What is your opinion of flameslash vs lightning bolt when playing finkles list.
I really do not know which would be better espescially with eidolon of rhetoric now being in pod lists, also I find bolt is going to creatures 90 percent of the time.
In my only testing Chord as a one off mainboard is very good. Having it in place of a G-wave or a Command is great since you can tutor something directly onto the battlefield. It is almost always craterhoof or prime time.
I feel like more than one is not that good since the deck is already pushing slots. The only hate cards I can think of tutoring are Vexing Shusher, Spellskite, and Ethersworn Canonist.
I really do not feel like this deck is a toolbox like deck. There are a few ways to win and do whichever wins the fastest in that scenario. It follows pretty linear paths also.
Ramp to GWave, Garruk Ult, Prime-Time to really anything, Primal Command Lock etc
I tested elves extensively before trying Nykthos and it is much worse. It is a strait combo version that folds to removal even more than the other versions. I found that it was actually less consistent than other versions and Nissa just really did not do anything useful. I would rather have a Garruk or even another mana dork or land.
Has anyone else tried Domri or Xenagos. I had two spots left in my deck and decided to throw in one of each and they both did work whenever they hit the table.
I like domri less but his ability to find creatures when your deck is a little more than one third creatures is very powerful and fighting is occasionally useful.
Xenagos keeps the pressure on or is a Gaes Cradle on a stick, I feel like cutting Domri for one more of him.
Anyone else test with them and what did you think?
It was so bad the Gideon literally opted to solve the Boros problems in Ravnica when he reached there instead of seeking out the soon-to-be-walking-guildpact to deal with the Titans.
I sort of think Zendikar is doomed, as much as the block was popular and people want to return to it. I think creative is having some issues deciding where to move on for the Eldrazi - they did make them into nigh-unkillable things that oldwalkers couldn't take down.
Gideon went to Ravnica to try to find a way to stop the Elderazi, he simply ended up helping the Boros and managed to find a way to MASS EXILE THINGS, through watching the Obzedat someone the Boros do not like.
Mono-Green? This is a competitive forum get that Timmy nonsense outta here.
While I am not gonna deny this deck has Timmy moments, lots of them actually but this thread has been going for weeks with hundreds of different ideas poured into it as well as a nice primer written by Badd Business.
This is a deck with fairly solid matchups as long as a lot of people pouring there ideas into it.
@P!MTG the only MU I feel you're mis-evaluating is tron which from my experience is negative for us. Pyroclasm and especially oblivion stone is a real beating and we got no way to really disrupt them pre-board. Wurmcoil engine makes it difficult/impossible to win by grinding them out we need to combo out with craterhoof to push through it.
Guess I am just lucky then, in the 5ish Bo3 matches I played vs tron I felt pretty confident each game and went 3-2 overall. To be fare though one of those wins were against Mono U tron but you are right with pyroclasm, it got me a few games. I never had a problem with oblivion stone picking something big because I was always able to be slightly faster than it.
I wrote a mini primer for my version of the deck on tappedout
I do not go into why I have certain sideboard cards and mainly go over matchups. Tell me what you think of the matchups and whether you think I am right or wrong
I feel this deck can be a very solid tier 1.5-2 deck with some more fine tuning so enjoy my mini-primer and give opinions
INFO
This deck does not have many lines of play, it is almost always ramp win however how you get there varies deck by deck.
WIN CONS
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx But more specifically Genesis Wave + Kessig Wolf Run + Garruk Wildspeaker + a maybe hardcast Craterhoof Behemoth
WEAKNESSES
After a lot of testing I found these are the decks 2 main weaknesses
Lack of Combo Disruption Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Splinter Twin
While I have rarely run into it other testers tell me hand disruption is a large problem Liliana of the Veil + Inquisition of Kozilek + Thoughtseize
Also Ensnaring Bridge with no answers wins them the game
MATCHUPS
Affinity: Slightly in there favor pre-board but better post board with Primal Command gaining life and either cycling or searching as well as Fracturing Gust really just being another wincon. However we can be blown out by Whipflare early so you have to be careful... or go all out.
Tron: Fairly even, your are both ramping into crazy things and tron does not have a fair amount of mass removal. I considered plow under early in the sideboard and found it good but not fully necessary since Primal Command does its job better. When playing it I have been 50/50 on Fracturing Gust since they ofton do not have a large board state and instead just 1/2 big threats Karn Liberated is a huge threat if not dealt with quickly.
Jund: Even to slightly in our favor if we can keep pace with their removal. We can keep pace with Dark Confidant beat Tarmogoyf the problems are Liliana of the Veil and hand disruption Inquisition of Kozilek , Thoughtseize . It gets a bit better post board with Scavenging Ooze , Eternal Witness , and maybe Primal Command
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker Combo: Total race pre board, can usually win by outramping them unless they hit all there Wall of Roots It gets better post board with Dismember hitting most of their combo pieces and Damping Matrix shutting down there combo.
