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  • posted a message on Oran-Rief Ooze and Phantom Steed interaction
    Nope! You're correct. Putting something in tapped and attacking circumvents attack triggers.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Commander Banned and unbanned announcemnt

    Now everything else in your post made sense, but this point doesn't. WotC does massively unpopular things all the time in order to make money. If they thought that taking control of Commander would help them make money, they wouldn't start by somehow infiltrating, bribing, or coercing the RC into banning the most popular commander in the format. They'd just take it over and be done with it. At least, that's what seems most likely to me.


    I know this is the prevailing thought, but its tragically untrue. The folks at WotC really do care, much more than the RC does at least, they just don't always hit the mark. Discussions with multiple members of R&D and playtesting have yielded the same impression (thinly veiled by NDA-safe equivocating): They dearly want to take over the format, but they're petrified that there will be an enormous backlash from a small but vocal section of the playerbase. At the end of the day they can tell Sheldon to do whatever they want (and have, look at the Unstable amnesty) but they refuse to take that last big step until its obvious that they'll not get torched on social media for it.

    And they're not wrong in this thinking, remember how childish and stupid Mitch got after UB, and how he and other influencers tried to rip the format in half in their froth?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Commander Banned and unbanned announcemnt
    The fact that anyone thinks Golos is banworthy really makes me feel like we're playing completely different games.

    Is he strong? Eh. He's just a ramp/value engine for a durdly deck. Which is what average players always profess to want out of a game of EDH. I played him for a while and he was fun but not broken.

    If he were broken I could see some validity to the argument that he smothers diversity (ie: if he were the best option for 5c commander) but since he's just a solid catch-all commander that doesn't do any one thing particularly well there's TONS of more effective options for almost every conceivable strategy.

    If you want to be competitive you play Kenrith or Najeela.

    If you want to play tribal you play Morophon.

    If you want to be aggressive you play Scion or maybe Slivers.

    If you want to play dragons you play Ur Dragon or Tiamat.

    If you want to ramp and durdle, yeah I guess you play Golos.

    Golos is never about doing the most broken thing, that's not what he does. So I don't see him being the most popular commander as a result of his power level, I see it as a result of casual EDH players just loving ramp and durdle strategies. And there's nothing wrong with that, so why take away casual players' toys? The ban just seems gratuitous, and as much as I hate 'spirit of the format' arguments, removing Golos looks an awful lot like a dagger aimed directly at the 'spirit of the format' and any other explanation feels disingenuous.

    To indulge in some conspiracy theory:

    Coupled with a Worldfire unban, which is definitely against the 'spirit of the format' as the RC lays it out (regardless of the fact that the card is bad), I'm curious as to whether this announcement is setting the stage for something greater. The ban/unban both coming out of left field with no valid explanation for either, and the way both seem almost specifically designed to piss off the playerbase makes me think maybe this is the first salvo in the RC sabotaging its own reputation so that WotC can finally swoop in and fix the format without enraging the more petulant and vocal members of their consumer base.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Deck price should be a major discussion point when talking about Rule 0 for Commander.
    This doesn't seem to solve any sort of problem, and would go a long way towards stigmatizing players with expensive decks which is already an enormous problem in the EDH community. Sounds like a lose-lose proposition, not sure why anyone would pick up this proposed format other than to pull from thin air an argument to bully specific players out of the playgroup.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Reserved List
    Quote from Simto »
    Quote from Nutrun »
    There is no veracity to that rumor at all. As others have said, this rumor constantly circulates, and if there was any confirmation about the absolution of it, we would be hearing more specific details. Any rumor that states "The Reserved List may be abolished soon" without any specific details or coming from a well-known person in the MTG community should be considered nonsense.

    TCGPlayer has an article about the history of the Reserved List and the last time Wizards was close to abolishing it.
    https://infinite.tcgplayer.com/article/The-MTG-Reserved-List-a-History/107d4d3d-ee50-4d0b-bf6f-f7684b7e5476


    And why they decide, at last, to not abolish it?

    My guess, like every other decision they make, is money.


    In a roundabout way, yes. The situation can be broken down as such:

    1) WotC made a completely non-binding promise not to reprint the cards on the list
    2) WotC, as was their right, went back on that promise repeatedly via editing the list and using 'loopholes' to reprint cards
    3) WotC wanted to revisit the list one last time in order to abolish it
    4) WotC consulted with members of the community as well as their corporate lawyers to see what people wanted as well as what was legally allowed
    5) The community as a whole came out in favor of abolition
    6) WotC, without further explanation, said that they would not ever be touching the list again and that they were not allowed to say why

    Some additional information about the legal situation:

