What's the thinking on Josu Vess, Lich Knight? Seems getting to ten mana shouldn't be too big a deal? Along with Rooftop Storm it seems like a beast as you can cast it for 0 and then just pay the 5B kicker cost for the eight Zombie Knights.
Played a couple of games of Commander with a different deck. Just wondering now about including things like spot removal, board wipes, artifact hate and ways to save your graveyard from being exiled. Is it worth including things like that and if so, what's best?
Some cards I'm considering at the moment are Perpetual Timepiece to protect the GY and can also help fill it a bit, Thrilling Encore or Golgari Charm to protect against boardwipes, and maybe Reclamation Sage needs to be in there? Or am I being too cautios? Maybe Bojuka Bog to shoot down other people's graveyards?
My thinking was that it could come back from the graveyard if it got destroyed. Something which would be harder with an enchantment or artifact. Plus it can be cast for zero, sacced to Jarad, etc.
At least you have toilet paper. Unless it's run out.
Anyway, what would you remove for Whisper, Blood Liturgist in my list? Remove something other than a creature? I've also jammed in an Elixir of Immortality. This is my current one:
The ruling for Undead Alchemist says that if you have two, the ability to create a 2/2 zombie triggers twice. Would it be the same case with one Alchemist and one Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet?
I'm giving Commander a go and I came up with this list. Kirkby very graciously gave me some valuable feedback on it. Thought I'd share it here as well. I'm probably going to have to dump Cavern of Souls, just too expensive.
Thanks Kirby. I did consider most of these cards, but I'm probably missing the obvious when it comes to these things. I can see the points about the spot removal, doesn't do much. Lotleth Troll I saw as a sac outlet, and Prized Amalgam as a sac victim which can then come back with the lords pumping it to 5/5 or 6/6, same with Scourge of Nel Toth. Sac it, maybe to Jarad, bring back an 8/8 flyer? Or a bad idea?
Filth I thought could become a dead card if the opponents aren't in B. Perhaps it's worth to include anyway? I'm open to fiddling with the land base as well, I thought around 36-37? Undead Alchemist I'm also a bit confused by. Aren't you basically trying to mill everyone to death instead of just swinging with the team? I see how it works with Gempalm Polluter but otherwise I'm probably missing something?
Again, thanks. I think I just need to understand the strategy better.
What's the thinking on Josu Vess, Lich Knight? Seems getting to ten mana shouldn't be too big a deal? Along with Rooftop Storm it seems like a beast as you can cast it for 0 and then just pay the 5B kicker cost for the eight Zombie Knights.
Some cards I'm considering at the moment are Perpetual Timepiece to protect the GY and can also help fill it a bit, Thrilling Encore or Golgari Charm to protect against boardwipes, and maybe Reclamation Sage needs to be in there? Or am I being too cautios? Maybe Bojuka Bog to shoot down other people's graveyards?
Anyway, what would you remove for Whisper, Blood Liturgist in my list? Remove something other than a creature? I've also jammed in an Elixir of Immortality. This is my current one:
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Cryptbreaker
1 Gravecrawler
1 Relentless Dead
1 Cemetery Reaper
1 Death Baron
1 Diregraf Captain
1 Diregraf Colossus
1 Lich Lord of Unx
1 Lord of the Accursed
1 Lord of the Undead
1 Plague Belcher
1 Zombie Master
1 Filth
1 Gisa and Geralf
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Risen Executioner
1 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
1 Undead Alchemist
1 Undead Warchief
1 Corpse Connoisseur
1 Ghoulcaller Gisa
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
1 Havengul Lich
1 Noxious Ghoul
1 Phyrexian Delver
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Taigam, Sidisi's Hand
1 The Scarab God
1 Vengeful Pharao
1 Grave Titan
1 Gravespawn Sovereign
1 Gempalm Polluter
1 Muldrotha, the Gravetide
1 Dread Summons
1 Final Parting
1 Life from the Loam
1 Buried Alive
1 Victimize
1 Dread Return
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Splendid Reclamation
1 Zombie Apocalypse
Enchantments: 8
1 Journey to Eternity
1 Sultai Ascendancy
1 Endless Ranks of the Dead
1 Path of Discovery
1 Arcane Adaptation
1 Parallel Lives
1 Deadbridge Chant
1 Rooftop Storm
Instants: 3
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Dark Bargain
1 Grisly Salvage
Planeswalkers: 2
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Liliana, Death's Majesty
Artifact: 7
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Embalmer's Tools
1 Sol Ring
1 Mesmeric Orb
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Coat of Arms
Land: 36
1 Academy Ruins
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Command Tower
1 Dismal Backwater
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Evolving Wilds
2 Forest
1 Golgari Guildgate
2 Island
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mana Confluence
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
1 Opulent Palace
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Polluted Delta
1 Rogue's Passage
1 Sunken Hollow
6 Swamp
1 Temple of Deceit
1 Temple of Malady
1 Temple of Mystery
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Unholy Grotto
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Watery Grave
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Yavimaya Coast
And also wanted to say I hope things are getting better on Puerto Rico. Didn't realise that's where you're from.
