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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Didn't they say that they were completing the MDFC land cycle in Kaldheim? Would that mean that there isn't another rare land cycle? If that's the case we can maybe guess what color some gods will be if they correspond with the remaining lands waiting to be printed. If I'm not mistaken we are missing Azorius, Golgari, Rakdos and Simic combinations.

    Or the lands may not correspond but if that's the case and there isn't another cycle then I would assume the gods would be monocolor. If they are multicolor I would assume there would have to be corresponding duals to help cast them and play their themes in limited.


    Not sure tbh. I admit that I'm kinda hoping the gods aren't merely mono-colour as we have plenty of mono-coloured gods as it is.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    There isn’t any merit in trying to go over an argument with an ulterior motive. If someone is arguing in bad faith you’re simply wasting your time. The issue in his examples has zero to do with Kaya as a character after all,
    Sounds like Fake News to me when the "ulterior motive" you've inferred is only your own delusion.


    You guys just love misusing loaded buzzwords, don't you? First Mary Sue, then "CNN bad," now fake news. When a post is composed of marginally-related buzzwords why would anyone want to engage with that earnestly?
    Define "you guys"

    Here's your available vocabulary list, per CNN's indoctrination rituals:
    Racist
    Sexist
    Bigot
    Misogynist
    Transphobic

    Except none of those apply to the valid reasons to criticize Kaya, or all Planeswalkers, as characters.


    Sounds to me you're mad people can see that you are many of those things and you'd wish people would stop.

    Meh


    Getting desperate even.

    I wonder if Oko will be the big bad, or if it will maybe be Ramaz?

    I kinda hope it's Ramaz. I know he's not the "Loki" archetype but I don't know if you'd need a planeswalker to fill that role. It might not even be a PW. We could see a god be the set's main antagonist again.
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  • posted a message on 2022 sets, return to x?
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Evidently Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty


    for those wondering what he’s talking about

    https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/jb3xr4/an_upcoming_mtg_set_name_which_has_not_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

    Offical link

    https://mtgspoilerthrowawayaccount.tumblr.com/post/631968440503123968/the-mtg-spoiler-thing

    It just rumored today and almost instantly there’s a whole bunch of supports to this being legit

    and for those who hate this major set change from old Japanese mythology to a tron/cyberpunk plane reminder the kamigawa we all know (that we drafted at the time) was 1000 years ago in the lore this is present era


    I kinda hope not. While I'm all for returning to Kamigawa, I'm not a huge fan of mtg being too 'futuristic'. Kaladesh and New Phyrexia are as modern and technologically advanced as I'd want to go and sometimes even they push the boundaries too far in my opinion.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    To be fair, Viven is actually the worst character in MTG. Although only Vorthos know that. I remember celebrating her depiction in Zack Stella art and thinking she had this amazing story of a lost home, hoping she would get revenge on Bolas someday, only to get a righteous eco-terrorist that only drove my criticism of OP Planeswalkers further by single-handedly leveling an entire advanced city of powerful vampire mages. Mages that are capable of conquering an entire continent and crossing an ocean to hold their own on another, but an whole city of them couldn't handle one person.


    Vivien was my favourite planeswalker before Ikoria (just a little info for anyone thinking that there is an agenda behind my hate for Kaya).
    Vivien may look like a mary sue because she has too a super duper special power that help her out a lot. The difference is that her power isn't her but it's an item, if you take away her arkbow she's almost nothing (and she can't make another one. Not can anyone else); also she paid a high price for that power.
    But after Ikoria i hate her too. Actually i don't hate her, i just find her the cringiest thing ever made. I could handle an eco-terrorist extremist... but you have to write it in a good and credible way. What she said about Ikoria looked like the rambling of a vegan emo teenager who never met another real person in his life. If you wanna advocate animal's rights, ok. If you wanna condemn killing animals even for eating, you may sound a little dumb related to some fantasy planes, but ok i guess. If you condemn people just fightning for their own survival, to not get eaten... that's beyond dumb. That's a level of not being a credible character that shouldn't even be possible.


    Yeah, she's a lot more approachable in the Ikoria novel.

    @Ilovesaprolings, I know for certain that you've been consistently proactive in the past at standing up against not only racism on this here site, but also sexism and LGBTQ2S+phobia, so TBH, I'm not really all that suspicious of your own criticisms of Kaya as I am suspicious of the critiques given by a few of the other users on here. That is of course not to say that such would be impossible, and I certainly ain't perfect in these kinda things either.

    What I do know is that some of the critics and post-'likers' on our thread do indeed have a pattern of attacking WotC' efforts in making the game more inclusive, either in terms of gender, race, ethnicity, culture, sexuality or, in the case of some users, all of the above and/or more.
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  • posted a message on KHM- Kaldheim story and flavor
    And again, we know next to nothing about the story yet.


