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  • posted a message on Commander 2019 Theme Speculation
    I like the Planes, Villains, and Archetype Ideas, although the latter would have to do something to make it 'grokable' to newer commander players who are just learning basic mtg themselves. Yawgmoth also deserves a card.

    For the Planes: I am torn between popular and 'more obscure' planes as a concept. While I desire more info and experimentation on account of Wizards to test what is viable for the more obscure planes, as somebody mentioned, fewer reprints to draw upon, though I think Ulgrotha and Kamigawa themselves could be sufficiently retrofitted to modern sensibilities.

    I like Shandalar and Regaltha and I think, given the right treatment, they could be expanded upon in their conceptualization.

    Shandalar is a free-spirited, roaming plane where mana is deeply part of everyday life and land, like Dominaria it has links to Premending History which provides the opportunity to bring back 'Historic' and 'Sagas', while being also similar to Pre-RoE Zendikar in that it appears to be a setting where 'quests' and 'adventuring parties' would be commonplace, which provides the opportunity for mechanics like Quests, Traps and Allies.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from Saandro »
    [quote from="idSurge »" url="/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-storyline/804097-ravnica-allegiance-rna-and-war-of-the-spark-war?comment=73"]


    Kink and fetish deserve appropriate limits and spaces conductive to consent, public health, and the emancipation of human life and expression. They are NOT the celebration of forcibly and prematurely ending any of these, or the failure to take precautions that would limit undue risk and permanent harm. True Freedom therefore requires a level of self-restraint and likewise accountability for one's actions. There's no reason why nontraditional relationships cannot be both fun, spicy and conductive towards self- and other's preservation/lives.


    Jeez dude. It's just a forum for the (increasingly *****ty) story in a children's card game.
    </blockquote>

    1. MTG is actually marketed to a maturer audience than kids, hence why they can push the boundaries a lil with more mature content.

    2. You cared enough about the game that you made an account, and cared enough about the story to comment on the story forum, so What’s your point?

    The issue doesn’t matter to you, that’s fine. But if that’s the point you’re trying to make you’re gonna waste a lot of your time telling people why the stuff they care about doesn’t matter instead of doing what stuff you enjoy and care about.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from idSurge »
    I'm not saying its a reflection of things that are part of our normal. I'm saying that in a fantasy setting, in which we have Demons part of 'normal' society, well considering our own history, I just dont have much difficulty making that leap?
    Quote from KarnTerrier »
    In the latest story, the Azorius were doing everything in their power to arrest Rakdos cultists for even the most trivial crimes, like graffiti. And they were very quick to crack down on more serious crimes like the production, sale, and usage of blight paper (as much as the protagonists view it as a harmless prank, it is a form of torture). Yet they don't do anything to shut down the actual shows or arrest the performers, despite the fact that those shows feature things you'd expect would be illegal (people being burned, flayed, impaled, and so forth). So the performances themselves must be legal, which seems strange but it was probably one of the conditions of the original Guildpact. Presumably there must be some kind of consent on behalf of the victims, even if it's as broad and specious as "anyone entering the performance zone automatically consents to anything the performers may do to them."


    I think these are both good points, in that the Cult of Rakdos as an institution (strangely, it qualifies) likely enjoys some measure of cultural and legal protection that defines where and when the spectacles are deemed 'appropriate' andwith an understanding that even attending an event may remove certain liabilities.


    But as others mentioned/hinted and as I previously said: I think I can empathize with people like Tajic who'd rather see the Cult severely curtailed or even destroyed.


    Kink and fetish deserve appropriate limits and spaces conductive to consent, public health, and the emancipation of human life and expression. They are NOT the celebration of forcibly and prematurely ending any of these, or the failure to take precautions that would limit undue risk and permanent harm. True Freedom therefore requires a level of self-restraint and likewise accountability for one's actions. There's no reason why nontraditional relationships cannot be both fun, spicy and conductive towards self- and other's preservation/lives.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from idSurge »
    Quote from mapccu »
    Quote from idSurge »
    A question mapccu.

    Do/Have you participated in any kind of contact or combat sport?


