It's fairly basic but seems to do alright. I would really like to change one Supreme Will for Commit // Memory or Consign // Oblivion. Largely though, The Scarab God is a boss.
Seems good. I do have some questions though.
No wipes? With both lili (recommend trying 2 btw) and illumination, have you thought of yahenni's?
Why 4 hulks? Maybe got one of those for sorin? I did that and haven't looked back.
No Pull? Too slow in the meta?
Very curious on your board too. Are you running authority? If not, why? Assuming tendrils and at least 1 fumigate? Anything for control?
My meta seems to be either control or balls to the wall aggro.
@jon, I like 1-2 Scarab, 1 sorin and 2 lili. Will probs be moving jace/ob to the board, just gotta figure out how haha.
What are thoughts regarding Battle at the Bridge as a sideboard card against Red? Deals with Hazoret nicely, gains us life...
I can see where you're coming from, but we do have 4 grasp and the 4cmc anti god exile (bontus reckoning?). I personally feel ub has an ok matchup. Only times I've lost to red is when I don't draw removal or have no black mana (granted, small sample size my end - like 5 matches, most to g3). This was without Authority (1/4 lifelink blocker instead - can't remember his name..)
Chaos, what's your list looking like?
It's also looking like I have to do a major rebuild too...my amonkhet cards tracking is finally getting updated and they are like 1-2 days away.
It was ok with 2 summonings over the ob and Scarab. It's a theory list I'm hoping to test tonight. I think the curve is too high. Could see ob and jace moving to the board but unsure on replacements and what I'd cut.
@Jon Are you comfortable running 3 Push on an aggro meta? Will the 4th be coming in when/if you drop Bontu's?
Also, is Pummeller a deck in your area? With your proposed changes, how do you deal with a resolved Hydra, without having to 2 for 1 yourself.
@all I'll be putting up my revised list soonish (tomorrow probs) after being able to get a hold of 1 Scarab God, 4 Will and 4 Doomfall.
EDIT: @Triple What's you manabase like? How many W sources are you running? Are you UBw or UBW? I'm trying to fit 3 Authority into my sb, but I'm UBw and don't want to distort the mana horribly.
Is anyone that is playing esper running authority? Why/why not?
I personally think it's decent atm, but I'm running UBw and not sure I can stretch the mana to consistently be able to drop it T1/2.
EDIT: also Approach.
I'm looking at something of a wincon suite between mb and sb of: 1 sorin, 1 jace, 1 ob, 2/3 lili, 3 hulk, 1/2 scarab and maybe 1 approach. With 2/3 kalitas in sb. Too many wincons (I personally don't see hulk as a proper wincon)?
R1 vs RDW
I got easily 2-0 and he is a newer player. Didn't draw removal and had too many tap lands.
R2 vs Grixis Control
Interesting build. Only game he got was with a Chandra hot, drew no outs.
R3 vs RB Control
Non blue control dies to blue control. Easy 2-0
Here the computer crashed and couldn't pair us, so we did pairings by hand.
R4 vs RDW
A different player and he was 3-0. Better than the other guy. I 2-0 him easily due to his draws and my draws. We played 1 more for fun and both drew well and I smashed him again.
Due to the computer crashing we did results by hand. I won on match win% by 1 game, we played the same people. Due to the computer crashing though, the owner wanted myself and my r4 opp (both 3-1) to play it out. I lost that 2-1 due to mana issues (No black g1 drawing all the grasps and my g3 keep was risky (swamp, estuary, 3 glimmer, push and slaughter - saw I more land and drew glimmer, kalitas, hulk, etc), and he mulled to 5 and drew like a god).
I got a Scarab God and Stifle Bird from my packs.
Edit: took esper list above, minus baral plus fumigate.
EDIT2: A bit late, but just found this list in Ali Altrazi's latest article
That's on my radar. I'll have to see what's available to borrow/trade from people. The only store I've found is a small hobby shop that doesn't sell singles haha.
I wish I could play Will and Pull. I'll cut Baral and maybe a Kalitas. Just unsure what draw I could add. Any suggestions (No Hour or Amonkhet access)?
Also debating Sultai, gives me Pulse and Catacomb Sifter (which I have as a good meta read atm, esp vs red).
