I would assume a person capable of reading would be able to figure out that proliferate does not in general double anything by applying the mentioned ability to read to the reminder text on the already spoiled card or to the dozens of posts correcting other users regarding their delusion that proliferate doubles the number of counters.
Very interesting... Can you please explain how the following comment reflect what you are saying:
Not exactly. WotC R&D looked at Doubling Season and decided it would be ridiculously overpowered in this set/block. Therefore, they created a mechanic that would double the number of counters, but [bold]only in a very specific situation[/bold], namely [bold]one counter of one type present on a given card at a given moment.[/bold]
I don't understand why you went off on this guy for reading comprehension. He only stated that it doubles counters "in a very specific situation, namely one counter of one type present on a given card at a given moment". So, what the hell is wrong with you?
I have 12 FoW's, 20+ original duals, and 12 Wastelands, and I am pissed about this announcement. I care far more about the health of my favorite format, Legacy, than I do about the cards that I have invested in.
Then how about giving out the cards you are not using to people who are complaining that the price is keeping them from playing the format?
I'm not talking about my self, how about that Greek dude, but if you think reprinting would be a good idea, how about doing so your self? As limited as that impact might be....
I would contest that my favorite art (the Tempest Counterspell) is just as rare with or without the 6th, 7th, Masques, or Duel Decks prints.
But the card counterspell is not as rare, which makes even your favorite art one less rare. The art does not loose rarity, but the card it self does. All versions will lose rarity, because there are people who do not care which set the card came from and those people no longer being interested, makes the demand for even your favorite art lower. With demand for your favorite art being lower, the supply becomes greater, thus rarity being lost.
Also, I'm not sure if promising to reprint something (Blaze of Glory) or not (Counterspell) and then reprinting them should affect the integrity of the original somehow.
It affects the integrity of the company who originally made the promise. Far worse then integrity of a card.
The key to making everyone happy, is MTG figuring out how to have functional identical cards from the reserved list printed, while not degenerating formats that would be hit with twice as many power cards. Can the restricted list handle a rule such as "'Mox Pearl' can not be played in the same deck as 'neo Mox Pearl'"?
Exactly my point? Squire was reprinted in 2006 as a Timeshifted card. A collector's complete set of Tempest will not become "less rare" if they reprinted cards from Tempest in a new set, in foil, in a collector's edition, etc.
A collection of Tempest that do not include Squire became less rare. Squire him self became less rare. If squire had any sort of collectible value or had any sort of difficulty in obtaining, it would have been a far greater impact. If MTG promised to never reprint Squire, prior to reprinting him in Timeshifted, it would also be a different story.
My fear, however small, is that something akin to what happened to the comic book industry will happen to MtG on whatever scale. In that it is to my understanding that comic books had a big boom in the 80s, 90s area where people wanted to collect, but realized those collections weren't worth anything because everyone had them
What happened with comics is the market became flooded. People saw their old, limited print run comics rise in value. So, people started buying comics as an investment. The prices would fluctuate greatly, with some people making money on them as investments. The problem came up about 10-15 years after this began. People realized that unlike the old comics that were high in value, there were almost limitless supplies of comics from when the boom began. The reaction of the comic book industry was printing limited covers, which would appear 1 in 20 comics. This made things even worse as retailers would over buy issues in attempts to get as many limited issues as they could. As you can imagine, a lot of comic went unsold and many store owners went belly up due to over purchasing occurring at the same time as people started bailing. Peoples collections became worthless as people left the industry and their collection prices fell under the realization that the supply was far greater then the demand.
and the industry suffered because demand dropped sharply.
Yep, but they could have suffered less damage if they didn't saturate the market with different commics and over ordering of retailers. When the comic book boon began, we had 2-3 monthlyee X-Men comics. Currently, Xmen is pretty much it's own imprint with around 10 monthly comics.
Beany babies are actually a cyclical trend, see Furbies and Cabbage Padge kids. The collectors grow out of their collections.
Wouldn't a The Dark Squire be just as rare after 2007 as it was before 2005?
No, it gets rarer as time goes by. Things get lost, damaged and secured in collections. As time goes by, if a collectible is not reprinted, it gets rarer.
People who keep action figures in their boxes are not collecting, but investing.
That's not true at all. Check any major collectors and you will find people with items in their original packaging and no intent to sell. I keep the comics, video games, books and music I collect in it's original packaging and have no intent to sell any of it. I have only sold a single comic in 15 years of collecting, and actually regret doing so.
It's frustrating when you spend months seeking out a collectible and then get a great deal for it, just for it to become rendered meaningless due to a reissue. This is with collectibles, unlike MTG, that do not have a policy in place declaring that these collectibles will not be reissued. If a card mtg promised to not reissue, actually do get reissued, it would be far more then just frustrating.