    Feel free to contend an argument authentically Tiro, but please do so through reason, and by carefully weighing not only the 'bad', but also the 'good'.

    There is so much that is good re: Kaya, and even more good to look forward to in Kaldheim.

    No one is forcing you to change your mind, but should you go on another hateful attack as you previously did swinging into this thread, you will likely be reported for flaming.

    I trust that you are familiar with that process.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging

    Not exactly. Characters experience undeserved and unearned fortune all the time and that's not a problem.


    That's like your opinion, which is clearly not shared by many others here

    If you are happy with Kaya going around in a norse block killing Valhallan spirits because "ghosts are bad!" good for you. But don't expect the same by people with a little better critical sense.
    If it comes out that the big bad of Kaldheim is some kind of ghost it will still be *****ty because when you think of norse mythology you don't think of a BBEG ghost and because Kaya can kill it extremely easy. She just need the stab the ghost with a knife (not a mary sue at all, totally a well balanced and thought after power).

    If you are so adamant at the thesis of racism and wanna expose us supposed bad racist mtg players, i suggest you to look at the announcements of Ikoria and M21. If the people triggered by Kaya were triggered also by Vivien and Teferi being the faces of those sets, you have found your racists. Otherwise, you just have found people who dislike Kaya because of the countless reasons that have been posted in this thread and that you are choosing to ignore.
    To be fair, Viven is actually the worst character in MTG. Although only Vorthos know that. I remember celebrating her depiction in Zack Stella art and thinking she had this amazing story of a lost home, hoping she would get revenge on Bolas someday, only to get a righteous eco-terrorist that only drove my criticism of OP Planeswalkers further by single-handedly leveling an entire advanced city of powerful vampire mages. Mages that are capable of conquering an entire continent and crossing an ocean to hold their own on another, but an whole city of them couldn't handle one person.


    You cannot speak for all Vorthi Tiro. Vivian is disliked by a few Vorthi including myself, not because she is overpowered, but because she is extremist, and even this interpretation may very well just be associated with the initial depiction of her whilst on Ixalan. Vivian was a much more reasonable character in the Ikoria novel, which suggests to me at least that WotC took a hint.

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  • posted a message on What should Kaldheim bring to the table?
    Quote from Ryperior74 »


    I say change werewolf to wolf you know maro and the gang would not put werewolf's in not Innistrad besides we're going back there after D&D set and it's more regular wolve's than werewolf particularly fenrir


    You could be right on that, though the reason why I thought it a possibility is the fact that we know it's a set with double-face cards. So maybe it's just a lil more likely than most other sets without the mechanic? Dunno. Could be wishful thinking on my part
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    I think MTG overall has done a respectable job of taking the material, making it their own, hitting the more recognizable aspects of the source material while staying true to enough of the deeper cuts to keep those familiar with it satisfied. It’s a fair balance between Kamigawa level delving and the need to be relatable and meet public standards expectations. I won’t fault them for that.


    On that we agree.

    One of the cool things that the packaging kinda hints at is the possibility of seeing again large scale conflict (armies) on a plane, which is nice in my opinion as the last set to really have any huge battles was War of the Spark, and Ikoria to an extent.

    Ikoria's lore had big battles between two opposing assemblages, but as one of the sides was just mind-controlled monsters I'm unsure if it counts.

    Then again, Bolas's army in War of the Spark was also majorly comprised of necor-dominated zombies so I guess Iokoria would qualify just as well.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    I don’t have different standards. Your argument to suggest that failed when I did indeed react to Jace with criticism in favor of a native Zendikar PW fitting better alongside Nissa and Nahiri as two other natives with concerns for their world (which I also stated) than even my favorite character did.


    Believe what you wish.

    How you initially responded to the presence of your golden-boy in Zendikar Rising and so called "criticized" him vs. how you reacted to Kaya and dug in your heels re: her, are non-equivalent, nor are they even the same argument. As I recall, you even used the term 'Mary Sue' to describe the issues you had with Kaya. Nevermind the fact that your only complaints regarding Jace were wanting to see his "handsome face" and that maybe his role should have given to another different planeswalker that you also liked.

    Examine how you expressed Jace in glowing terms even when you thought there was a 'problem' vs. how addressed your 'problem' with Kaya.

    Yet the problem isn't unique to Tiro. Hell the first post on this thread had to be moderated for using racist language for crying-out loud! The issue isn't that people have criticisms about Kaya or planesalkers, but that people seem to indeed have double standards.

