The more I think about it, the more I like the Eternal Witness spice. Haven't played it, but it seems like it would be sweet.
The biggest thing about your list to me is not running maindeck Anger of the Gods/Sweltering Suns, at least one of them. Purkle's current list isn't running any either, but I'd run 1-2.
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Feb 21, 2018Well I just lost my first match with the deck against BUG Land Destruction. Record falls to 23-1. I still haven't played against Burn or Affinity though, so I'm still waiting for more sideboard info. I suspect the sideboard Tangleblooms will become Radiant Fountains, but I'm not 100% sure until I get to test against burn. This deck is so much fun! Only change I've made since is -1 Electrickery +1 Martyr of Ashes in the sideboard.Posted in: Paper Pauper and Peasant
EDIT 2/27: Finally got in a match against Affinity. The matchup felt way better than I was expecting, got a clean 2-0. I think dropping a Shaman for another Martyr is a good option, since it's relevant in more matchups as well as Affinity. It's also possible I start using the slots for Burn hate (which I still have yet to see in nearly 35 matches/games). Current record: 26-2-3 in matches, 4-3 in single games. I may end up purchasing this on MTGO at some point because I think it's a lot of fun.
Feb 20, 2018As far as the Jace question goes, most decks don't slam Jace on turn 4, generally opting until they have some semblance of control over the game (such as 8 mana for Cryptic + Jace, Verdict + Jace, Snap-Bolt, etc) and if there is any reason I'd call Scapeshift a good Jace deck is that it gets to that point a LOT faster than other decks.Posted in: Combo
Also having a million shuffle effects
Feb 19, 2018I think it's 3 for RUG, 2 for BtL. I've also been considering that 1 in the sideboard (of Bring to Light). I want to try being able to go up to 3 Anger of the Gods, 4 Obstinate Baloth, 3 Jace for a midrange-style plan post sideboard. Whether or not it's a good idea, I want to try itPosted in: Combo
Feb 18, 2018Posted in: ComboQuote from YWQMD »Quote from micah1 »Did you all see Hooglands list on Gathering Magic today for BtL? Not impressive, but I like the manabase (because it's identical to mine )
Saw the same article and his list had me intrigued, since I'm looking for a few URx decks to jam Jace into. What's the list that you're running, and why exactly is Hoogland's list bad? I don't know enough about BTL Scapeshift to know what's optimal and what isn't.
The first thing is running Cultivate and Hunting Wilds with 2 Farseek. Generally there are 2 copies between all of those cards, and no more than 1 Cultivate and Hunting Wilds total, since they fill the same role. I like Farseek better with Jace in the mix though, so I'd consider swapping from my 1 Fareek 1 Wilds to 2 Farseek. I would not however, run 4 of those altogether.
The second thing is that as good as Jace is, Cryptic Command is more important. I would never sign up a blue Scapeshift deck with less than 4 ever. At that point I might as well play another deck.
The third thing is running 2 Snapcaster Mage. It's defendable, but like we've mentioned that we're a bad Jace deck, we're a terrible Snapcaster deck. It's there for a reason, but two isn't a good idea, and it's an even worse idea in a list that's running 12 ramp spells instead of 10.
Beyond that, preliminary testing with Jace exceeded my expectations. The Brainstorm feels much more relevant with the deck than I had anticipated. Whether or not it dies then, that Brainstorm feels really good.
Feb 16, 2018It wraths a lot more than Eldrazi. Being able to kill Gurmag Angler and Death's Shadow has been great, although that might become less of a problem with Jace around.Posted in: Combo
I've been on BtL for a while now. I was a strong supporter of RUG for a long while, but at this point I would have a hard time going back. Closest I got was with the printing of Hour of Devastation and Hour of Promise.
Did you all see Hooglands list on Gathering Magic today for BtL? Not impressive, but I like the manabase (because it's identical to mine )
Also, that Jund list is... way more different than I expected. The last Jund Shift deck I saw was based around using Dark Petition as extra copies of anything you needed. Perhaps TitanShift would have been a better place for that? It seems a little all over.
Feb 16, 2018At this point I've actually dropped Skred entirely so I'm at 13 Mountains 4 Caves 4 Quicksand. I'm also up to 4 Talisman because that card has been consistently good against basically everything. Tanglebloom is still staying in there anyways, but I might make it into Radiant Fountains. I still have yet to draw it against burn. List again: https://deckbox.org/sets/1919265Posted in: Paper Pauper and Peasant
Flame Jet seems unplayable. I don't think Cycling would add more to the card than Incinterate would. Players only is a no-go.