But, that's the thing about collections. The quality of your collection depends on the items being status symbols. It's not about reselling, but being the only one who was able to put in the work to obtain it. If I didn't care about the status or the quality of my collection, I would be an enthusiast. An enthusiast can also be a collector, but they do not abide by the same values a collector would. An enthusiast will open and play with his Steve Austin figure, because that's where the value lies. The collector would be much happier to have Steve Austin figure in it's original packagaing, because it's rarity is the value to a collector. Remember, the most thought after collection pieces are not so because of their price, but because of how hard it is to obtain them.
Now, this is considerably different then an investor. Because unlike an investor, a collector never intends to sell their collection. So if a reissue accurse, an investor should be aware of it and cash out as soon as possible. The collector on the other hand, has no recource but to see the rarity of it's collactable loose all value. That's the big difference between collectors an investors. Investors feed off collectors, because the collectors make the suply more limited with each purchase, thus increasing the price due to lowered supply. Investors sell to collectors, whom pay a premium for the most 'mint' version of the product. If collectors didn't care about packaging being opened, they would not sell for a premium.
I collect figures and statues, old vinyl, as well as cards, but I collect i don't invest in them.
Because you are an enthusiast, you collect to play with. I am a collector who does not play with his collection as you do. Your value, or investment, is the ability to play with these collectibles, which makes you an enthusiast. The value of my collection, lies in the rarity and the quality of my collectibles. Not because I want to sell them, but because I get as much joy from hunting down the rarest of the rare, as you do in playing with it. This is completely destroyed if I could have waited a few months and not wasted my time and payed a premium.
I want to have them, not prevent anybody else to have them as well...
Same here, I do not care if you have "it". But, can you imagine the bitterness when the maker of the collectibles changes their mind on a promise that these collectibles will hold the same rarity?
Oh, just because I was willing to do more then you did to obtain a card on the reserved list, does not make me privileged. Feel free to perhaps pick up another job, get a better education or make changes to your life that would let you obtain these cards. because I can assure you, that me obtaining my collection was not a result of being privileged, but a lot of hard work.
Eldrazi Monument increases his clock by a turn, if opponent is at 20, and acts as his removal. It's also fits the mana curve with Persecutor turn 4 and Monument on 5. I'm thinking a bG Rock variant with Monument.
1RR for ping 2 to 1 target 2RR for ping 3 to 1 target 2RR for ping 1 to 2 targets 3RR for ping 4 to 1 target 3RR for ping 1 to 2 targets 3RR for ping 0 to 3 targets
Huh? I kinda remember killing with a huge Stroke of Genius. I don't remember attacking or fireballing anyone. . . ? But that was 10 years ago, maybe you're confusing High Tide with Pros-bloom (which was also awesome)
I'm thinking if this is a heavy vampire block, Sorin has to be the guy responsible for the Sengir. So I am thinking something like:
Sorn, Sengir Patriarch :2mana::symb::symb::symb:
Planeswalker - Sorin
Loyalty = 4
+2 - Target creature becomes black and vampire.
-3 - Return target creature in a graveyard to play under your control, it becomes vampire, gain flying, and whenever a creature dealt damage by this creature, this turn is put into a graveyard, it gains +1/+1.
-6 - Gain control of all vampires.
They're flavor-cleaning the Core Sets to go back to high fantasy, so would they really want a reference to the christian God in there?
*** is not a reference to the Christian god. Unless flavor text ties it directly to it, wrath of god can be any god. The wrath of a planeswalker who the natives infer as a god, works perfectly fine and has no real word reference.
On the other hand, the word Armogedon would not exist if it were not for mount Megiddo and should not be included if they are trying to remove real world referances.
That kinda takes the impact of you listing how many you own completely away.
Then how about giving out the cards you are not using to people who are complaining that the price is keeping them from playing the format?
I'm not talking about my self, how about that Greek dude, but if you think reprinting would be a good idea, how about doing so your self? As limited as that impact might be....
But the card counterspell is not as rare, which makes even your favorite art one less rare. The art does not loose rarity, but the card it self does. All versions will lose rarity, because there are people who do not care which set the card came from and those people no longer being interested, makes the demand for even your favorite art lower. With demand for your favorite art being lower, the supply becomes greater, thus rarity being lost.
It affects the integrity of the company who originally made the promise. Far worse then integrity of a card.
A collection of Tempest that do not include Squire became less rare. Squire him self became less rare. If squire had any sort of collectible value or had any sort of difficulty in obtaining, it would have been a far greater impact. If MTG promised to never reprint Squire, prior to reprinting him in Timeshifted, it would also be a different story.
