The alternative is Rhand was just lying yesterday about it being LYLO. In which case one of the above might be town. I'm just going back to yesterday again when Shin told the truth about GJ's role. Not sure scum!Shin would do that? Can somebody sanity check that.
I'm super busy the next three days, but I'll try and re-read some ISOs I guess.
I haven't really seen anything today so far that changes my mind on a tom/shin/kj team.
LnG/Vaimes feels clearly town because of LnG's ability and their choices. Unless they're hardcore bussing for some reason, it feels like it has to be the above team.
I guess Winds? But I remember Hunger calc'ing that out.
Hm. Shin or Tom. Shin claimed role cop, but he also gets faction info? Plus, given the scum team KNOWS that we cant win, Shin has probably copped people.
Vaimes, X, I invite you to speculate with me on this side por while we mindlessly wait for the game to end.
Given the game doesn’t seem to mechanically be over, I’m assuming either Winds is still lying about his win con and/or the scum team/Rhand are bluffing about being able to win 100% through any set of night actions?
Dunno, it kinda feels we should probably take the scum claimed Rhand lynch and then allow scum/Winds to screw up. Unless the difference is literally whether Winds solo wins or scum do, in which case meh.
With Hunger's flip, I'm pretty sure KJ and Shin are scum. My stronger town reads in the pile are LnG and GJ (GJ's role probably isn't scum with Chris). Which means by PoE it's Rhand/tom for 5 scum total.
Only thing that makes me uncertain about GJ/tom is:
1) Why would scum!Shin truthfully tell us all about town!GJ being a jailer???
2) Doesn't feel like there should be 3 scum in Starks, so tom probably isn't one since he's probably the towniest out of the starks
@Vaimes - can you sanity check the above for me? @LnG - thoughts? Is it KJ/Shin/Rhand/GJ instead and Shin is lying to town-firm GJ?
I'm happy to try shooting someone if you'd all like. But there's not really any point in shooting Chris as that person unless you think he's lying about being bulletproof.
I'm not sure waiting around longer is going to get us much more information. Since it doesn't look like SirChris is popping back into the thread, might as well go ahead and vote.
Registering my intent to vote for Chris over Winds.
I'm not sure I understand the tinfoil world where Winds is scum with repeatable extra NK. In that world it feels like Chris/GJ would have to both be town (+some other protection role) and that doesn't make sense to me.
3. Sir Chris
5. Shinichi
6. Rhand
7. Hunger
11. Gentleman Johnny
17. Killjoy
It feels like there should be one in Chris/GJ (probably not w/w), so any one of Shin/Hunger/GJ/KJ to go with Chris I'd be happy with (assuming you are sticking with your anti-north win con thing @LnG and thus eliminating Rhand).
Not totally caught up since I ended up sleeping for 75% of this weekend, but time to full claim explicitly.
I’m Drogon, and I have a 50% day vig, that has a one successful shot. I also can’t kill Dany who Rod figured out was Hunger in N1 faction chat.
I didn’t claim the lack of another shot just in case scum were scared enough to shoot me but honestly I wasn’t that hopeful considering how inactive I was + possible mislynch being the counterwagon yesterday.
I kinda feel I need to totally re-evaluate my game reads. My lock town reads are like Cantrip and Vaimes.
Past that, I guess I think Tom and LnG are pretty town-y today. Tom is actively trying to solve and I think LnG tonally today reads as town + I liked their response to people who called them out on coasting after the D1 town read.
Mostly I’m just wondering about Shin. Kami/I were the two votes on Shin yesterday, but it never really went anywhere. Part of that was my shot sucking up the oxygen for discussion I guess but I’m pretty convinced based on the lack of traction that Shin is still scum because apart from RE it didn’t really feel like people started town reading Shin a lot, people were various hedges/not interested in lynching Shin D2.
It also makes me suspicious of GJ/Chris for similar reasons, it feels scum would have pushed harder if they were mislynches yesterday instead of then fizzling out around 3-4 votes and the final wagons ending up t/t.
Don’t really have a solid read on Hunger/KJ right now. I’ve seen some suspicion on KJ but that seems to be tom’s setup gaming mostly? Does anyone have a case on KJ that I’ve missed?
Rhand - I liked their start to d3 but stuff like his reaction to the kill d2 leaves him in my PoE.
I’ll respond to Wind’s post from early D3 when I get to a computer and keyboard.
I'm super busy the next three days, but I'll try and re-read some ISOs I guess.
