MTG Salvation

Sorry for the mild heart attack, Axel.

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I have an idea for a somewhat simple Micro that I think has potential. Looking for reviewers/co-designers.

wait, we're supposed to get these reviewed?

APPROVED

...just kidding.

"Remember. Turn the right corner in Spin City, and you can find anything."

*fades away*

I don't have the time, either. I figured the odds were so outside I'd get in I didn't have to announce that beforehand. Mistakes!

/spectate

Even if I had the time to play, I'm sure I've seen substantially all of the setup in the various past versions.

Don't get me wrong - I voted for a full roster of 12. I just think we'be been dancing one of you murdering the other two long enough. That, or I'm an elitist smuglord. One of those. :3

Though the sheer size of the list gave me an idea for an interesting idea for a game - 27 players sorted into 9 games of 3 players, each with two townies and one scum (all scum know each other but can't communicate). The three players choose one person of them to represent their group, which will give you three games of 3, then one game of 3, which plays out normally. (Is it a good idea? Certainly not!)

The correct answer is vote for Az, Ax, and Cyan and have a duel to the death.

Maybe, Prophy. I mentioned this a bit in the spectator QT, but I like that there's a neat parallelism to the game - the scum and town each need to kill four of the other (and the mafia's job gets harder the more members they lose), and the four different permutations of buttons evenly fall two-two in favoring town or scum (and that they're intertwined - 3-0/1-2 vs. 2-1/0-3). For sure, the mafia get the advantage of clarity, but the town (one hopes) could be able to control what goes on simply through additional volume. This is one place where the erratic posting on this site now really undermined things, though, because scum have a much greater incentive (one would think, anyway) to post more than townies, and with more energy.

That being said, the town really got tangled up in being what I'd characterize, in an oversimplification, as the emotional reaction to the setup. At first, they were really confident about how buttons would work in their favor (with Seppel, iirc, as the devil on their shoulder). Then they started to worry about what was going on in the boxes, such that everyone wanted to be in there, and they lost a couple of good analysts to paranoia. And then at the end, they simply didn't think through what was going on and got wrapped up with the fear of what the scum might do while the button was going on - not realizing, of course, that there's no way that the town can "lose" the game preemptively in this setup, save one (at 10 players alive, putting three townies in the box would create a 4-3 split for the scum outside - though the town's basically hosed at that point anyway).

If they'd paused for a moment to consider where they stood, and then sucked in their breath and put Hunt and two certain townies on the button, take him off the board, and then reassess, I think the town could have regained their momentum. But at a certain point, there was so much misinformation, so many proposals flying around, and so little focus that it was just a matter of time before the scum could windmill-slam a proposal.

One thing I think would make the setup better in the future (and, in fact, the version I want to try in real life) is 9 players rather than 12. That would probably make it more streamlined, though admittedly it would slightly worsen the three-townie box problem (townie lynched first, then three-townie box means 2-3 outside, which will quickly end the game). Maybe that would justify adding a townie to make it slightly harder for the scum, especially considering the nuances of IRL mafia. Who knows.

(Also, it should come as no surprise that the original inspiration for the game was trying to come up with a mashup of The Resistance and mafia.)


@ Iso: Eh. I'll still be around, lurking and maybe occasionally playing. It's partly that the things I enjoyed about mafia, i.e. complex setup creation and storytelling, have respectively become nigh-impossible to pull off on this site (*pours one out for Mind Screw*) and something I do with actual pecuniary purpose now. Without those, it's mostly just logistical wrangling, checking prods, and fighting the encroaching sense of dismay when people start griping.

Which isn't to say they're wrong about griping. I just think this site needed a certain level of dynamism to pull off its highest highs, and we've lost so many of the best creators and personalities, that at a certain point it's hard to even get enthusiastic about the cute little perpetual-motion machine Experiments. If the site's ever going to hit those highs again, it's certainly not heading in the right direction, and until it does, it's harder to say "this time will be different. This time won't feel like dragging the carcass."

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(Though short version is this will definitely be my last hosted game, because I think this community is essentially deceased and dragging these things over the finish line is a real chore now that I'm a working stiff. I've got better things to do, tbh.)

That is a huge bummer, as I've found some of your games the most interesting to read along.

Time comes for us all. *shrug*

Experiment #3 - Big Red Button Mafia has ended with a mafia victory.

King_Deekus (who's a CropCircles sockpuppet, and shall he never cross me again) and Megiddo were forcibly replaced. kpaca wasn't technically forcibly replaced, but he would have been had the game not killed him, and thus belongs in this category too.

Vote Count
(5 to pass)

Aleph: D_V, Rodemy, Seppel
2 - Rodemy

Fishfingers: D_V, Huntzilla, Seppel
1 - Nykllor

PersonalPreference: dkingsland967, Mindreaver, Tordeck
1 - Mindreaver

Pan: D_V, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
5 - Tordeck, Seppel, D_V, Huntzilla, dkingsland967

DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
1 - DoTArchon

Active Proposals
None

Proposal Pan has been passed. In the interest of simplicity, we're going to skip the part where D_V and Huntzilla lynch Mindreaver.

Game over. The space mafia - dkingsland967, D_V, Huntzilla, and Seppel - have captured the clicky buttons. Truly the galaxy is doomed.

Spectator - https://quicktopic.com/52/H/3Kq9w9GRuk2a
phascogale - https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/cknEFnYHGMxQd
Bobblegong - https://quicktopic.com/52/H/w3PTQgUg8EW
Scumtrio - https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/XMnfHBQ37TXj
Pan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_zsJ8KPP0

Some thoughts coming in the morning.

(Though short version is this will definitely be my last hosted game, because I think this community is essentially deceased and dragging these things over the finish line is a real chore now that I'm a working stiff. I've got better things to do, tbh. But I'm a big fan of BRB as a concept.)

Vote Count
(5 to pass)

Aleph: D_V, Rodemy, Seppel
2 - Seppel, Rodemy

Fishfingers: D_V, Huntzilla, Seppel
1 - Nykllor

PersonalPreference: dkingsland967, Mindreaver, Tordeck
1 - Mindreaver

Pan: D_V, Huntzilla, Mindreaver
2 - Tordeck, D_V

DV.spl: DoTArchon, D_V, Seppel
1 - DoTArchon

Active Proposals
None

Oh, my bad, DK.

Seppel's proposal "A" has been renamed to Aleph, for the sake of whatever is the opposite of brevity. For the moment, I'm going to pretend he hasn't named any of the others which don't already exist.

Also, for future reference, take note of past proposals before trying to name proposals that already exist, to save me from potentially screwing that up myself.

Vote Count
(5 to pass)

CounterKakapo: dkingsland967, Mindreaver, Nykllor
1 - DoTArchon

Aleph: D_V, Rodemy, Seppel
1 - Seppel

PRICK: Huntzilla, Rodemy, Tordeck
2 - Tordeck, Rodemy

Fishfingers: D_V, Huntzilla, Seppel
1 - Nykllor

Active Proposals
None

Okay, now I'm prodding dkingsland.