What happened with comics is the market became flooded. People saw their old, limited print run comics rise in value. So, people started buying comics as an investment. The prices would fluctuate greatly, with some people making money on them as investments. The problem came up about 10-15 years after this began. People realized that unlike the old comics that were high in value, there were almost limitless supplies of comics from when the boom began. The reaction of the comic book industry was printing limited covers, which would appear 1 in 20 comics. This made things even worse as retailers would over buy issues in attempts to get as many limited issues as they could. As you can imagine, a lot of comic went unsold and many store owners went belly up due to over purchasing occurring at the same time as people started bailing. Peoples collections became worthless as people left the industry and their collection prices fell under the realization that the supply was far greater then the demand.
Yep, but they could have suffered less damage if they didn't saturate the market with different commics and over ordering of retailers. When the comic book boon began, we had 2-3 monthlyee X-Men comics. Currently, Xmen is pretty much it's own imprint with around 10 monthly comics.
Beany babies are actually a cyclical trend, see Furbies and Cabbage Padge kids. The collectors grow out of their collections.
No, it gets rarer as time goes by. Things get lost, damaged and secured in collections. As time goes by, if a collectible is not reprinted, it gets rarer.
That's not true at all. Check any major collectors and you will find people with items in their original packaging and no intent to sell. I keep the comics, video games, books and music I collect in it's original packaging and have no intent to sell any of it. I have only sold a single comic in 15 years of collecting, and actually regret doing so.
It's frustrating when you spend months seeking out a collectible and then get a great deal for it, just for it to become rendered meaningless due to a reissue. This is with collectibles, unlike MTG, that do not have a policy in place declaring that these collectibles will not be reissued. If a card mtg promised to not reissue, actually do get reissued, it would be far more then just frustrating.
But, that's the thing about collections. The quality of your collection depends on the items being status symbols. It's not about reselling, but being the only one who was able to put in the work to obtain it. If I didn't care about the status or the quality of my collection, I would be an enthusiast. An enthusiast can also be a collector, but they do not abide by the same values a collector would. An enthusiast will open and play with his Steve Austin figure, because that's where the value lies. The collector would be much happier to have Steve Austin figure in it's original packagaing, because it's rarity is the value to a collector. Remember, the most thought after collection pieces are not so because of their price, but because of how hard it is to obtain them.
Now, this is considerably different then an investor. Because unlike an investor, a collector never intends to sell their collection. So if a reissue accurse, an investor should be aware of it and cash out as soon as possible. The collector on the other hand, has no recource but to see the rarity of it's collactable loose all value. That's the big difference between collectors an investors. Investors feed off collectors, because the collectors make the suply more limited with each purchase, thus increasing the price due to lowered supply. Investors sell to collectors, whom pay a premium for the most 'mint' version of the product. If collectors didn't care about packaging being opened, they would not sell for a premium.
Because you are an enthusiast, you collect to play with. I am a collector who does not play with his collection as you do. Your value, or investment, is the ability to play with these collectibles, which makes you an enthusiast. The value of my collection, lies in the rarity and the quality of my collectibles. Not because I want to sell them, but because I get as much joy from hunting down the rarest of the rare, as you do in playing with it. This is completely destroyed if I could have waited a few months and not wasted my time and payed a premium.
Same here, I do not care if you have "it". But, can you imagine the bitterness when the maker of the collectibles changes their mind on a promise that these collectibles will hold the same rarity?
Oh, just because I was willing to do more then you did to obtain a card on the reserved list, does not make me privileged. Feel free to perhaps pick up another job, get a better education or make changes to your life that would let you obtain these cards. because I can assure you, that me obtaining my collection was not a result of being privileged, but a lot of hard work.
Fireball:
1RR for ping 2 to 1 target
2RR for ping 3 to 1 target
2RR for ping 1 to 2 targets
3RR for ping 4 to 1 target
3RR for ping 1 to 2 targets
3RR for ping 0 to 3 targets
Owling Mine he is talking about used Ebony Owl Netsuke and Sudden Impact.
Full list can be found here:
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/standard/11536_The_Complete_Owling_Mine_Player8217s_Guide.html
Sorn, Sengir Patriarch :2mana::symb::symb::symb:
Planeswalker - Sorin
Loyalty = 4
+2 - Target creature becomes black and vampire.
-3 - Return target creature in a graveyard to play under your control, it becomes vampire, gain flying, and whenever a creature dealt damage by this creature, this turn is put into a graveyard, it gains +1/+1.
-6 - Gain control of all vampires.
Legendary land
~ comes into play tapped.
When ~ comes into play sac a land.
Tap: Sac ~ add 5 mana of any one color.
edit: Changed 4 to a 5, as that seems to be the number, based on the two replies.
*** is not a reference to the Christian god. Unless flavor text ties it directly to it, wrath of god can be any god. The wrath of a planeswalker who the natives infer as a god, works perfectly fine and has no real word reference.
On the other hand, the word Armogedon would not exist if it were not for mount Megiddo and should not be included if they are trying to remove real world referances.