has anyone ever used quicken to flash dread return and evade graveyard hate?
or has the cards possibilities for the deck ever been discussed before?
I don't think there is space in the sideboard to consider such a cute interaction... Plus you have to already have the creatures to sacrifice in play and a relevant return target on the GY (or be lucky enough to dredge on with the draw from the quicken). That's too situational for me.
I don't think running less than 12 dredgers is advisable. I think if you don't run the full set of Troll, Imp and Thugs you are just testing your luck and it will run out by the time you get to the to tables. Same with running only 8 rainbow lands (in LEDless).
I just got to see the very end of the dredge game that was on camera this weekend. Apparently the guy couldn't even dredge once. I'm not sure if this was a viable option in that game, but people tend to forget that you can Draw-Discard-Dredge against FoW+Daze decks, even if you have a land. Unless you are expecting to see a backbreaking hate on turn 2 (RIP, Cage) you can save your lands and draw spells to try to explode an overwhelm them. If they counter it you still get your engine going. Running your discard outlet into a counter and then your (usually only) land into Wasteland will often lock you out of the game for good.
I don't think there is space in the sideboard to consider such a cute interaction... Plus you have to already have the creatures to sacrifice in play and a relevant return target on the GY (or be lucky enough to dredge on with the draw from the quicken). That's too situational for me.
I just got to see the very end of the dredge game that was on camera this weekend. Apparently the guy couldn't even dredge once. I'm not sure if this was a viable option in that game, but people tend to forget that you can Draw-Discard-Dredge against FoW+Daze decks, even if you have a land. Unless you are expecting to see a backbreaking hate on turn 2 (RIP, Cage) you can save your lands and draw spells to try to explode an overwhelm them. If they counter it you still get your engine going. Running your discard outlet into a counter and then your (usually only) land into Wasteland will often lock you out of the game for good.
"I got all excited about LED when Faithless Looting was printed, but I'm back to being about 80% sure it's still a trap."... (http://www.starcitygames.com/article/27755_How-To-Build-Dredge.html - Premium Article)
I don't think people have been seriously testing LEDless builds right now, but I am willing to give it a try in the next weeks