Additionally, the mythos that Magic -does- have is that multiple universes exist and the player/planeswalkers pull creatures and spells through time and space to use them to do battle. Dipping into other IPs is 100% unequivocally exactly what Magic is already about, and arguments to the contrary are disingenuous and misinformed at best.
Well that's incredibly wrong.
No, it's not. As that's literally how WotC/Hasbro has their copyright filed. That is their literal canonical mechanics, as reiterated as recently as 2020 by marketing materials. You're now at the point of literally sitting telling us how great Magic lore is, and then telling is that the lore of Magic is 100% wrong as compared to your personal headcanon.
This one killed me. On a crusade to defend the honor of Magic's lore, and literally knows so little about Magic's lore that he winds up attacking it himself. I'M DEAD.
Some of you need to analyze your thoughts about 'HATE'
'Hate' is a strong feeling and word.
MLK said 'Let no man pull you low enough to hate him'
Hate is what brings evil and breeds *****ty people.
Its a freaking card game. People been making 'Fake Cards' of like Superman and Wolverine and Batman for like ..years..HELL , INQUEST MAGAZINE did it themselves back in the day ..they had fake cards printed up in the back of the Magazine for years!! You can search them up and everything.
OH no ..they are making cards with other things on them. Oh well. Be the consumers you know you are if you don't like them ..and not buy them. And if you're playing against them in Commander? Freaking make better decks! Make decks that they don't wanna play against either! Or HECK have some common sense and communicate!
Some people here are gonna start tweeting Maro and all the people in Magic they can ...and then they'll get blocked and think that because they got blocked or some ***** that its a 'Win'
Sometimes ...when I was younger I always wondered why us nerds got picked on and beaten up ...the freaking way that some of you have been acting? I can see why there's a bit of that still today.
You know members of WotC staff received death threats over TWD? I expect they've already gotten a few more over UB, and that says a lot about the mentality of people who are upset about it. The amount of energy folks are putting into trying (and failing) to explain why this is a bad thing is mind-boggling.
Makes me afraid for how nasty and childish games are going to get in public spaces after lockdowns are lifted.
Holy hell, literally none of your arguments make any sort of sense, I'm not even sure where to begin. You really, really just want people to believe this is a bad thing for some reason and can't find a way to back it up. I very much don't understand the level of hate y'all have for this thing that objectively does no harm to you in any way. To live in a world so serene where a company daring to pander to anyone other than you for a millisecond is enough to raise your hackles this much... I can't imagine ever having that level of privilege.
By all means have at it, the majority of folks will be over here enjoying cool new cards just like the majority of folks were actually quite happy with previous crossovers if you look at sales data instead of angry Facebook posts during a time when everyone had nothing better to do.
Seems to me that it's far more likely that fans of LotR and 40k are more likely to buy the cards that feature their favorite characters, scenes, etc. to collect more of the thing they love rather than learning to play the game that they are featured on. I'm sure many in those fandoms are of the nerdy variety and know Magic exists, likely having seen it played at some point. I don't believe Magic incorporating these franchises will bring in new players, but instead just extra buyers.
This feels more like a quick way to get some cash in the short term while forgoing the long term, I base this on Magic's current personality in the last couple of years. There are FAR more quick FOMO kind of products than ever. This kind of attitude I feel is hurting the game, and based on the bannings and the card power lately that is my evidence.
Exactly.
It is 100% a corporate sellout by Hasbro of the existing player base that wants MtG to be and stay MtG. They don’t give a damn about people who have been invested in the game for a long time, sometimes even 25+ years, as long as they can grab the quick cash from the latest generation of un-invested casuals and the growing group of conformist snowflakes within current MtG player base.
And just to point out, reading the forum of the miniature hobby forum I’m also active at it has become crystal clear most Warhammer 40K players think “Magic has no story anyway so having Space Marines in their universe doesn’t make a difference”. That is the kind of new people that will be attracted to the game and you’ll have sit down with you at a Commander table.
