The Limited Archetypes of Guilds of Ravnica
 
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from Yatsufusa »
    I do hope Project Lightning Bug sheds some light on Ravnican history. As much as my stand on Azor now is "he's still worse than Jace because he had omnipotent powers back then and effectively used them to set-up systems that oppressed populations of sentient "lesser beings" while avoiding the responsibility needed to maintain them" (yes I know the Guildpact eventually bit him back, but I'm referring to responsibility born out of self-discipline, not out of a Magical Pact you stupidly cast to be capable of punishing yourself for said lack of self-discipline). I doubt anything will ever take the "stupid" out of the "Lawful-Stupid" alignment I gave Azor (the entire guildpact system was just poorly designed for someone of his power), but the History of Ravnica (pre-guilds) might be the crux to make his "Lawful" side seem better at the very least.

    We know the first Guildpact effectively banned walking to/from the plane entirely and that might be exactly why Bolas wanted Lightning Bug. While more meta and not directly stated in the story yet, WotC did mention the plane to be a main hub and considering the focus on planeswalkers currently, it could easily tie to Ravnica's history and why the First Guildpact isolated the plane.

    While we can never confirm Bolas's plans until he gloats about it, The Immortal Sun and Eternals might drop some hints and the History of Ravnica might also reinforce it. Bolas wants to harvest sparks to power himself back and Ravnica is the key to creating the prison for doing so because of its properties, the same way Ugin deemed Zendikar ideal for trapping the Titans. You can't have a prison be a livable place like the plane currently is, so this entire war is just a facade for him to cause as much destruction without having to exert his own forces (very Bolas thing to do), he'll save the Eternals to torture the planeswalkers he imprisons on the plane afterwards. I know I'm pushing the use of the Eternals a bit awkwardly, but when Bolas first arrived on Amonkhet post-mending, he did mention the whole hurried scheme was part of his plan to regain power, so they have to fit somewhere (now that "harvesting the leylines" wasn't the plan which I initially thought was during Amonkhet).

    As lame as it sounds, Lightning Bug is probably a number-tracker for Bolas, since Bolas himself isn't too sure how well Ravnica attracts walkers, since it hasn't been that long since the first Guildpact was broken (and any history before that isn't that accessible).


    If there was ever a set to feature generic Planeswalkers, perhaps not as cards but in the art of the spells and summoned creatures, the third set would be the perfect time.

    Think of it. In the game we ARE Planeswalkers, dueling, touring and experiencing. But the lore has never done a good job at highlighting this.

    What if this is the first story WE get to participate in? Fighting a war against or on behalf of Bolas?

    I mean if each lightning strike of the project symbolizes a Planeswalker entering or leaving the plane, and this is described as a storm the like of which has not happened ‘since a thousand years’, it can’t be just recording the movement of team Gatewatch or team Bolas, or just known Planeswalkers.

    If Wizards actually did this, I would applaud and crow.

    This is it! In this ‘block’ are all Avengers!
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    On a different topic:

    We have another UR story spotlight which relates to project Lightning Bug. I am dubious however that it’d be part of Bolas’s ritual to godhood, as it seems to be more like a monitoring system but you never know.

    Seems like Bolas desires a critical mass of planeswalkers. Scary.

    Ravnica becomes again the setting of an all out Planeswalker war.

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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Well, Nicol Bolas is pretty much a star. I'd be left pretty perplexed if a blue planeswalker didn't know what is Nicol Bolas. What I mean is: you meet a dragon planeswalker who hires you and you don't go around searching for informations about him before getting a paycheck? Then we learn he is aware he works for Bolas. And now there is a flavour text in which he does not know why he "feels like a pawn". I see this as bananas. Unless he is really THIS stupid, or really THAT brainwashed (or the flavour text writer got bananas himself).