    Yeah I have. While I haven't done anything at a high level, I do enjoy watching some of the more contact heavy sports like MMA fighting. I just can't equate the rakdos to that though. There is no sportsmanship in how they're depicted imo.


    No, but go back a bit, to the early stuff in Brazil, dog/cock fights, bare knuckle even today. There are shows of masochistic stuff, and it goes on and on. It's not unheard of.

    I can understand the necessity of a healthy kink and fetish community, and as someone who loves to safely and consensually display dominance, as well as combative and aggressive behavior, I think I can safely say that the Cult of Rakdos does not represent well, normalize nor remove the false stereotypes associated with BDSM, extreme sports or combat sports.

    There's not much consent hinted at in much of the Rakdos artwork or flavour text in reference to their audience and crowd 'participants', and even for the cult members, I'm not convinced one can consent to some of the things they do, or have done to themselves or others.
    Safe, Sane, and Consensual are not bywords that seem to matter to the Rakdos, so while I accept that this is a fantasy world and that the Cult likely grew out from the enculturation of the Guilds and protection of the guildpact.

    Risk Aware and Consensual might fit at least the membership participants themselves better but I question one's ability to really accept such terms, then again I'm the guy who thinks an afterlife spent repaying your debt through gaurd-duty and guild-service is appropriate so there could exist arguments that the membership's paticipation somehow could be ok though it still makes me sick.

    People ought not get killed prematurely for pleasure, not thier own or for the pleasure of others. -Also a public health hazaard
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Is Kiora the most expendable planeswalker Wizards has atm?
    I like Kiora. Just as I like many characters of the Gatewatch, They've all grown on me to some extent. Even Jace. Now I realize that Kiora isn't a member of the Gatewatch but I have serious issues when people rag on how much they dislike this character or that guild, because as a game shared by an entire community of gaming and fiction lovers, not everything is gonna be tailored to what you individually like. I know, surprise surprise!


    That doesn't mean one cannot discuss the flaws and problems associated with a character, but rather than just asking why a character or faction is expendable, 'dance with the devil' abit and ask the opposite question:

    What makes <insert personally disliked character or faction here> integral to the story and game? Why might people actually like them?


    I like Kiora. She's not a nice character, or a character without serious flaws, but flawed characters should be what designers aim to create. Furthermore, nobody should represent our views, opinions and normative considerations perfectly, and we need to seriously move beyond the belief that if a person thinks or believe differently than ourselves, then they must be altered and reformed to express our vision of what we want them to be. Kiora is stubborn, belligerent, proud and fierce. She is also familial, daring, and upfront. Kiora understands that sometimes, extreme circumstances warrant similarly extreme measures, and it is pleasure to watch her experience the consequences of that, good and bad.


    Maybe its just my orientation, but I see no sexual fetish in Kiora. Instead I see a brave and flawed character that makes me reflect upon my own qualities and their tradeoffs. Characters and people also change and we haven't had the pleasure of seeing any development in this regard yet for Kiora.

    Contending a character as irrelevant due to being associated with a fetish also encourages a puritan view of sex and sexuality that simply ought not be propagated as some normative standard for all to follow. Now in my opinion, people, identities, and communities shouldn't be fetishized or made to seem sexual objects rather than what they are, people and self-determining agents, but by Ephara people! Get outta people's bedroom!
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Back to current storyline people, that's what this thread is about, my bad. Don't get distracted by my (admittedly) ranting. Ultimately, much of what may cause some to like or dislike the interventionism of oldwalkers, certain interpretations of colour combinations and certain planeswalkers may tie into our various political alignments, cultures and ideologies.

    Certainly my love for Abzan and Orzhov as colour combos stem partly from this. I shamelessly admit that. Moderate Canadian Tory, Elitist, with a slightly-crass mockery towards social conservatism all the way.

    We are all different.

    Oh look over there, is that a War of the Spark!?! I bet there's some surprises coming our way in both game mechanics and story points despite most of us being confidence that the 'power of friendship' will 'win'.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Priest of Forgotten Gods
    Quote from leslak »
    Quote from Yatsufusa »
    Quote from Cainsson »
    I wouldn't put my faith in a god that got trounced by Rakdos without him even noticing.


    Why do you think they were forgotten in the first place, otherwise?