I don't understand this position. These new toys take ABSOLUTELY NOTHING away from existing players. Fun and enjoyment is not a zero-sum game. This adds something new and nice for crossover fans and fans of the other IPs, attracting new blood to the game (which is an objectively good thing).
As to the comments you're referencing: they're not wrong. Magic's story/universe is absolute garbage compared to the IPs we'll soon be dipping into. Additionally, the mythos that Magic -does- have is that multiple universes exist and the player/planeswalkers pull creatures and spells through time and space to use them to do battle. Dipping into other IPs is 100% unequivocally exactly what Magic is already about, and arguments to the contrary are disingenuous and misinformed at best.
-These cards will be legal.
-Everyone will have access to them.
-No player has the right to force another player to play the game their way.
-Any player may immediately leave any game they choose.
If you're butthurt about someone playing one of the thousands of cards legal in format (XYZ) you're absolutely within your rights to get up and leave. You are in no way allowed to force other people to do jack *****, and chances are that all of the reasonable people at your table are just going to stick around and enjoy a fun game of EDH with the cool new cards while you sulk off on your own. Then you're stuck in the position where you need to insert yourself into another table and repeat the process of trying to force them to play the game your way and potentially failing.
And for what gain? Ask yourself what you even hope to accomplish by gatekeeping certain cards out of the games you're in. Are you the RC now? Are these cards really hurting you? Is your mild annoyance more important than the joy of others, or even your own ability to play the game with the average person?
It would be so wrong to not allow the “universe beyond” cards in game stores/play groups of commander just because some people can't accept fact that mtg is finally after 20 years joining the cross-over trend in a form of black border and countless companies have done cross-over
basicly It wouldn't be fair for the new players of this generation of magic that’s why I’m willing to adapt if this is what it’s becoming
so you want a solution just convince the rules committee to make two different commander formats one with the UB cards with mtg cards and one without UB cards
You're absolutely correct here.
WotC isn't doing anything wrong with products like this; it'll make many TONS of people happy, and bring a bunch more players into the fold. It will also make a for-profit company money, so they can keep making the game we love, just like every set ever printed. These are good things. If people want to be petulant, gatekeeping brats about a children's card game then they won't be missed from the tables adults are playing at and having a blast with the new cards
ngl, I would really hate this proposed format. Lots of completely fair cards banned for no reason (which is a problem with the current RC), entire strategies hated out of the format, everyone pigeonholed into playing big dumb stompy decks? Too much interaction specifically cited as a problem with the game? Nah fam, no thanks, that's boring as hell.
My current problem with the format is that the banlist makes no sense in any dimension, and this idea would only exacerbate that.
Fun fact: The lands Secret Lairs have been some of the best investments in the lot. Turns out that when people hem and haw about paying $6 a land, while other folks want enough copies to play EDH with, supply and demand create $15-30 islands
Yikes, I knew MTGS had a super toxic community, but I thought at least it was beyond outright racism. Ffs guys, if a traditionally oppressed group getting a little light pandering during a month dedicated to them really gets your panties in a twist please look inside yourself and think about why you feel that way.
This product is great so far. Excellent art, solid (if not particularly highly desirable) card picks, and a good cause. They'd have to include a bunch of serious duds from here on to scuttle the box.
Tragic the pandering. More woke dollar milking for people to virtue signal with.
Really bruh? All of the proceeds are going to charity and the art so far is pretty damn slick. This is what the last charity box should've been, why you hating?
Have any of you even played the deck? Its really, really inconsistent, and also incredibly vulnerable to disruption. Is it game-ending when it works? Sure. Does it work more often than it fails? Hahahano.
If your deck is completely unplayable unless your opener wins a ~26% chance lottery, your opponent can end you with a counterspell, and even if you're not interrupted you have a ~20% chance of spending two cards to do absolutely nothing, you're not winning a tournament any time soon unless you've got the luck of Seth Manfield.
Again, is it backbreaking when it works? Yeah. Does it usually work? No, no it does not. Without calculating for whether an opponent has interaction, you're looking at roughly a 20.8% chance of going off.
And that's for the standard version. The modern numbers are even worse, since you're hard-locked into drawing outburst or bust. The deck is baaaaaad.