    The obscenity of having evil intents only in red and black is long passed, we are exploring villains in every colour combination. I personally think the orthodoxy of Baan is a perfect push towards evil. But I might be alone in this. Also, taking the last moment on the Heart of Kiran: he destroyed the sole weapon the rebels had and adviced them to make an emergency evacuation. Now, rebels were A LOT in Ghirapur at that time, what did he expect to follow to a surrendering? Everything at peace? Heavy punishments with executions would have occured. That would have meant the loss of a lot of citizens for the sake of "order", not the sake of the kaladeshi (who would be decimated disappearing under hoods, etc...). If he thinks he is doing this for the sake of people, it's his own delusion. Because the only difference between Kaladesh before and after the rebellion is the nature of the order reigning (nothing worsen in the fate of kaladeshi, if anything it improves). It's not a matter of order/anarchy, it's just that it's not THE ORDER HE WANT THEM TO HAVE. This is why I think of him as a fundamentalist and a villain (also a bit psychotic).

    Dovin is also considered a villain by MaRo.


    I have a problem with the word villain; it implies too much and as Maro is just one voice within the company (and frequently only gets the broadstrokes of the storyline correct) I wouldn’t call him a reputable source.

    Dovin Baan is, currently, best understood as an antagonist, as it is unlikely that there’d be much love between he and the Gatewatch at this moment, and they are the protagonists.

    This doesn’t make him evil, and I’d argue that you don’t really understand the definition of Psychopathy by the way in which you use the words surrounding it.

    Moreover, antagonism works better as there are revealing elements to his character that show he is very much concerned with minimizing damage to both people and infrastructure. Not all antagonists are “villianous”, “psychotic” or whatever other words simple people desire to paint their opponents as.

    What makes Dovin Baan appealing is not that his actions or motives are seen by most of the audience as completely ‘ethical’ (troublesome word that), but that he is genuine, selfless, constructive and well affable. There can even be seen a kind of nobility in his basic desire for order.

    I am much confused as to my generation’s hypocrisy in denouncing orderliness as achieved by incongruent methods, while praising or not simultaneously denouncing revolutionaries and “freedom” fighters whose means are likewise troubled.
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  • posted a message on Tribal elves a thing?
    We already have a lot of elf support from Dominaria and Core19, in addition to lots of Tribal goodies from Ixalan.

    Looking at all the Golgari and Selesnya Elf Support from Guilds of Ravnica, is there a basis for a semi-competitive elf ball deck in standard?
    Moving to New Card Discussion because that's where new cards get discussed until the full set is spoiled. - hoser2
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from OathboundOne »
    Quote from Xeruh »
    It probably will be Dovin, which sucks. He really has no business being a full on villain. It's not like he's evil in any way. At least I'll get another card for him in all likelihood.
    Sums up my feelings perfectly. I really loved his character in Kaladesh, and would(will) hate to see it get assassinated by relegating him to being a Bolas pawn. Bad enough they already did/are doing that with Ral Zarek.


    Yes, I did mean Aurelia in my last post.

    It’s possible that Dovin was tricked by Tezz and followed him to some plane where he got his independence crushed by Bolas. Tragic.
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  • posted a message on Guild Champions and Leaders revealed in Guildgate Flavortext?
    Poor Mirko Vosk. RIP
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Does anyone else think it strange how they switched Tajic and Razia’s sentiments towards the other guilds?

    See both guildgates

    Tajic is now anti cooperation where once he was willing to work with Teysa.

    Razia was usually the more combative figure as seen in her treatment of Feather.
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    The story for Guilds of Ravnica and Ravnica Allegiance will likely not feature the Gatewatch as it takes place concurrently with the Events of Ixalan and Dominaria.

    But the third act will heavily feature the protagonists and antagonists.

    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/guild-order-part-1-2018-09-10

    Edit: 5Colors beat me to it. Clearly I gotta work on my timing XD
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from OathboundOne »
    Quote from Xeruh »
    I like the new walker, though I wonder what exactly she will do. Not really complaining about a new female, though I wish we had less humans.