    1) Folks throw around the term 'Promissory Estoppel' as a reason that people might sue WotC over abolition of the list. Definition: "Within contract law, promissory estoppel refers to the doctrine that a party may recover on the basis of a promise made when the party's reliance on that promise was reasonable, and the party attempting to recover detrimentally relied on the promise." In other words, if people made investments based on the idea that they'd never lose value because the cards couldn't be reprinted, they could sue.
    2) This concept is a joke and would be thrown out in court, specifically in this case because removing the reserved list would actually increase the value of most peoples' collections due to increased interest (as shown repeatedly with high-value reprints of incredibly low-supply cards), and more often than not original printings of cards hold value regardless of reprints because of their collectible status. The key bit in proving Promissory Estoppel is that there ACTUALLY HAS TO BE FINANCIAL DAMAGE, which would not occur outside of a small window where the investors themselves panic dump their positions and temporarily deflate prices before they skyrocket back up due to renewed interest. The plaintiffs would also need to have kept detailed records and prove intent to rely upon said promise. There is 0% chance anyone would win such a case.
    3) Corporate lawyers are not paid to win court cases. They are paid to keep a company out of court entirely.
    4) Regardless of the 100% chance that WotC would win any litigation regarding the reserved list, they would in fact have to go to court in the first place which is a big no-no for corporate lawyers.
    5) Corporate lawyers almost always have clauses in their contracts to prevent their clients from citing them in business decisions, for fear of a bad decision (like the one in question here) following them through their career.

    If you piece all of the above together, regardless of how good it would be for the game, a Hasbro lawyer said 'no' and now WotC has to suck it up and they can't even come out and tell us why due to contracts. Meanwhile, investors get to make free money with no downside risk, soaking up large chunks of the supply do the detriment of the player base.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Planechase Commander? Hint from WotC Survey
    I'd be down for some other new 'big card' format, hell the best of the best has always been Vanguard, bring that back why don'tcha! It was basically commander before commander, I'm sure it would be a huge success if they started slowly reprinting them with some new additions.


    If we bring Vanguard back, everybody will just play Titania or Tawnos, because they are the most powerful, immediate and most versatile vanguards ever for every type of deck. All the other ones are unplayable garbage compared to them. I know because I tested Vanguards with friends for years and literally everybody always choose Titania or Tawnos in the end.

    Eventually I solved by making more balanced and fun custom vanguards myself, because the existing ones are either unplayable or so broken everybody just choose the same all the time for all the decks.

    If WotC ever bring back Vanguard it needs an official banlist and new cards that are actually balanced but worth to play


    I can dig it. You're right that the original batch were pretty unbalanced and probably not playtested lol.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Planechase Commander? Hint from WotC Survey
    Quote from Melriken »
    Quote from Cranky »
    Please god no, Planechase is a nightmare and once the novelty wears off everyone who has ever tried it grows to hate it. Deckbuilding and skill are completely negated and it becomes all about who rolls better and which random plane helps who the most. I collected every deck to acquired every plane as they were released, including promos, and I can say unequivocally that there hasn't been a worse variant format to date.
    Agreed...

    games fall into one of two catagories... Either the plane doesn't really mater at all and it was all a waste of time/mana or... someone gets a 7/7 annihilate 1 on turn 1 (or a legendary eldrazi or similar from their deck) and kirbstomps the table... or in a 'good' case the turn order gets reversed just before the player to go last gets their turn on the second or third time around the table... and has no fun at all...

    or something goes really wrong and everyone loses there hand or something super early (before some players even get a turn).

    All of the worst games of magic I have played were Planechase games...

    I would rather see Archenemy or Horde come back, or something new.


    Almost exactly my experience with it. Archenemy is honestly fine, but its impossible to balance for even a modest range of power levels. At low power levels the archenemy is a god, while at moderate to high they're a joke.

    I'd be down for some other new 'big card' format, hell the best of the best has always been Vanguard, bring that back why don'tcha! It was basically commander before commander, I'm sure it would be a huge success if they started slowly reprinting them with some new additions.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Dominaria United and Kamigawa Neon Dynasty - New Sets 2022?
    Quote from Grixh »
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    by the way i saw someone said slivers are casual?

    did something hit your head i seen slivers win less than 3 turns i know because 1 i play them 2 i seen it from other players.


    They said "most popular in casual," which is definitely true. They're a very small portion of the competitive meta in a couple formats, but quite popular outside tournaments.