This one killed me. On a crusade to defend the honor of Magic's lore, and literally knows so little about Magic's lore that he winds up attacking it himself. I'M DEAD.
You know members of WotC staff received death threats over TWD? I expect they've already gotten a few more over UB, and that says a lot about the mentality of people who are upset about it. The amount of energy folks are putting into trying (and failing) to explain why this is a bad thing is mind-boggling.
Makes me afraid for how nasty and childish games are going to get in public spaces after lockdowns are lifted.
By all means have at it, the majority of folks will be over here enjoying cool new cards just like the majority of folks were actually quite happy with previous crossovers if you look at sales data instead of angry Facebook posts during a time when everyone had nothing better to do.
I don't understand this position. These new toys take ABSOLUTELY NOTHING away from existing players. Fun and enjoyment is not a zero-sum game. This adds something new and nice for crossover fans and fans of the other IPs, attracting new blood to the game (which is an objectively good thing).
As to the comments you're referencing: they're not wrong. Magic's story/universe is absolute garbage compared to the IPs we'll soon be dipping into. Additionally, the mythos that Magic -does- have is that multiple universes exist and the player/planeswalkers pull creatures and spells through time and space to use them to do battle. Dipping into other IPs is 100% unequivocally exactly what Magic is already about, and arguments to the contrary are disingenuous and misinformed at best.
-These cards will be legal.
-Everyone will have access to them.
-No player has the right to force another player to play the game their way.
-Any player may immediately leave any game they choose.
If you're butthurt about someone playing one of the thousands of cards legal in format (XYZ) you're absolutely within your rights to get up and leave. You are in no way allowed to force other people to do jack *****, and chances are that all of the reasonable people at your table are just going to stick around and enjoy a fun game of EDH with the cool new cards while you sulk off on your own. Then you're stuck in the position where you need to insert yourself into another table and repeat the process of trying to force them to play the game your way and potentially failing.
And for what gain? Ask yourself what you even hope to accomplish by gatekeeping certain cards out of the games you're in. Are you the RC now? Are these cards really hurting you? Is your mild annoyance more important than the joy of others, or even your own ability to play the game with the average person?
You're absolutely correct here.
WotC isn't doing anything wrong with products like this; it'll make many TONS of people happy, and bring a bunch more players into the fold. It will also make a for-profit company money, so they can keep making the game we love, just like every set ever printed. These are good things. If people want to be petulant, gatekeeping brats about a children's card game then they won't be missed from the tables adults are playing at and having a blast with the new cards
Fantastic idea, these product are going to sell like ******* hotcakes
My current problem with the format is that the banlist makes no sense in any dimension, and this idea would only exacerbate that.
This product is great so far. Excellent art, solid (if not particularly highly desirable) card picks, and a good cause. They'd have to include a bunch of serious duds from here on to scuttle the box.
Really bruh? All of the proceeds are going to charity and the art so far is pretty damn slick. This is what the last charity box should've been, why you hating?
If your deck is completely unplayable unless your opener wins a ~26% chance lottery, your opponent can end you with a counterspell, and even if you're not interrupted you have a ~20% chance of spending two cards to do absolutely nothing, you're not winning a tournament any time soon unless you've got the luck of Seth Manfield.
Again, is it backbreaking when it works? Yeah. Does it usually work? No, no it does not. Without calculating for whether an opponent has interaction, you're looking at roughly a 20.8% chance of going off.
And that's for the standard version. The modern numbers are even worse, since you're hard-locked into drawing outburst or bust. The deck is baaaaaad.
White: Please sir, something, anything!
WotC: Our hands are tied.
Blue: *laughs in Ascendant Spirit*
Red: *laughs in Tibalt's Trickery*
Black: *laughs in Feed the Swarm*
Green: *laughs in literally every green card printed these days*
White: But sir... *points to other colors*
WotC: OUR. HANDS. ARE. TIED.
I had a super-tuned $10k planeswalker deck for a long time and while it was fun, it always fell apart when aggression happened.