    We as a MtG community have to change.
    Actually, my very first post in this thread criticized planeswalkers as a whole, not specifically Kaya, and I called all of them Mary Sues. So again, you're clearly assuming what you want about my posts.


    But again there was no criticisms even of planeswalkers as a whole in the aforementioned Zendikar Rising preview thread, nor have you properly addressed the aforementioned different lenses of framing for your specific so-called "criticisms".

    Again, nice try. If anyone wants to check out more of this double standard, feel free to check out the Kaldheim Storyline thread in the "Magic Storyline" forum. It's 11:00 and I'm off to bed.

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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    I don’t have different standards. Your argument to suggest that failed when I did indeed react to Jace with criticism in favor of a native Zendikar PW fitting better alongside Nissa and Nahiri as two other natives with concerns for their world (which I also stated) than even my favorite character did.


    Believe what you wish.

    How you initially responded to the presence of your golden-boy in Zendikar Rising and so called "criticized" him vs. how you reacted to Kaya and dug in your heels re: her, are non-equivalent, nor are they even the same argument. As I recall, you even used the term 'Mary Sue' to describe the issues you had with Kaya. Nevermind the fact that your only complaints regarding Jace were wanting to see his "handsome face" and that maybe his role should have given to another different planeswalker that you also liked.

    Examine how you expressed Jace in glowing terms even when you thought there was a 'problem' vs. how addressed your 'problem' with Kaya.

    Yet the problem isn't unique to Tiro. Hell the first post on this thread had to be moderated for using racist language for crying-out loud! The issue isn't that people have criticisms about Kaya or planesalkers, but that people seem to indeed have double standards that are detrimental to women and People of Colour.

    We as a MtG community have to change.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    I've been criticizing this PW-centric narrative for years, so no. I merely revived this argument when I noticed the apprehension about which brand new character Kaya was here to kill on a plane we're literally visiting for the first time. I just noticed that Planeswalkers usurping native Legendary Creatures has finally been done in such excess that it's an expectation at this point. After Brago and the Obzedat, it's a reasonable assumption. And with Kaya also violating Planeswalking rules, it exacerbated the criticism. Kaldheim is a plane with gods, and frankly I care more about those unique characters from Norse myth than I do about Planeswalkers we can see anywhere.


    Funny. I don't recall you bringing up these concerns on the thread showing the Zendikar Rising packaging that featured Jace, even though the boy's prominence over and beyond plane-bound characters is just as explicate, perhaps even more-so, than Kaya's prominence over the same.

    *checks old thread*

    Nope. Not a single angry tentacle.
    check again, because I said that despite being a major Jace fan, I was hoping to see Kiora as a native of Zendikar instead, and didn’t understand what he’s actually doing on Zendikar again.

    But I’m sure that’s because I’m a sexist Misogynist.

    For the record, Zendikar already had its planar overlord equivalents killed by Planeswalkers (Eldrazi), which I criticized in this very thread, concerning Gideon and Ulamog, as another reference.


    Here we are! As I recall you even liked the post at the time.
    Two can play at this game!

    Here you are!

    Quote from Urabrask »
    The art also gives as a few tidbits.

    -Wondering if the Ulamog thing in the swamp will be a statue, or an offspring, that is now dormant.
    -The angel is using some of Kozilek bismuth on her weapon.
    -Could the ruin in the sky be another look at Emeria?
    -Seagate more or less rebuild.

    What I'm wondering is, how much of the Roil will be left on Zendikar, after the Eldrazi are gone. I also think it is strange that we got Jace her, I know the canon status of the two Ravnica novels is questionable, but I thought we would see him on Vryn and Kiora instead in this set, the fill out the native trio. Regardless it is nice to see "adventure" Jace, as a contrast to his last two visits to the plane.
    I also expected Jace to be heading to Vryn and Kiora to be here, using Thassa's Bident to rebuild the seas and coastal regions of Zendikar. She headed back to Zendikar after War of the Spark as well.

    I admire Adventure Jace regardless, giving me those Ixalan vibes I loved. But I do feel Kiora should have been here instead, despite Jace being my favorite character.

    The remnants of Ulamog after being blown apart with moss and vegetation growth is pretty cool. Future generations may mistake it for a statue of a god, but it was once living.


    Two indeed can play but I wish for all to examine the evidence. Did Tiro's initial reaction to seeing Jace in the packaging reflect a frustration that planeswalkers were too prominent in the game and overshadowing planebound creatures?

    Jace or Kiora, it doesn't matter. You have one standard for the kinds of planeswalkers that you like and that you enjoy seeing in the game, and an altogether different standard for those planeswalkers that you don't care about.

    One doesn't have to be an intentional and raging misogynist or racist to enable, or normalize, either systemic racism or sexism.