How would you suggest? I mean ideally I'd have Scatters, Pulls, etc in there but I don't have access.
I'd love more draw, but not sure what to use. I'm probably missing something but I'm running the set of glimmer and have been advised against take inventory.
EDIT: Sorry for all the 'please help me build' stuff. Been basically out of the game since 2 weeks before Amonkhet release (moving countries, etc). And only found out I could play in this games day event like 24 hours ago. This is what I had built for back then. And the event starts in like 6.5 hours and haven't slept yet... assume I have x4 of everything control related pre amonkhet, with my only card from amonkhet and hour being 1 kefnet.
This is what I'm planning to take to games day. Unfortunately due to shipping issues the only Amonkhet or Hour card I have access to is 1 Kefnet. The meta is completely unknown, but I am expecting a lot of brews and maybe 1 RDW.
I think it would do ok, but you'll need some yahennis expertise and essence scatters imo. Confirm and lost legacy are probably more sb cards due to the meta and it's speed. I wouldn't play legacy mb unless ramp is like 70% of the meta anyway. Probably worth some of the 3 cmc black helix (can't remember the name) and kalitas too
I'm honestly debating going to ub summonings list, Just due to how fast it can turn the corner. Also my amonkhet cards still haven't arrived...and have played only 1 hou draft due to moving, etc.
Seems good. I do have some questions though.
No wipes? With both lili (recommend trying 2 btw) and illumination, have you thought of yahenni's?
Why 4 hulks? Maybe got one of those for sorin? I did that and haven't looked back.
No Pull? Too slow in the meta?
Very curious on your board too. Are you running authority? If not, why? Assuming tendrils and at least 1 fumigate? Anything for control?
My meta seems to be either control or balls to the wall aggro.
@jon, I like 1-2 Scarab, 1 sorin and 2 lili. Will probs be moving jace/ob to the board, just gotta figure out how haha.
I can see where you're coming from, but we do have 4 grasp and the 4cmc anti god exile (bontus reckoning?). I personally feel ub has an ok matchup. Only times I've lost to red is when I don't draw removal or have no black mana (granted, small sample size my end - like 5 matches, most to g3). This was without Authority (1/4 lifelink blocker instead - can't remember his name..)
Chaos, what's your list looking like?
It's also looking like I have to do a major rebuild too...my amonkhet cards tracking is finally getting updated and they are like 1-2 days away.
EDIT: hour of glory, not bontus something.
EDIT: Here is my updated list. A bit heavy on 3 drops I think though.
4 fatal push
4 grasp of darkness
1 murder
3 disallow
1 anguished unmaking
4 supreme will
4 glimmer of genius
1 confirm suspicions
Sorceries (3)
1 flaying tendrils
2 yahenni's expertise
Wincons (6 + hulks)
2 liliana, the last hope
1 jace, unraveler of secrets
1 ob nixilis reignited
1 the Scarab God
3 torrential gearhulk
1 sorin, grim nemesis
3 swamp
3 island
2 plains
3 shambling vent
3 prairie stream
4 choked estuary
4 sunken hollow
2 submerged boneyard
2 aether hub
3 Authority of the consuls
1 blessed alliance
2 negate
1 anguished unmaking
2 downfall
1 flaying tendrils
1 kefnet the mindful
1 murder
2 kalitas, traitor of they
1 fumigate
Thoughts?
Also, is Pummeller a deck in your area? With your proposed changes, how do you deal with a resolved Hydra, without having to 2 for 1 yourself.
@all I'll be putting up my revised list soonish (tomorrow probs) after being able to get a hold of 1 Scarab God, 4 Will and 4 Doomfall.
EDIT: @Triple What's you manabase like? How many W sources are you running? Are you UBw or UBW? I'm trying to fit 3 Authority into my sb, but I'm UBw and don't want to distort the mana horribly.
I personally think it's decent atm, but I'm running UBw and not sure I can stretch the mana to consistently be able to drop it T1/2.
EDIT: also Approach.
I'm looking at something of a wincon suite between mb and sb of: 1 sorin, 1 jace, 1 ob, 2/3 lili, 3 hulk, 1/2 scarab and maybe 1 approach. With 2/3 kalitas in sb. Too many wincons (I personally don't see hulk as a proper wincon)?