Avarax seems like it would be good at grinding card advantage (especially without the Crown-Hunter Hirelings) but I think I'm going to stick with Beetleback Chief for now at least. Costing one less in a "21" land deck is a real advantage. I think I'll get around to trying it at some point though.
Mind Stone seems like it would be fine, but I think I'd still rather have Pristine Talisman. Gaining 1 a turn is better than a card often enough.
Alchemist does block and does provide a fast clock, but it dies to everything that isn't Firebolt. I don't think I'd want to play it. Right now their best removal targets are Martyr of Ashes and Beetleback Chief, neither of which feel great to kill.
Mono U Delver is a nasty awful grindfest. Game one is very very favorable, but games 2-3 I have trouble getting Curse to stick when they're running a million cantrips, counterspells, and Hydroblasts to remove it after it resolves. They get more, cheaper counterspells and Stormbound Giest... it's just not a fun g2-3, but still winnable. Any good suggestions? Just max Pyroblast and pray?
If I could slot some sideboard cards into the deck, I'd definitely want 2 more Martyr of Ashes so I would have more of a prayer against Heroic and Bogles (despite being 2-0 against Heroic and 1-0 against Bogles). I haven't played against the Tron control decks yet so I don't know what that matchup feels like. I might cut the Molten Rains until then. I'm in a similar spot against Affinity and Gorilla Shaman. I'll find out how much I need my cards when I finally get the matchups I added the cards for. So basically I haven't seen a majority of my sideboard in any games, but my 19 card sideboard would be 3 Electrickery 4 Molten Rain 4 Pyroblast 4 Tanglebloom 2 Martyr of Ashes 4 Gorilla Shaman.
Feb 16, 2018I've briefly mentioned Jundshift on here before. I think this is a better place to talk about it than RG Titanshift, but it's still probably not quite the right place. I wouldn't want a super prolonged discussion, but here isn't a bad starting place. Considering making a new thread entirely, perhaps?Posted in: Combo
As far as my opinion on the Jace question, um... it's a good card. We should still be playing it. Too good to pass up. It definitely inspires a little extra interest in RUG over BtL, but I'm not sure how many of the problems of RUG that BtL fixed get fixed by adding Jace.
Jace isn't that great in either deck I think (still haven't had a chance to play with him) but I'll start off on BtL (my list: https://deckbox.org/sets/1712264 ) since most of you haven't said much about it. I think it's a 2 of, maybe a 3 of, in the deck. Unlike RUG, BtL has a much harder time getting out a turn 3 Cryptic, but a turn 3 Jace is more plausible and there won't be as much tension between them as a result. It's also a powerful dig spell if you can protect it. I think you can probably cut the third Scapeshift for a Jace and one of the flex slots. If he ends up being great, a third copy may join in. As far as optimizing the deck to make Jace great, obviously more cheaper removal, and more cheaper boardwipes. I've been on two Supreme Verdict for a while (absolutely no regrets there and I was considering going up to 3 before the unbanning) and I was (am) considering going up to 2 Anger of the Gods to help in the rougher matchups, despite it hurting the mana. Anyone have experience with Kozilek's Return over Anger? That's something I've wanted to try for a long while in BtL.
Any blue Shift player can say that Snapcaster Mage is not close to its best in the deck, but we play it anyways. I'm pretty sure that Jace is in the same category. With these suggested changes, Snap does get better, but not by a ton. There still isn't a high amount of useful targets even if some of them are very good. Perhaps going down on ramp (Farseek and Hunting Wilds) would improve the card enough to make me want a second or third, but not right now.
As far as cards that are invalidated, I'm going to start off with Search for Azcanta. The card is much worse with the additional land disruption the format is (was?) packing, so I think it was sketchy before the unbanning. Now, you don't need it for any sort of long game when Jace does that job better. Beyond that, various (mostly sideboard) secondary win-cons are worse when Jace does the same thing maindeck, and more. Probably the best exclusion to that is Obstinate Baloth which wasn't primarily used as a secondary win-con anyways. After going down to 3 Baloth in the sideboard for a Chameleon Colossus, I'm considering boosting up to 4 over Colossus again. I really like that card.
