I am getting into this deck after seeing all the recent builds / results on MTGO. Can anyone tell me what the 1-of Pact of Negation in people's boards is? You obviously can't pay for it. Is it seriously just to protect the kill on your turn? I just can't imagine when I would want this card. It seems about as good as an Apostle's Blessing. What deck am I actually bringing it in against?
I'll play devil's advocate just because I've had fun with the new system. I've been playing 8-mans and I like the changes. It's a lot easier to keep freerolling events with Play Points and I don't have to worry about where pack prices are going to go. If you keep freerolling events with PP, all your packs turn to profit. That profit is about the same as it was before the changes (which is not a ton of profit). It remains to be seen if we get grinders complaining that they have 10000 Play Points saved up, but WOTC can easily make some cool outlets for those people.
Booster prices rebounded so well that I wouldn't be surprised if we see more packs given out in DEs soon. Hopefully they fix something to make DEs more attractive again.
Sirgog I think you nailed it in your OP. I think this is kind of the final nail in the coffin for constructed grinders.
The only reason I'm not that angry about these changes is that the EV was so poor on constructed events, that I wasn't willing to play in them. You won't be able to make money in MTGO queues anymore, but I doubt you made any money grinding MTGO in the past few months anyway. You could have done better panhandling in the street. People basically play in 8-mans and Dailies for entertainment, not for value--and play points seem to cement that that's how it's supposed to be.
This is also why I don't think it's cut-and-dry to say that there will be a systemic crash in card values. People said the exact same thing when MTGO switched over to V4 last year, but MTGO is still here. I'm not really alarmed just because a handful of people are selling their collections to the bot chains.
We'll have to wait a few months to see the real effect on MTGO. I hope there's a big enough drop in constructed play that they see the error of their ways. They could easily skew the prize payouts back towards boosters instead of paying out primarily in play points. I wish they had just kept the old prize payouts and made play points the icing on the cake or something. That would have been nice and would have promoted some goodwill towards MTGO. This is just..egh
It's ridiculous to look at a piece of art and say it's not "full art". What does that even mean? I can put the full art border over anything and call it full art. Just chill out and wait for the set.
Trying out the MOCs list right now and having a lot of trouble. I don't have a ton of experience with Storm but it felt like Pyro-Ascension was one of the ways that the deck got easy wins. Without it, it's a lot more difficult to know when to go off. Beating countermagic is also pretty annoying without it.
I imagine that the idea with the Anglers in the SB is that you can board it in against Grixis and they board out all their Terminates. I tried it against a Grixis player and played a t2 or t3 angler. But it mostly just stalled the board against his own Delve creatures, wasn't insane or anything.
I was just thinking.. isn't Ancient Stirrings turning into kind of a problem card? This is just a 1-mana cantrip in green instead of blue. Its power level seems comparable to Preordain, at least in the decks that it's in (Amulet/Tron).
Anyone have answers for the new Collected Company Elves deck? I'm playing a BW build with Lingering Souls. I find that I'm too slow out of the gate and that even with the lifegain from the Soul Sisters, I end up taking 40+ trample on a big Ezuri turn.
What options do I have in BW? I was thinking Ghostly Prison or Pithing Needle naming Ezuri, but neither seem great.
8-mans, 2-mans and Daily Events are all having prize structure changed to pay out in MMA2015.
2-man queues are being raised to 4-ticket entry.
What do people think of the EV? I think the 8-mans actually look better than the Dailies. Dailies pay out only two packs for a 3-1 finish. 8-mans pay out a pack per win. From eyeballing it, it looks like there's some value in the 8-mans (I haven't done any math at all).
From a competitive standpoint I think this card is overpriced and overrated. Sees very little play and doesn't really hose any of the strategies it's brought in against. Ex: People bring it in against Tron & Scapeshift but Mindcensor comes too late and is too easy to kill.
So I wouldn't buy in on this card just to take advantage of a potential price increase (it would be mostly hype rather than actual demand IMO)
Wilt-Leaf Liege is a very interesting card to find in MM2015.
It just recently became a player in modern. So this set seems to have been put together not long ago?
I think it's more of a coincidence than anything. This set would have been created way before the Pro Tour, so in reality it's probably just in there because they decided to have a hybrid mana theme in the set. Also, it was never a super cheap card, I'm sure it as at least $10-$15 at the time they added it into the set.
Booster prices rebounded so well that I wouldn't be surprised if we see more packs given out in DEs soon. Hopefully they fix something to make DEs more attractive again.
The only reason I'm not that angry about these changes is that the EV was so poor on constructed events, that I wasn't willing to play in them. You won't be able to make money in MTGO queues anymore, but I doubt you made any money grinding MTGO in the past few months anyway. You could have done better panhandling in the street. People basically play in 8-mans and Dailies for entertainment, not for value--and play points seem to cement that that's how it's supposed to be.
This is also why I don't think it's cut-and-dry to say that there will be a systemic crash in card values. People said the exact same thing when MTGO switched over to V4 last year, but MTGO is still here. I'm not really alarmed just because a handful of people are selling their collections to the bot chains.
We'll have to wait a few months to see the real effect on MTGO. I hope there's a big enough drop in constructed play that they see the error of their ways. They could easily skew the prize payouts back towards boosters instead of paying out primarily in play points. I wish they had just kept the old prize payouts and made play points the icing on the cake or something. That would have been nice and would have promoted some goodwill towards MTGO. This is just..egh
I imagine that the idea with the Anglers in the SB is that you can board it in against Grixis and they board out all their Terminates. I tried it against a Grixis player and played a t2 or t3 angler. But it mostly just stalled the board against his own Delve creatures, wasn't insane or anything.
What options do I have in BW? I was thinking Ghostly Prison or Pithing Needle naming Ezuri, but neither seem great.
8-mans, 2-mans and Daily Events are all having prize structure changed to pay out in MMA2015.
2-man queues are being raised to 4-ticket entry.
What do people think of the EV? I think the 8-mans actually look better than the Dailies. Dailies pay out only two packs for a 3-1 finish. 8-mans pay out a pack per win. From eyeballing it, it looks like there's some value in the 8-mans (I haven't done any math at all).
What do people think of this?
So I wouldn't buy in on this card just to take advantage of a potential price increase (it would be mostly hype rather than actual demand IMO)
I think it's more of a coincidence than anything. This set would have been created way before the Pro Tour, so in reality it's probably just in there because they decided to have a hybrid mana theme in the set. Also, it was never a super cheap card, I'm sure it as at least $10-$15 at the time they added it into the set.