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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from Jonny_Tempel »
    And i don't have a problem with Titan and Phoenix being around because both decks can be attacked quite well by fair decks like GDS or Golgari Rock.


    Titan is a very tough matchup for the Rock, so that's simply not true.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    Quote from login »
    Anyway, I doubt we see changes unless Phoenix makes like 4 out of the top 8 of MC London.

    Surely they will print some answers on Horizons.





    Bold assumption there, considering Horizons has been in the works since long before Phoenix's reign.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from idSurge »
    So, some questions from before the lock on the last page right after the weekend fireworks.

    1.

    @ktk: I tried to find you on Twitter, but I suck at searching. Has any deck, in a global sense, had such a weekend as this outside of Eldrazi (aka the most broken this format has ever been)? I struggle to think of any, that over a 'global' weekend in Europe, a GP in the US, AND SCG (which we know plays by a slightly different meta) all had the same trending pattern.


    2.

    Quote from MrTzoulis »
    Phoenix's numbers shouldn't be that high, because it's not THAT good. It's not 20% good, it's 10% good. Dredge and other similar strategies keep its natural predators down, and I'm talking from much experience.


    This was from a different thread, and it really needs to be understood because its 100% accurate. I've said since Phoenix became a thing, that it can be suppressed by 'fair' decks, specifically things like Rock/BGx, the issue is those decks lose to the rest of Modern! I mean I dont follow the Rock discussion, but does it beat Storm, Tron? Hollow Bois? Dredge? Terminus? Heck if I know.



    The Rock was the only undefeated deck going into the top 8, I believe, at SCG Philly a few days ago. It would have taken the whole event down if not for a misplay against Phoenix in the finals. Yes, it can beat all those decks in the hands of a skilled pilot as Orr clearly demonstrated (pretty sure he even beat Amulet 2-0), so saying it loses to 'the rest of Modern' is simply not true.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The Rock
    Quote from FuneralofGod »
    Any thoughts on this particular list? Seems like the same player has seen success with a jund variant as well. Spawn of Mayhem is certainly interesting


    Should probably be in the Abzan thread as it's an Abzan Traverse deck. Certainly interesting I'll admit, but not worth cutting Kalitas for right now.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from Be_lakor »
    From the Ashes could even be used in a jank Valakut list with either Boros Charm or Heroic Intervention


    Wha.. why?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The Rock
    Quote from charlieguide »
    Quote from whocansay »
    Wonderful showing for The Rock in Philly yesterday. I think he would have taken the whole thing down if he had just sacrificed the zombie to Kalitas in game 2 and swung for 7 to put him out of double-bolt range. Your thoughts?

    Where can we watch? I don't see it in Google or Twitch search results.


    https://www.twitch.tv/scgtour
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from Stille_Nacht »
    Also, dredge would 1000% play ichorid. The list would just look a bit different. (Think closer to bridgevine, but now it can also grind you out and is faster)


    I wanted to make sure I didn't look like an ass with my comment so I asked Sodeq considering he's probably the world's leading Dredge expert at this point. He said he doesn't see any lines with Ichorid in Modern Dredge but also echoed your sentiment that it's a very powerful engine with Bridge. At that point though, is it really Dredge still?
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from Godrik1374 »

    I agree with your statement. Grixis vs Phoenix is usually pretty close. But I think it's right to chose the draw in this matchup.
    The deck is clearly more concistent with more cards in hand.. :p Also, choosing the draw give you more chance to draw your surgical and push.


    Of course, but this is old news for any serious GDS players. Ben Jones has been advocating for taking the draw in the mirror and other grindy matchups for a while now and it's clearly correct as any tempo advantage is negligible versus the long-term card advantage in the inevitable grind that ensues when these decks face off.

    Either way, yes, this is one thing a pilot of one of the most powerful decks in the format can do to increase his chances. Good luck beating Phoenix if you're on a tier 2 deck though.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from Godrik1374 »
    Phoenix needs a critical mass of cards in hand to function.


    Not really though. They can Opt into Opt into Gut Shot with an otherwise empty hand and a mere two lands in play and put anywhere between 3 to 12 power on the board just like that. This is the consistency issue. GDS won out here as it, too, has nut draws and is probably the number one deck in the format when it comes to raw power, but it could just as easily have gone the other way. I didn't watch the game, but my ten bucks says it was close.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The Rock
    Wonderful showing for The Rock in Philly yesterday. I think he would have taken the whole thing down if he had just sacrificed the zombie to Kalitas in game 2 and swung for 7 to put him out of double-bolt range. Your thoughts?
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    It's certainly beatable on paper, but it's also extremely consistent, as was clearly demonstrated yesterday when the Rock player (whose 75 was very geared towards defeating it) couldn't do a thing despite his t1 Spellbomb. There just aren't many decks out there right now that can jam two game plans at the same time so consistently. You focus on the wall, you get hit for 6 in the air every turn and burned out. You focus on the graveyard, all your creatures get bounced and you get hit for 7 and burned out.

    It can be beaten, but just try beating it.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    And there we have it, again. Phoenix wins Philly.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Oh great, more Twin comparisons. Like Drowsy said, KCI wasn't banned to increase metagame diversity.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Day 2 metagame breakdown of GP Bilbao - 22.2% Phoenix. Second most played deck: Humans at 7.6%. Ew.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from SCP7 »
    Do we really need more free threats from the graveyard?


    That wasn't his question though, was it?

    I doubt they'd play it, it's probably a bit too conditional. You don't want to exile Amalgam for it, generally, and Bloodghast is only 1 point of power smaller while being easy enough to trigger. Stinkweed Imp and Golgari Thug are options but they are pretty big engine enablers.
    Posted in: Modern
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