    Also, to be fair to Ravnicans, if your interests doesn't lie in line with the any of ten guilds, you basically suffer as a guildless... at that point of refusal to have faith in any of the ten, arguably the Nephilim are the best non-guild entities to have faith in terms of strength.

    It'll be hilarious if they (the Nephilim) were evolved leftover Eldrazi Spawn/Scion after the Titans were done rebooting the plane into the Ravnica though. Ugin did mention that the Eldrazi operate on a very large scale of time cycles, so realistically if (one-in-a-large-statistic) Spawns/Scions could actually survive/evolve without their parent titan, it would be a ridiculously long process that we wouldn't get to see happen on say, Zendikar/Innistrad.

    As sick as we are of the Eldrazi as "antagonists", I think it'll be awesome to see their impact on every natural plane of existence, especially since they're supposed to transcend it. Eldrazi make for way better as backdrop lore than "antagonists" (or more accurately, plot devices moved around by actual antagonists/oldwalkers if Zendikar/Innistrad were any indication).


    Wizards just want to forget the eldrazi. As much as the "community" like and wanted them to be better, be something more. The titans got burned to death and imprisioned into the silver moon (that is not a bad ending comparated to become a dish for new walker and elves). Lets just hope wotc kills half the gatewatch and makes non planeswalker related stories (having non planeswalkers as the protagonists).

    This Walker era of magic is boring as hell. It started nice: Shards of Alara until Theros-Khans was good storyline material, almost all stories focused on a planeswalker but the plane and some minor non walkers protagonists were a norm. Now everything is gatewatch this, gatewatch that ... (Shadows over Inistrad was the only block story that was not boring as hell, well writhen although Emrakul is behind all was a bit obvious Smile )


    I actually like the Gatewatch though I agree that the game should return to more complex stories and include legendary planebound creatures as oft as possible. Great card.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ethereal Absolution
    Quote from cyberium_neo »
    That is a HUGE loss of Orzhov power lore wise. Most of their power came from contracts that bound the dead to their servitude, now they’re all gone.

    Not that I have any love for Orzhov, but this is the biggest change happened to any of the guild this far. What exactly will happen to Orzhov now?



    We...start over again. After a short cry at the office of course!


    The beauty of an Orzhov mindset is the ability to see the terrible costs that must be paid in any decision of great import, even if that end is arguably "good". One may still decide to pay the cost of course, but few Black and White characters do so incognizant of the repercussions of said choice.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Quote from Flisch »
    On the main plotline revealed by RNA's cards so far, I realized I was in the right guild for me when my first reaction to Kaya's Ethereal Absolution of the indentured Orzhov spirits was TO REEL BACK IN HORROR!!

    It was perhaps the moral thing to do, but not very strategic for the guild's overall wellbeing, Without debt, consequences, and the power that the dead provide for the guild, the Syndicate has lost a lot of power. While I'm all for reforming the guild and making the indentured living and dead's repayment easier and more ennobling, even a shallow understanding of economics points to negative externalities when market forces are so blatantly ignored.

    Wasn't this basically Teysa's reaction as well?

    Personally I like a change to the guilds (and planes in general, nothing is more boring than stagnancy). I just hope they won't do a 180 next return to Ravnica and say "oh while we were gone the Orzhov got spirits back complete with a new Obzedat, lol".


    I think that was her reaction? I'm unsure. Sometimes there's differences between the cards and the actual story but I hope that Wizards has the sense to show complex repercussions of even arguably ethical choices. Complexity in storyline is important, but to be honest, they've tried so hard to make the story approachable and grokable (good things) that the nuance and complexity sometimes just isn't there. Dovin Baan and Azorious the Sphinx's treatment as cardboard villains are cases in point. As is the entire Ixalan Block. I miss my Innistrad with it's Nahiri and Sorin.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Funny, tht the Set which features the Simic has a code abbreviation of RNA Wink
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    Not a Moderator (please don't kill me) but I figured we deserved this Thread.
    As we are not expecting main plotline stories for Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) set anymore than we did GRN, and because much of the War of the Spark (WAR) set's story will be revealed on paperback and through online stories, I figured we could consolidate them no?