Splinter Twin Variants: Identical to Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker matchup game one but gets slightly worse if they have lots of tempo/removal. Also some run Pyroclasm in the side and maybe even the main. It can blow us out early. Again Damping Matrix , a star board card. Also maybe add Defense Grid if you feel they have a lot of removal and tempo.
Merefolk: Slightly bad pre board if the variant runs large amount of tempo. Post board gets a bit easier with a Primal Command or two as well as Dismember .
Stax: First off I would like to start with I loathe this deck. Essentially two things happen, you win or they resolve a Ensnaring Bridge you can not remove. I mean really the rest of their deck can't really touch you except maybe Engineered Explosives and maybe Chalice of the Void . Post board throw in Fracturing Gust and Primal Command
Tezzerator: See Stax
UWR Control: Boseiju, Who Shelters All is your best friend. There verdicts are less scary then you think especially when you start getting Kitchen Finks and Strangleroot Geist on the board. Post board you put in Defense Grid which cripples them and the only thing you have to be REALLY AFRAID OF is Sowing Salt
Pox: Actually really close. If you manage to power through the first couple of turns when they are Smallpox ing and using Liliana of the Veil + Inquisition of Kozilek + Thoughtseize for disruption you can win however you might just loose there so be careful. Also post board add in your Eternal Witness as well as your Primal Command since you will probably be discarding a lot and probably not getting a big Genesis Wave
Any input on this deck is appreciated, also anything you want to add to my info
The "typical" play you use with primal command is to put one of their permanents on top of their library, then tutor up Eternal Witness. You then subsequently cast witness, returning Primal command, which allows you to repeat the same action for another witness. This adds 2+ devotion for each witness you resolve, and also effectively prevents your opponent from drawing new cards for 2-4 straight turns. If you bounce their lands, this also prevents them from playing additional land drops. In a lot of ways, it becomes a soft lock for 2-4 turns while you set up a board state that kills your opponent.
So, more or less, ideally primal command becomes a time warp that also tutors up Eternal Witness. But the beauty is that it also is an effective way to deal with problematic permanents such as Ensnaring Bridge, Ajani Vengeant, Liliana of the Veil, etc etc. Finally, it'll randomly hose decks like burn when you choose the gain 7 life and search function. I've found gaining 7 and tutoring a witness is a great way to win if you're simply trying to race your opponent.
Oh wow thanks, can not believe I didn't realize that. I even played that cryptic command deck that does that with snapcasters.
Also kinda funny how I boarded out 2 witnesses for commands each time.
Also I have been playing this all day and ran into an ungodly amount of pox decks.
I found the only way to beat them is kill them before bridge comes down then board in all you enchantment removal. It actually feels like kinda a bad matchup pre-board
I really do not know which would be better espescially with eidolon of rhetoric now being in pod lists, also I find bolt is going to creatures 90 percent of the time.
So which do you prefer and sell it to me please.
I feel like more than one is not that good since the deck is already pushing slots. The only hate cards I can think of tutoring are Vexing Shusher, Spellskite, and Ethersworn Canonist.
I really do not feel like this deck is a toolbox like deck. There are a few ways to win and do whichever wins the fastest in that scenario. It follows pretty linear paths also.
Ramp to GWave, Garruk Ult, Prime-Time to really anything, Primal Command Lock etc
I like domri less but his ability to find creatures when your deck is a little more than one third creatures is very powerful and fighting is occasionally useful.
Xenagos keeps the pressure on or is a Gaes Cradle on a stick, I feel like cutting Domri for one more of him.
Anyone else test with them and what did you think?
Gideon went to Ravnica to try to find a way to stop the Elderazi, he simply ended up helping the Boros and managed to find a way to MASS EXILE THINGS, through watching the Obzedat someone the Boros do not like.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=558546
Mono-Green? This is a competitive forum get that Timmy nonsense outta here.
While I am not gonna deny this deck has Timmy moments, lots of them actually but this thread has been going for weeks with hundreds of different ideas poured into it as well as a nice primer written by Badd Business.
This is a deck with fairly solid matchups as long as a lot of people pouring there ideas into it.
Guess I am just lucky then, in the 5ish Bo3 matches I played vs tron I felt pretty confident each game and went 3-2 overall. To be fare though one of those wins were against Mono U tron but you are right with pyroclasm, it got me a few games. I never had a problem with oblivion stone picking something big because I was always able to be slightly faster than it.
I do not go into why I have certain sideboard cards and mainly go over matchups. Tell me what you think of the matchups and whether you think I am right or wrong
Any advice on my deck as well as my little mini primer would be cool. FYI I am just pasting it into this but if you could look at it on mtg (dem views) that would be great. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mini-primermono-green-nykthos/
Primer
Oh wow thanks, can not believe I didn't realize that. I even played that cryptic command deck that does that with snapcasters.
Also kinda funny how I boarded out 2 witnesses for commands each time.
Also I have been playing this all day and ran into an ungodly amount of pox decks.
I found the only way to beat them is kill them before bridge comes down then board in all you enchantment removal. It actually feels like kinda a bad matchup pre-board