    This is my main feeling on it as well. I don't really care that we're getting so many new female walkers, just... more humans? (my earlier "obligatory" comment was largely tongue-in-cheek.

    Take Commander 2018: 1 male non-human, and 3 human females. Saheeli is an existing character, so she's fine. Aminatou I guess they had a specific sort of picture in mind of, cool. Estrid... was there ANY reason Estrid couldn't have been ANY other species? (For the record, the Estrid deck was/is the one that appealed to me the most, but I find Estrid herself incredibly bland and like both of the other Bant generals better than her. Being non-human would have made her more interesting to me.)


    We are getting so many generic Female Human planeswalkers because they are trying to churn out as many females for some sort of stupid balance of male and female so they don't have any time to create a diverse set of lady walkers so for every Aminatou we get we get 4 Hualtli/Estrid/Not Doctor Strangess/Werewolf Lady whose name I don't care to remember.


    I don’t believe there is any correlation between a Planeswalker being bland and being a human female.

    Estrid’s character was poor because the character was revamped late, once Tamiyo was understood to not work for the design.

    Hauatli was actually refreshing particularly once we saw her naivety and cultural bias expand and shatter. The real problem with Ixalan was that it’s story was too overshadowed by real Colonialism to give all the factions proper greyness, and as a result encouraged bias.

    We don’t know enough about “not doctor strange” to critique her character.

    In fact the only recent female human planeswalker to annoy me deeply is Vivian. And that’s mostly because she reminds me both of a Environmental Knight Templar and of how problematic Ixalan was.

    I am excited that more women are able to see themselves in the game, and that Wizards is expanding their market.
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  • posted a message on Prerelease kits will have a seeded booster
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    Quote from Xcric »
    i wish more of it was seeded than just one pack. i remember the last time we were on ravnica i really wanted to play golgari, picked the golgari kit... and.. ended up having to play rakdos.


    Funny I wound up doing the reverse. Picked the Rakdos kit, wound up playing Golgari. Abrupt Decay will do that. :p


    In Gatecrash I picked Orzhov and luckily had the resources to play it.

    A pity Gatecrash was a bit too fast of a limited format.
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  • posted a message on Tajic (pic)
    Quote from Saandro »
    That's some really ugly, overdesigned gear.


    Maybe the Boros’ proclivity for fur and extra shiny armour is the equivalent of today’s leather love?

    Sheez. The ramifications. They even mentor each other.
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  • posted a message on Core 2019 General Discussion
    Clicked on the article, started to read it, didn’t finish.

    I’m just not into Vivien.

    Green has been said to be one of the hardest colours to empathize with and write. Yet I’m finding that I prefer Amonkhet Nissa, Garruk, Ajani or Xenagos over her.

    Dunno.
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from Urabrask »
    We know that Firemind's Research is a story spotlight card and if we look at the promo we might see why. I could be totally off, but it could be Bolas using his manipulations, like we saw in the M19 story to influence Niv, by acting like him talking to himself, tempting him.


    I wondered if that card was a story spotlight yet I couldn’t figure out what it was trying to depict given that there was no flavour text and Niv’s experiments are often complicated and hard to describe even at best.
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Oh reminder of Nissa vision on amonkhet

    Niv mizzit (or a dragon that resembles him) will fall

    So probably ral over throwns niv is probably what happens


    I thought about this too, and would make sense. If there was ever a block in which to throw away the prevalence of the return to the Status Quo, it’s Nicol Bolas meets Ravnican Guilds.

    Strangely, I think their mood for Ravnica reflects growing hostilities and sociopolitical instability that is being felt nowadays.

    We will all choose our guild, then deal with the fallout that comes when we put party, creed or identity above shared survival.

    The Gatewatch will win. But it shall be a Pyrrhic victory.
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  • posted a message on (GRN) Guilds of Ravnica General Discussion
    Apparently GRN has loosely adopted a Film or City Noir theme.

    I am unfamiliar with this genre. What should we expect?
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