However, it's also come to my attention that Metallic Mimic exists and could be another kithkin lord and it's colorless. If I add it I think I would take out the planeswalkers. I've never actually used them and they usually get sideboarded out. Though they push the curve of the deck I like the Cloudgoat Rangers. Putting 4 threats on the board is amazing and the tokens it makes aren't usually 1/1s because of Cenn or Honor. Plus he has evasion.
I really like Brave the Elements. It can save a Wizened Cenn or basically says my creatures are unblockable. On the downside it doesn't synergize with Metallic Mimic but it didn't do anything for planeswalkers anyway so I guess switching the Mimics in for the walkers doesn't really change anything.
Brave the elements is a good option considering that you're not running Forge-Tenders in your main. About the Planeswalkers, I guess you could cut them off - try adding +1/+2 Cloudgoat Ranger and/or +1/+2 Thoughtweft Trio instead.
And I really don't like Metallic Mimic, just couldn't make it work
Since we don't run any fetches, it could be worthwhile to test Suppression Field in the board. I think the only cards of ours it affects are Figure, Cloudgoat and Windbrisk if you run it.
What abilities do you fear that you want to run that? I have not encountered any abilities that make me want to run it, but that may be my local meta
Agreed, Suppression Field depends on your meta. Stony Silence seems to be enough against activated abilities so far. Anw, I still have 1/2 free slot(s) in my SB, any hints?
I used to run 3/4 Windbrisk Heights with 2/4 Cloudgoat Ranger, but I'm not that lucky with "combos"
Also, I've won so many matches because I was able to discard those Clachans.
Anw, I'm giving a try once again to 3 Windbrisks in the next matches.
Was this in a tournament setting or just casual games? Any reason to favor Clachan over Windbrisk Heights?
Just local modern matches, but I'm pretty sure this deck can be a pain in the ass if sideboarded correctly. Of course, it's not a tier 1 or 2, but it's fun to play with.
Burn: 2-0 - Easy match since I'm running 4 Forge-Tenders
Junk: 1-2 - Game was tough and sideboarding didn't help me
Esper control: 2-1 - Figures helped me out after 1st match
Soul Sisters: 2-1 - +3 Torpor Orb and -2 Ranger of Eos/-1 Cloudgoat Ranger
Affinity: 2-0 - 1st match was tough but sideboarding is key (Stony Silence + Aura of Silence + Kataki)
Is anyone still playing Kithkins? All comments are welcome
New to the thread, what do you guys think about running aether vial?
It's not a good option if you're going for Classic Kithkin (Cloudgoat Ranger/Ranger of Eos and Figure of Destiny). But you can try it with the Soldier version of the deck that uses Preeminent Captain.
This is what I have come up with, splashimg red according to your previous comments, havent testedet it yet though... What do you guys think? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/red-kithkin-worshippers-of-iroas/?cat=cost
I really like to play at least 2 copies of path to exile because it allows you to get rid of creatures permanently, and boros charm gives you three options, thats always great in my opinion...
Hi!
Try running +2 Preeminent Cap'n and 1 Brave the Elements instead of those Lightning Helix. I would also cut 1 Borderguard or 1 Boros Charm for another Brave the Elements. These will give you more aggro than burning options.
PS: Consider running Burrenton Forge-Tender in your sideboard, and always go for Blood Moon if you can ($$$)...
I'm thinking of resurrecting this deck as a stompy/prison style aggro hybrid. I think the maindeck hate would work well with the threats.
The red also opens up more sideboard options (Bolt/Roast/etc.). Thoughts?
@prismatic elf
Never tried Gideon, what are the results?
@praus6qwet
It seems you're running the Soldier/Kithkin version, so, I guess you should consider -4 Figure of Destiny (too slow if not running the classic kithkins), -3 Goldmeadow Harrier and -1 Kinsbaile Borderguard for +2 Militia's Pride, +2 Preeminent Cap'n and +4 Brave the Elements.
Preeminent is the heart of this variant, and Brave/Militia's Pride provides the "escape" you need.
Splashing for Red seems to be a good idea in every Kithkin variant (Classic, Soldiers...)
So, I guess Blood Moon NEEDS to be in the list if you are not looking for budget.
2. The deck seems rather weak as it is now, with little chance to win against control/midrange or outrace a good aggro or combo deck (unless you start with a god hand).
It doesn't seem very good at the moment without some better Kithkin cards (even Figure of Destiny which I like feels really slow in an aggro deck).
I played a few games with your deck and consdering that this is the "Soldier/Kickass" variant of the deck:
1. I agree with you, Figure is too slow for it. And you can keep those Bannerets;
2. If you don't have Blood Moon, sideboarding is the key against control (Boil/Cavern of Souls/Rending Volley);
3. I guess you can cut those Figures off if they are not helping you, and keep Honor of the Pure;
4. I played with both, Iroas and Ajani, and that "prevent damage" ability + Preeminent Cap'n is nice. So, Iroas > Ajani in this case.
What about Iroas, it seems to fit this deck rather well ?
I don't think so, that's cause you already have lots of cards with CMC 3 or +
EDIT: About Ballyrush Banneret, I just don't like it. You already have Preeminent Cap'n, so you can cheat Thoughtweft/Borderguard in. I guess you can replace those 4 Ballyrush for: 2 Honor of the Pure, 1 Helix and maybe another land. Just try it and tell me the results!
Anyone playing Surge of Thoughtweft in their deck ?
I'm wondering whether to cut it or not.
