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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    I like Meg’s big post.

    @meg: I don’t think Emiko is lying, I don’t think he/she is brand new, but probably only has a few games under their belt.

    Maybe it’s just the language barrier, but I think Emiko’s reads are coming from simple things and the picture isn’t being fully put together in places.

    @sulver: I don’t know about a scumbuddy defending you by mimicking your reads exactly, yet not voting me. Like, if his purpose was to defend you I’d think more pressure would be the default way to go. (also, defend you from what? You clearly don’t need defending from me at the moment, nor did you then :p ).

    However, I also originally read it and went, “yeah yeah, another person not listening to me about silver and just brainlessly attacking me.” You know, before my nap.
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Oh my guess on the votecount was way off.

    Megs come back to us!
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from KoolKoal »
    Ugh, I started tunneling pretty bad there.

    If you're town, I don't want to discourage this, but, can you explain at all how/why, because this feels sudden
    Probably partially my tunneling was a tiredness thing. Last night I was tired and obviously a little silly/dumb overconfident as you can see in 416.

    This morning I woke up and after a while decided it was too early and I had to go back to bed for an hour, but not before reading and getting over-emotional and posting 439.
    Then I woke up, saw silver’s response, and found it reasonable. And I was like, “Oh yeah, I’m not 100% sure he’s scum and I’m really not ever supposed to be 100% certain before confirmation.”

    I realized this over the course of writing my response in 447, and added the first line about my tunneling in the middle of typing it up because I didn’t trust myself to portray the slow revelation it was in the middle of the writing without it “sounding manufactured.”

    Idk how well that answers your why question, but that’s my thought process at least.
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Oh, and thanks KJ for that nice response.

    I think I just have to read you the way I try to read everyone, ignoring the prescribed (and imo overused) scumtells and focus on finding the motive.
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Actually, on rereading it, I don’t like that he didn’t vote for me. Unless he’s already voting Megs, but I don’t remember if he is.

    Otherwise, I didn’t find them very telling compared to his earlier post I mentioned.
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Quote from KittyCupCake »
    Quote from KoolKoal »
    He's not scumhunting at all. Reread him and you'll see it.

    Would you say the same thing about Tom? They've been about equally focused on each other
    My brain immediately says "no" but I mostly haven't been reading tom critically for a while since he's def town if silver is scum. I can go back and re-evaluate if you wish.
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Ugh, I started tunneling pretty bad there. @everyone: Please at least read my 412 seriously.
    If KK is town Rhand might be a wolf.
    I've been eyeing him for scum as well since his snipe-y post a few days ago. His two posts yesterday, less so.
    @KK

    I literally wrote two posts about how I don't think all three of you are wolves together and probably just one of you is, maybe read those (bottom of the last page, #396 and #398 I think cause Vaimes had #399 and #400)
    I did. Its part of why I don't buy your reads. The fact that you say tom is your #1 scum plus me/kj, but can't be scum with either of us, but we're still all topscum- When I actually type this thought out it sounds stupid. Clearly you can have us all as scumpects while acknowledging that we're probably not aligned.
    And I didn't "literally think you were misguided town until you were safe to pressure" I had a very slight town read on you when you initially voted me poorly and gave you the benefit of the doubt because you don't know me/tom/vaimes
    Yes, I acknowledge that my read of your tone as "pushing back against misguided town" was my own perspective and not easily provable.
    Megs isn't even that popular of a wagon right now and I was one of the first to call him out when he was evading my questions about his Vaimes read so like
    I disagree on his wagon not being popular. It only seems that way because he went AWOL yesterday.

    Anyway, I clearly need to cool off on this. I'm not talking about silver unless addressed for a while. Which, given everyone's interest, I'm probably not talking about silver at all for a while.
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Good Lord why is my ability to make cases that people listen to the main skill that got worse over my 5 years off? I already sucked at it enough before I quit
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    No, read clearly.

    His only scum reads are the people pressuring him and Megiddo. Everyone ELSE, except for Emiko, silver is using very weak language and leaving room to move.

    He's not scumhunting at all. Reread him and you'll see it.

    Also, am I at L-2 with that?
    Mod: Votecount please?
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Can we not just dismiss my case and give silver a free pass to hand wave just because I’m “SoOo SCuMmeH!”

    Seriously, my post makes sense. Read silvers responses to my original case and then read until 394. I’m literally misguided town to him until I’m safe to pressure.

    Literally everyone against him is scum in his eyes right now (plus the popular choice of mega). Everyone else is neutral but Emiko. He’s keeping his options open so he can hop into whatever wagon he wants when it’s time to move on.

    Please don’t accept a preconceived notion on this just because you’re tired of it and you already made up your mind. Make silver at least participate and prove what he’s claiming.

    Also, there’s certainly scum fence sitting on this right now because town is making it the safe and smart choice by disengaging.
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Cool. I'll leave it there to not distract from the fact that I just roasted you, and you decided handwave it and then repeat what other people have already said as your one specific reason. :p
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    Oh, and for lazy people who don't want to click the links, I'm still town-side of null in silver's 209
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    So silver:

    Why is this post 209 the most recent time a read of me showed up in your posts before 394?

    You didn't do anything while I was first voted you to call me scummy. You simply argued with me neutrally. But suddenly in 394, I'm one of your favorite scum candidates? And:
    Think KK's vote/push is the sketchiest other than tom's initial,
    Oh? Thanks for saying anything about that in the moment.

    Why am I not a scumspect for you until after I get a vote from shadow and cantrip voices support for pressure on me?

    To me, it looks like you're OMGUS conscious after doing it to tom, and only jumping in when I'm obviously a safe push again. But delayed, poorly explained OMGUS is still OMGUS.

    Also, megs basically never appears in your 394, and I come up ~the most. But you're happy with your vote? I don't think so. See the previous line.

    So, please explain why my push is bad.
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    So cezok is continuing the “1 post per 24 hr without responding to anything directed at him/her” trend

    @vezok: Are you planning to respond to me or anyone else trying to engage you soon? Why are you lurking?
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  • posted a message on Eurovision Mafia - Game Over - Europe will crumble
    I forgot the bridge thought in my Emiko read:
    Emiko’s reads lead me to believe he/she is genuinely a newer player, therefore extremely likely to mess up as scum.
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