    Slivers are the definition of 'tribe casual players are obsessed with,' specifically in that they're the epitome of the style of gameplay where if your opponent doesn't interact with you or do something powerful, you just kinda get to go off. The stuff of dreams for Timmys the world over, hence the wildly inflated prices for key pieces. I've known a few sliver EDH players, and if they get left alone they become pretty inexorable but a well-placed piece of interaction or (god forbid) a wrath makes them leave the game immediately.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Planechase Commander? Hint from WotC Survey
    Please god no, Planechase is a nightmare and once the novelty wears off everyone who has ever tried it grows to hate it. Deckbuilding and skill are completely negated and it becomes all about who rolls better and which random plane helps who the most. I collected every deck to acquired every plane as they were released, including promos, and I can say unequivocally that there hasn't been a worse variant format to date.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Is This Format Too Dependent on Online Resources?
    Nope. I've been playing EDH since it came to the contiguous states from Alaska, and online resources have DRAMATICALLY increased the enjoyment people get out of the format. Pretty objectively a positive influence and in no way a problem I'd say.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on July 2021 Commander Rules Committee Update
    Sorry, I play interaction in my decks, I know that's not common.

    Is it obnoxious when my opponents play Hullbreacher into my Brainstorm or in combination with a wheel? Well yeah, that's the idea. Not going to cry like an infant when someone interacts with my card draw or plays a combo that doesn't even end the game, especially when a single piece of removal or a counterspell stops it neatly.

    Card is good. Card was fun to play and play against. Card will be missed.

    (Card should've definitely been white though, yes)
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on July 2021 Commander Rules Committee Update
    Once again proving that the RC is wildly out of touch and shouldn't be trusted with managing the health of the format. Sad day Frown
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from mikeyG »
    Quote from Dontrike »
    The Professor puts some of the comments about this product in a much more eloquent way (in this video) and why many of us here, me included, do not look forward to these products or the direction the game is going.


    It's a great video, and made me think a lot about the capitalistic angle. My main reason for not feeling UB was the immersion element, it just not 'feeling' right, but the closer examination of UB as a business practice really made me look at it in that light. We have heard "MtG is dead/dying" arguments for decades, though I can appreciate what makes this particular scenario different and why there's a lot of pessimism around UB's impact on the game.


    I generally find that Brian, <mod snip>, is not a good endorsement to have for your side of a discussion :/

    UB will bring more players into the game, and make WotC more money so that they can pay the people who make this game we all love. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to buy it, but a lot of people will and there's nothing wrong with that.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Quote from Ernart »
    Quote from Cranky »
    Just assume these are MTG cards with an Orica over them.

    It just annoys me that Kamigawa or water world or other MTG-specific requests require all these hoops but UB isn't a problem. Money talks I suppose. But it doesn't bother me. I doubt they'll incorporate a franchise I like. We'll see. Should have known Secret Lair would get us here.


    Speaking specifically to Kamigawa, I think that Maro mentioned somewhere that the plane polled INCREDIBLY poorly from a flavor standpoint (and not just because the cards were bad) so they're pretty loathe to revisit it. IIRC there was a rumor floating around about them revamping it to be a Japanese cyber-punk world or sommat but I don't remember if it was verified at all.


    Nah it's the card mechanics in the block, regardless what they say. because how many would actually build decks with those mechanics after that block went to extended if those mechanics in those cards are really good.

    The mechanics in Kamigawa were terrible compare to what before it and after it. If those mechanics were decent you would seen a lot of those cards in play after the format were it belong rotated, but no. It's terrible.


    I love samurai but the mechanic are the worst they are the bottom tier.. compare that to equipment, soldiers, clerics, rebel, kor, boros and etc.

    Samurai were supposed to be cooler than clerics if were talking about themes but the mechanic were terrible


    The probably worth salvaging in that tribal was pale curtain, which has the same case to jutun grunt from another terrible set also like coldsnap.

    Snake tribal, Oni tribal? SoulShift? Bushido? Offering? Shrine? Epic? those mechanics were dead on arrival even if they were on cards with art and names like part of the medieval or steampunk settings/theme. Those card with those mechanics isn't fun to play with even outside it's block nobody take them seriously not because of being japanese themed but they are terrible in play.

    Nobody liked to build deck seriously with those mechanics after it rotated from standard compare to other block which Kamigawa era like Mirrodin, Onslaught, Ravnica and Alara.

    Ninjutsu probably was the only decent mechanic that people still enjoys to play from that block.

    Arcane could have also great but it's also lock in that block.




    Nononono, their polling indicated that BOTH the cards AND the setting were unpopular.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Read this announcement at your own risk (it involves mtg)
    Just assume these are MTG cards with an Orica over them.

    It just annoys me that Kamigawa or water world or other MTG-specific requests require all these hoops but UB isn't a problem. Money talks I suppose. But it doesn't bother me. I doubt they'll incorporate a franchise I like. We'll see. Should have known Secret Lair would get us here.


    Speaking specifically to Kamigawa, I think that Maro mentioned somewhere that the plane polled INCREDIBLY poorly from a flavor standpoint (and not just because the cards were bad) so they're pretty loathe to revisit it. IIRC there was a rumor floating around about them revamping it to be a Japanese cyber-punk world or sommat but I don't remember if it was verified at all.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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