MONO-WHITE: Surge is ok, but if you are not sure, you can replace it for +1 Path to Exile and +1 Honor of the Pure.
Also, I guess -1 Ballyrush and +1 Goldmeadow would be nice because you have only 20 lands.
WR: About splashing for red, it is a good idea. I feel like Ajani could be replaced for another land. And you can replace 1 Ballyrush for 1 Lightning Helix. Btw, you can always think about Blood Moon in Modern, the only problem is the money, lol.
Not actually, but I used to run Mana Tithe and it was very helpful considering that it's a 1 CMC spell...
About Silence, I have 2 free-slots in my deck right now, so I guess I can give it a try.
Brave the elements is a good option considering that you're not running Forge-Tenders in your main. About the Planeswalkers, I guess you could cut them off - try adding +1/+2 Cloudgoat Ranger and/or +1/+2 Thoughtweft Trio instead.
And I really don't like Metallic Mimic, just couldn't make it work
Indeed, Mana Tithe is really interesting
Agreed, Suppression Field depends on your meta. Stony Silence seems to be enough against activated abilities so far. Anw, I still have 1/2 free slot(s) in my SB, any hints?
Also, I've won so many matches because I was able to discard those Clachans.
Anw, I'm giving a try once again to 3 Windbrisks in the next matches.
Just local modern matches, but I'm pretty sure this deck can be a pain in the ass if sideboarded correctly. Of course, it's not a tier 1 or 2, but it's fun to play with.
1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx
3 Rustic Clachan
17 Plains
CREATURE
4 Burrenton Forge-Tender
4 Goldmeadow Stalwart
4 Figure of Destiny
4 Knight of Meadowgrain
4 Wizened Cenn
2 Ranger of Eos
2 Thoughtweft Trio
1 Cloudgoat Ranger
2 Brave the Elements
4 Path to Exile
4 Spectral Procession
ENCHANTMENT
4 Honor of the Pure
3 Torpor Orb
3 Rest in Peace
2 Stony Silence
3 Runed Halo
1 Aura of Silence
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Free Slot
Burn: 2-0 - Easy match since I'm running 4 Forge-Tenders
Junk: 1-2 - Game was tough and sideboarding didn't help me
Esper control: 2-1 - Figures helped me out after 1st match
Soul Sisters: 2-1 - +3 Torpor Orb and -2 Ranger of Eos/-1 Cloudgoat Ranger
Affinity: 2-0 - 1st match was tough but sideboarding is key (Stony Silence + Aura of Silence + Kataki)
It's not a good option if you're going for Classic Kithkin (Cloudgoat Ranger/Ranger of Eos and Figure of Destiny). But you can try it with the Soldier version of the deck that uses Preeminent Captain.
Hi!
Try running +2 Preeminent Cap'n and 1 Brave the Elements instead of those Lightning Helix. I would also cut 1 Borderguard or 1 Boros Charm for another Brave the Elements. These will give you more aggro than burning options.
PS: Consider running Burrenton Forge-Tender in your sideboard, and always go for Blood Moon if you can ($$$)...
The main reason is Blood Moon, but splashing for red also grants you Boil and lots of artifact hate (Smash to Smithereens, Shattering Spree, etc).
EDIT: You can also try Ghostly Prison/Ensnaring Bridge as you're going for stompy/prison.
Never tried Gideon, what are the results?
@praus6qwet
It seems you're running the Soldier/Kithkin version, so, I guess you should consider -4 Figure of Destiny (too slow if not running the classic kithkins), -3 Goldmeadow Harrier and -1 Kinsbaile Borderguard for +2 Militia's Pride, +2 Preeminent Cap'n and +4 Brave the Elements.
Preeminent is the heart of this variant, and Brave/Militia's Pride provides the "escape" you need.
So, I guess Blood Moon NEEDS to be in the list if you are not looking for budget.
I played a few games with your deck and consdering that this is the "Soldier/Kickass" variant of the deck:
1. I agree with you, Figure is too slow for it. And you can keep those Bannerets;
2. If you don't have Blood Moon, sideboarding is the key against control (Boil/Cavern of Souls/Rending Volley);
3. I guess you can cut those Figures off if they are not helping you, and keep Honor of the Pure;
4. I played with both, Iroas and Ajani, and that "prevent damage" ability + Preeminent Cap'n is nice. So, Iroas > Ajani in this case.
I don't think so, that's cause you already have lots of cards with CMC 3 or +
EDIT: About Ballyrush Banneret, I just don't like it. You already have Preeminent Cap'n, so you can cheat Thoughtweft/Borderguard in. I guess you can replace those 4 Ballyrush for: 2 Honor of the Pure, 1 Helix and maybe another land. Just try it and tell me the results!
MONO-WHITE: Surge is ok, but if you are not sure, you can replace it for +1 Path to Exile and +1 Honor of the Pure.
Also, I guess -1 Ballyrush and +1 Goldmeadow would be nice because you have only 20 lands.
WR: About splashing for red, it is a good idea. I feel like Ajani could be replaced for another land. And you can replace 1 Ballyrush for 1 Lightning Helix. Btw, you can always think about Blood Moon in Modern, the only problem is the money, lol.
About Silence, I have 2 free-slots in my deck right now, so I guess I can give it a try.
@prismatic elf and DontYouJIMMYMe
Indeed Gaddock may be useful once again. About those matchups, I agree that there's no place for them right now.
Sounds fine, please post your results. Btw, I guess WR Ajani would be a nice add.