LnG/Vaimes feels clearly town because of LnG's ability and their choices. Unless they're hardcore bussing for some reason, it feels like it has to be the above team.
I guess Winds? But I remember Hunger calc'ing that out.
Dracaris: Killjoy
I'll revenge you Dany! (I wish)
So it's tom/KJ/shin then? I'm pretty much willing to lose to Vaimes and LnG scum at this point.
Given the game doesn’t seem to mechanically be over, I’m assuming either Winds is still lying about his win con and/or the scum team/Rhand are bluffing about being able to win 100% through any set of night actions?
Dunno, it kinda feels we should probably take the scum claimed Rhand lynch and then allow scum/Winds to screw up. Unless the difference is literally whether Winds solo wins or scum do, in which case meh.
I would have proven it if someone didn't hammer yesterday
But sure, I'll do it again.
Dracaris: Killjoy
2. Vaimes
5. Shinichi
6. Rhand
10. LnGrrrR
11. Gentleman Johnny
17. Killjoy
18. Thousand_Winds
19. tomsloger
Vaimes is probably my most certain town read. Winds is TPR (3 shot extra scum NK is ???).
5. Shinichi
6. Rhand
10. LnGrrrR
11. Gentleman Johnny
17. Killjoy
19. tomsloger
So 4 out of these 6 are remaining scum.
With Hunger's flip, I'm pretty sure KJ and Shin are scum. My stronger town reads in the pile are LnG and GJ (GJ's role probably isn't scum with Chris). Which means by PoE it's Rhand/tom for 5 scum total.
Only thing that makes me uncertain about GJ/tom is:
1) Why would scum!Shin truthfully tell us all about town!GJ being a jailer???
2) Doesn't feel like there should be 3 scum in Starks, so tom probably isn't one since he's probably the towniest out of the starks
@Vaimes - can you sanity check the above for me? @LnG - thoughts? Is it KJ/Shin/Rhand/GJ instead and Shin is lying to town-firm GJ?
I'm not sure waiting around longer is going to get us much more information. Since it doesn't look like SirChris is popping back into the thread, might as well go ahead and vote.
I'm not sure I understand the tinfoil world where Winds is scum with repeatable extra NK. In that world it feels like Chris/GJ would have to both be town (+some other protection role) and that doesn't make sense to me.
3. Sir Chris
5. Shinichi
6. Rhand
7. Hunger
11. Gentleman Johnny
17. Killjoy
It feels like there should be one in Chris/GJ (probably not w/w), so any one of Shin/Hunger/GJ/KJ to go with Chris I'd be happy with (assuming you are sticking with your anti-north win con thing @LnG and thus eliminating Rhand).
I’m Drogon, and I have a 50% day vig, that has a one successful shot. I also can’t kill Dany who Rod figured out was Hunger in N1 faction chat.
I didn’t claim the lack of another shot just in case scum were scared enough to shoot me but honestly I wasn’t that hopeful considering how inactive I was + possible mislynch being the counterwagon yesterday.
I kinda feel I need to totally re-evaluate my game reads. My lock town reads are like Cantrip and Vaimes.
Past that, I guess I think Tom and LnG are pretty town-y today. Tom is actively trying to solve and I think LnG tonally today reads as town + I liked their response to people who called them out on coasting after the D1 town read.
Mostly I’m just wondering about Shin. Kami/I were the two votes on Shin yesterday, but it never really went anywhere. Part of that was my shot sucking up the oxygen for discussion I guess but I’m pretty convinced based on the lack of traction that Shin is still scum because apart from RE it didn’t really feel like people started town reading Shin a lot, people were various hedges/not interested in lynching Shin D2.
It also makes me suspicious of GJ/Chris for similar reasons, it feels scum would have pushed harder if they were mislynches yesterday instead of then fizzling out around 3-4 votes and the final wagons ending up t/t.
Don’t really have a solid read on Hunger/KJ right now. I’ve seen some suspicion on KJ but that seems to be tom’s setup gaming mostly? Does anyone have a case on KJ that I’ve missed?
Rhand - I liked their start to d3 but stuff like his reaction to the kill d2 leaves him in my PoE.
I’ll respond to Wind’s post from early D3 when I get to a computer and keyboard.
On my phone so can’t quote your specific thing easily. But I’m pretty sure Hunger has also claimed to have a throne unlock.
Will try and get something contentful out today or tomorrow anyway since we only have 1 week. Not sure how coherent I will be though.