Even before the Jace announcement I mentioned I was looking at going up on Anger of the Gods. I literally had the 2 extra Angers sitting on top of my deckbox to be added to my sideboard over Crumble to Dust and Nissa, Vital Force, just the day before the announcement. I was also debating a Verdict in one of those spots instead. I really like boardwipes, and our worst matchups tend to not like seeing them.
In a more worried tone, is Jace unbanning good or bad for the deck? The sort of decks that run Jace were good matchups, but we have a very hard time interacting with Jace outside the stack, although RUG plays Bolt so that helps for them. I wonder how much trouble he will be for us (once again, still haven't gotten to test).
Going into misc. you're saying that Affinity is a bad matchup? I've found it to be closer to 50-50 or even favorable. Perhaps that's RUG specific compared to me on BtL. When I was on RUG I always was armed to the teeth (3 Ancient Grudge sideboard, 3 Angers main) for that matchup because I would always play the Affinity player at my LGS.
Purklefluff, I'd love for you to keep us updated on Roast. I've wanted to try it but never pulled the trigger. Same with the 1 cmc counterspells. Also to you, where does Hour of Promise+Boseiju stand then? I really liked Boseiju in the sideboard while I was playing it, but not so much anymore, especially without Omen, which I agree should go.
What are everyone's opinions on Engineered Explosives right now?
I also saw someone mention Course of Kruphix as an option. I really like the idea, despite never having played it in Scapeshift. Is it worthwhile despite giving opponent's removal targets? Opinions?
Feb 11, 2018I noticed fountain as an option and is definitely worth considering. I'm up to 3 Talisman currently as well.Posted in: Paper Pauper and Peasant
As far as Quicksand goes, it's been very good and is the only reason I can beat Inside Out, while still being relevant in basically every matchup (that runs creatures). I could see playing a Fountain in the list, it's just annoying to flood on colorless sources that also don't count towards skred, which has thus far been probably the most disappointing card. I've played against burn once and only really won because of rough mulls on their part.
I think fountain for the early burst life would help couple up with the slower stuff to actually get me in the late game. I'll get some more games in and see where it takes me.
Feb 11, 2018I was trying to accrue card advantage using spells, but that would certainly help a lot! I'm amazed at how much natural card advantage the deck has with Magma Jet, Arc Lightning, Firebolt, Staggershock, and even the Beetleback Chief (although I realized this is in the Paper Pauper forum, so this list isn't 100%). -4 Chief +3 Crown-Hunter Hireling +1 Staggershock is the easier fix for that. If they'd actually just put the card on MTGO I'd have probably done that ages ago...Posted in: Paper Pauper and Peasant
Also, the Tanglebloom was for Burn because there isn't much good lifegain in colorless (hence the Talismans maindeck) and you've already mentioned that going aggressive doesn't seem to help the matchup.
Edit to avoid double post: Pristine Talisman is being surprisingly awesome for me. I'm thinking about playing more.
Feb 10, 2018So I was working on this after playing against it online and I thought it looked fun. This is my current list: https://deckbox.org/sets/1919265 and it's fun. UB Control is a rough matchup, and I feel like Tron will be worse (although I haven't played against it yet) and obviously burn is bad. I was wondering if you guys could maybe give some sideboard advice?Posted in: Paper Pauper and Peasant
Oct 12, 2017I've played with it in Bring to Light and the card is good. I thought I'd already made a post about it.Posted in: Combo
It actually made me somewhat comfortable with dropping a Scapeshift and the Farseek. It's a good card, although a tad slow. I don't think more than 2 will ever be correct.
Sep 10, 2017So what do you guys think about Ranging Raptors? I like it, on looks, better than Farseek/Hunting Wilds. I imagine it will replace Wood Elves in Titanshift, and wonder what it could do for us, both RUG and BtL.Posted in: Combo
I've been loving Hour of Devastation in RUG. Not having a real boardwipe has always been a real pain for me in the archetype, and is one of the big reasons I've been playing BtL instead. It's not a Verdict and doesn't always kill Death's Shadow, but Hour kills Gideons and Lilianas as well, which has been really useful. Even got a Karn with it once. Thoughts, Purklefluff? (You're kinda the "expert" on Omenshift here)
Jul 27, 2017It plays a similar amount of disruption comparable to BtL lists. I dislike the IoKs, but other than that I like it (although I've not played it). Being able to Petition for Boseiju seems spicy.Posted in: Combo
I hope this isn't considered off topic. If so, I vote having Bring to Light Scapeshift in the RUG Scapeshift forum is off topic
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