This is the list:
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Cryptbreaker
1 Gravecrawler
1 Relentless Dead
1 Cemetery Reaper
1 Death Baron
1 Diregraf Captain
1 Diregraf Colossus
1 Lich Lord of Unx
1 Lord of the Accursed
1 Lord of the Undead
1 Plague Belcher
1 Zombie Master
1 Filth
1 Gisa and Geralf
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Risen Executioner
1 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
1 Undead Alchemist
1 Undead Warchief
1 Corpse Connoisseur
1 Ghoulcaller Gisa
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
1 Havengul Lich
1 Noxious Ghoul
1 Phyrexian Delver
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Taigam, Sidisi's Hand
1 The Scarab God
1 Vengeful Pharao
1 Grave Titan
1 Gravespawn Sovereign
1 Gempalm Polluter
1 Muldrotha, the Gravetide
1 Dark Salvation
1 Dread Summons
1 Final Parting
1 Life from the Loam
1 Buried Alive
1 Victimize
1 Dread Return
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Splendid Reclamation
1 Zombie Apocalypse
1 Living Death
Enchantments: 8
1 Journey to Eternity
1 Sultai Ascendancy
1 Endless Ranks of the Dead
1 Path of Discovery
1 Arcane Adaptation
1 Parallel Lives
1 Deadbridge Chant
1 Rooftop Storm
Instants: 3
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Dark Bargain
1 Grisly Salvage
Planeswalkers: 2
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Liliana, Death's Majesty
Artifact: 6
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Embalmer's Tools
1 Sol Ring
1 Mesmeric Orb
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Coat of Arms
1 Academy Ruins
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Command Tower
1 Dismal Backwater
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Evolving Wilds
2 Forest
2 Island
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mana Confluence
12 Swamp
1 Opulent Palace
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Swamp
1 Temple of Deceit
1 Temple of Malady
1 Temple of Mystery
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Unholy Grotto
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Watery Grave
1 Woodland Cemetery
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Cryptbreaker
1 Gravecrawler
1 Relentless Dead
1 Cemetery Reaper
1 Death Baron
1 Diregraf Captain
1 Diregraf Colossus
1 Lich Lord of Unx
1 Lord of the Accursed
1 Lord of the Undead
1 Plague Belcher
1 Zombie Master
1 Filth
1 Gisa and Geralf
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Risen Executioner
1 Sidisi, Brood Tyrant
1 Undead Alchemist
1 Undead Warchief
1 Corpse Connoisseur
1 Ghoulcaller Gisa
1 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
1 Grimgrin, Corpse-Born
1 Havengul Lich
1 Noxious Ghoul
1 Phyrexian Delver
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Taigam, Sidisi's Hand
1 The Scarab God
1 Vengeful Pharao
1 Grave Titan
1 Gravespawn Sovereign
1 Gempalm Polluter
1 Muldrotha, the Gravetide
1 Dark Salvation
1 Dread Summons
1 Final Parting
1 Life from the Loam
1 Buried Alive
1 Victimize
1 Dread Return
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Splendid Reclamation
1 Zombie Apocalypse
1 Living Death
Enchantments: 8
1 Journey to Eternity
1 Sultai Ascendancy
1 Endless Ranks of the Dead
1 Path of Discovery
1 Arcane Adaptation
1 Parallel Lives
1 Deadbridge Chant
1 Rooftop Storm
Instants: 3
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Dark Bargain
1 Grisly Salvage
Planeswalkers: 2
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Liliana, Death's Majesty
Artifact: 6
1 Altar of the Brood
1 Embalmer's Tools
1 Sol Ring
1 Mesmeric Orb
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Coat of Arms
1 Academy Ruins
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Command Tower
1 Dismal Backwater
1 Drowned Catacomb
1 Evolving Wilds
2 Forest
2 Island
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Jungle Hollow
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Mana Confluence
12 Swamp
1 Opulent Palace
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Swamp
1 Temple of Deceit
1 Temple of Malady
1 Temple of Mystery
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Unholy Grotto
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Watery Grave
1 Woodland Cemetery
Filth I thought could become a dead card if the opponents aren't in B. Perhaps it's worth to include anyway? I'm open to fiddling with the land base as well, I thought around 36-37? Undead Alchemist I'm also a bit confused by. Aren't you basically trying to mill everyone to death instead of just swinging with the team? I see how it works with Gempalm Polluter but otherwise I'm probably missing something?
Again, thanks. I think I just need to understand the strategy better.