    On the main plotline revealed by RNA's cards so far, I realized I was in the right guild for me when my first reaction to Kaya's Ethereal Absolution of the indentured Orzhov spirits was TO REEL BACK IN HORROR!!

    It was perhaps the moral thing to do, but not very strategic for the guild's overall wellbeing, Without debt, consequences, and the power that the dead provide for the guild, the Syndicate has lost a lot of power. While I'm all for reforming the guild and making the indentured living and dead's repayment easier and more ennobling, even a shallow understanding of economics points to negative externalities when market forces are so blatantly ignored.


    And maybe as someone in another thread pointed out, this was Bolas's plan all along. Mass inflation to increase the chaos of the plane. I believe Kaya is onto something and her ethics bears a point but even ethical action can have dangerous, and negative consequences. Road to hell is paved by good intentions.

    Edit: This is a fantasy game. If people willingly sell their souls in a fantasy setting, or neglect to read, or accepts the fine print of undertaking a huge debt, there should be consequences. Duty in the afterlife does not necessarily to be equated to real-world slavery. It is the fulfilment of an obligation, and if our real world is recalcitrant to overly-idealistic conceptions of 'fairness', do not expect these fantasy worlds to be either. The Orzhov need reform, I can get behind that, but there are always costs.


    I may not be an Alt-Right or an Alt-Left queer but I'm a queer whose sick and tired of people 'Evilizing' other people and opinions they don't like. Regardless as to their identities or ideology.



    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from Mullerornis »
    Maro outright confirmed that there are "pro-Bolas" and "anti-Bolas" guilds, two in this set and three in the next. The guilds might have internal conflicts, but some are completely within his control.


    That’s...not exactly what he said.

    Maro confirmed that 5 Guilds would fall to Bolas but he also wrote of contrary movements within the guilds.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from Gutterstorm »
    To Little, To Late.

    Ugh on Dovin...seems like their throwing a character under the bus because he didnt bow down and worship at the Gatewatch's Feet...we should be able to have characters disagree with the Gatewatch without being made into Villains. Not everyone agreeded with or liked everything Urza did and they weren't all turned into Villains.


    Antagonist and villain are not the same. We have no reason to think that Baan is working directly for Bolas. He is working with Tezz. Which is a reasonable explanation for Ral as well. We have no evidence that either of them have actually met with Bolas or have any idea what the things they’ve been working on are actually for. As far as we have evidence of they’ve only interacted with Tezz.


    Here is how Dovin is in the mix.

    Tezzeret : *poofs into Dovin's office* "Hey you know those Gatewatch guys who said no to helping provide security for you, then showed up to ruin your fair and cause a revolution? You want to annoy the crap out of them?"

    Dovin : "Sweet lets go."


    More likely that Tezzeret threw Dovin under the bus by telling Dovin to follow him to a ‘safe’ plane should things go wrong on Kaladesh- that plane being Bolas’ meditation realm.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from 5colors »
    Some news about how the magic story is going forward, to sum up;
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/what-expect-magic-story-2018-10-09

    -They are looking to expand and play with magics stories through different mediums.

    -Exploring worlds that aren't the focus of the current card set. This also lets them do more with the sorties since they aren't bound by the needs of the set.

    -Reminder that Greg Weisman is writing two novels about the Gatewatch/Bolas conflict and a comic featuring Chandra by Vita Ayala and art by Harvey Tolibao will be out next month.

    -Announcing that Greg Weisman will also write the web fiction for Milk as well.

    -Finally Jay Annelli or Jay13x on here who has worked hard to bring us sourced story summaries and keeping track of the story through out the years, as been brought in as a consultant to help keep continuity.


    Congratulations Jay!
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Autumn in Guilds of Ravnica?
    Quote from Caranthir »
    Quote from Mullerornis »
    Its a seasonal block, Autumn being Bolas arrival, Winter the apex of his power and Spring his death.

    Pretty ironic too, since he thinks of himself as the sun.



    Yeah, but have they said anywhere that Allegiance is winter? Because the spoiled Allegiance images for (shock?)lands does not seem winter-y at all (Stomping Ground and Hallowed Fountain, the rest are indoors).


    My thoughts as well. We are jumping the gun. Nobody has said the next set is winter themed
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
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