    Intent doesn't matter, but having two clearly different standards or expectations for the kinds of characters that one likes, or doesn't like does actually matter quite a bit.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Is there something different about Kaya? Is there something unique about her character that causes this level of weirdly obsessive scrutiny and disdain that doesn't apply to these other characters?
    I've been criticizing this PW-centric narrative for years, so no. I merely revived this argument when I noticed the apprehension about which brand new character Kaya was here to kill on a plane we're literally visiting for the first time. I just noticed that Planeswalkers usurping native Legendary Creatures has finally been done in such excess that it's an expectation at this point. After Brago and the Obzedat, it's a reasonable assumption. And with Kaya also violating Planeswalking rules, it exacerbated the criticism. Kaldheim is a plane with gods, and frankly I care more about those unique characters from Norse myth than I do about Planeswalkers we can see anywhere.


    Funny. I don't recall you bringing up these concerns on the thread showing the Zendikar Rising packaging that featured Jace, even though the boy's prominence over and beyond plane-bound characters is just as explicate, perhaps even more-so, than Kaya's prominence over the same.

    *checks old thread*

    Nope. Not a single angry tentacle.
    check again, because I said that despite being a major Jace fan, I was hoping to see Kiora as a native of Zendikar instead, and didn’t understand what he’s actually doing on Zendikar again.

    But I’m sure that’s because I’m a sexist Misogynist.

    For the record, Zendikar already had its planar overlord equivalents killed by Planeswalkers (Eldrazi), which I criticized in this very thread, concerning Gideon and Ulamog, as another reference.


    Here we are! As I recall you even liked the post at the time.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    check again, because I said that despite being a major Jace fan, I was hoping to see Kiora as a native of Zendikar instead, and didn’t understand what he’s actually doing on Zendikar again.


    Not the same argument. Nice try.

    Edit:

    lemme see here if I can get a good photo
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Is there something different about Kaya? Is there something unique about her character that causes this level of weirdly obsessive scrutiny and disdain that doesn't apply to these other characters?
    I've been criticizing this PW-centric narrative for years, so no. I merely revived this argument when I noticed the apprehension about which brand new character Kaya was here to kill on a plane we're literally visiting for the first time. I just noticed that Planeswalkers usurping native Legendary Creatures has finally been done in such excess that it's an expectation at this point. After Brago and the Obzedat, it's a reasonable assumption. And with Kaya also violating Planeswalking rules, it exacerbated the criticism. Kaldheim is a plane with gods, and frankly I care more about those unique characters from Norse myth than I do about Planeswalkers we can see anywhere.


    Funny. I don't recall you bringing up these concerns on the thread showing the Zendikar Rising packaging that featured Jace, even though the boy's prominence over and beyond plane-bound characters is just as explicate, perhaps even more-so, than Kaya's prominence over the same.

    *checks old thread*

    Nope. Not a single angry tentacle.
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  • posted a message on Kaldheim packaging
    Quote from Xeruh »
    Er, capitalism doesn’t hold exclusivity of transactions as its own special thing. She’s also an assassin, which tend to earn a lot of money. But she’s clearly not driven by acquiring greater wealth and living off of others labor as a motivation. While I don’t recall it happening given her introduction my impression is she charges what she feels like the client can afford. It just so happens both times she was heading after very high end people with a serious financier behind the request. If anything the fact they seem to be fair trades kind of takes her out of the running for that too.


    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/capitalist

    I was making the argument that she's a capitalist under definition two (2), rather than one (1)

    capitalist noun
    Definition of capitalist (Entry 1 of 2)
    1: a person who has capital especially invested in business
    industrial capitalists
    broadly : a person of wealth : PLUTOCRAT
    Charitable organizations often seek help from capitalists.
    2: a person who favors capitalism

    Motivations matter less than what kind of system the political actor is in support of and advocates. You are correct in that Capitialism is not exclusive in its emphasis upon transactions, yet the way that Kaya frames these contractual relationships in the flavor texts, story narratives and other texts suggests to me at least that she would indeed qualify as a capitalist.

    Furthermore, capitalists do not advocate that a supplier of a good or service would or should charge a price that the buyer *cannot afford if such a supplier was truly mindful of their own self-interest. By definition, if a buyer purchases the good or service from the supplier than the price was fair, as the buyer would not purchase said good or service at a cost higher than the alternative options available or even the cost of maintaining the status quo.

    The concept of fair trade is not incongruent with Capitalists nor Capitalism.

    In short, I think we have different understandings of what it means to be a capitalist. All your other points, particularly those regarding this forum's unfair critique against Kaya is however spot on in my opinion.
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