R1 vs RDW
I got easily 2-0 and he is a newer player. Didn't draw removal and had too many tap lands.
R2 vs Grixis Control
Interesting build. Only game he got was with a Chandra hot, drew no outs.
R3 vs RB Control
Non blue control dies to blue control. Easy 2-0
Here the computer crashed and couldn't pair us, so we did pairings by hand.
R4 vs RDW
A different player and he was 3-0. Better than the other guy. I 2-0 him easily due to his draws and my draws. We played 1 more for fun and both drew well and I smashed him again.
Due to the computer crashing we did results by hand. I won on match win% by 1 game, we played the same people. Due to the computer crashing though, the owner wanted myself and my r4 opp (both 3-1) to play it out. I lost that 2-1 due to mana issues (No black g1 drawing all the grasps and my g3 keep was risky (swamp, estuary, 3 glimmer, push and slaughter - saw I more land and drew glimmer, kalitas, hulk, etc), and he mulled to 5 and drew like a god).
I got a Scarab God and Stifle Bird from my packs.
Edit: took esper list above, minus baral plus fumigate.
EDIT2: A bit late, but just found this list in Ali Altrazi's latest article
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 The Scarab God
4 Torrential Gearhulk
Instants (26)
2 Negate
3 Censor
3 Disallow
3 Essence Scatter
3 Grasp of Darkness
4 Fatal Push
4 Glimmer of Genius
4 Supreme Will
1 Bontu's Last Reckoning
Lands (26)
5 Swamp
6 Island
3 Fetid Pools
4 Aether Hub
4 Choked Estuary
4 Sunken Hollow
1 Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
2 Negate
1 Dispel
1 Fathom Feeder
3 Flaying Tendrils
4 Gifted Aetherborn
1 Kefnet the Mindful
1 Sphinx of the Final Word
1 Summary Dismissal
U/B Control — Hour of Devastation Standard| Huanchengjin, 11th place Online PTQ 7/29/2017
Also debating Sultai, gives me Pulse and Catacomb Sifter (which I have as a good meta read atm, esp vs red).
I'd love more draw, but not sure what to use. I'm probably missing something but I'm running the set of glimmer and have been advised against take inventory.
EDIT: Sorry for all the 'please help me build' stuff. Been basically out of the game since 2 weeks before Amonkhet release (moving countries, etc). And only found out I could play in this games day event like 24 hours ago. This is what I had built for back then. And the event starts in like 6.5 hours and haven't slept yet... assume I have x4 of everything control related pre amonkhet, with my only card from amonkhet and hour being 1 kefnet.
What about Legacy? Just for the brews and possible ramp decks.
I have no access to Cast Out, but have 2 Unmaking in there (1 mb, 1 sb).
EDIT: This is the other list I'm debating
4 grasp of darkness
3 negate
4 disallow
2 liliana
1 anguished unmaking
1 flaying tendrils
1 murder
4 glimmer
2 yahenni's
2 summonings
1 jace
1 confirm
1 sorin
3 gearhulk
2 plains
3 island
3 swamp
3 vent
3 prairie stream
2 hub
4 hollow
4 estuary
2 boneyard
1 baral
1 blessed alliance
3 kingpin
1 negate
1 tendrils
1 anguished
1 kefnet
1 murder
1 slaughter
3 kalitas
1 ob nix
Which would have a better chance? Looking at 1 fumigate and 2 legacy into the board on this too, but unsure where.
4 grasp of darkness
2 negate
2 liliana, the last hope
1 murder
4 disallow
2 yahenni's expertise
4 glimmer of genius
1 jace, unraveler of secrets
1 confirm suspicions
3 metallurgical summonings
3 torrential gearhulk
2 submerged boneyard
4 sunken hollow
4 choked estuary
1 blighted Feb
1 blighted cataract
2 aether hub
6 swamp
6 island
3 contraband kingpin
1 negate
2 flaying tendrils
1 kefnet
1 murder
2 lost legacy
1 to the slaughter
3 kalitas
1 ob nixilis
I have 3 spots in the main. I am debating take inventory, but only have 3 spots and it seems pointless to run 3. Are there any suggestions?