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  • posted a message on Pioneer Banned List Speculation
    You describe yourself and your choices as "weird" and set your opinion as irrefutable (you "won't be responding"). Sweat

    You're right, those 2 cards are undercosted, but that's not an argument that turns an answer into a threat. It makes absolutely no sense ! If you want to convince / makes sense to anybody, you better say those spells are too powerful & lead to a more stale metagame - exactly as you did - and stop there. No need to confuse people with a new definition that states "white is black". Especially when you eventually use that wrong definition to support the need for a ban. I read your post as "Today's scoop ! Those answers are actually threats, and since Wizards need to ban threats and not answers, Verdict and TS are definitely worth a ban regarding their power level !" Gaping

    What is my opinion are my arguments against these bans, I explained them in my previous post, and we can indeed disagree on them. Wink
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Mono White Devotion
    Yeah I tried the card in my list and was garbage. You really want a dedicated lifegain shell for it. From there, I'm not sure it's gonna be a good devotion shell. If we can build a nice Prison shell, maybe. Sphere of Safety cast of Nykthos and cheap lifegain enchants (Ajani's Welcome, Authority of the Consuls, Nyx-Fleece Ram etc...), but I fail to see a good deck there. It misses some key components.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Pioneer Banned List Speculation
    aggressive threat concealed as an answer

    This is your interpretation of the card, not reality. A threat can win a game. An answer helps you not lose a game.

    Wraths are cards aggro decks are prepared and equipped to fight. It's there since Magic's inception. Verdict is only uncounterable, so you can make your creatures indestructible, exile it with Spell Queller, bounce it with Unsubstantiate, play 4 Smuggler's Copters in your creature deck, or do as we always do : don't overextend to the BF. There's absolutely no reason to ban the card !

    Thoughtseize is another story : it's a proactive play, not a reactive one. It can see play in the same decks you play Gitaxian Probe : in aggro and combo decks.
    The bad thing I see with this card is that it destroys glass-canon decks game 1, it's a bit sad for the sake of variety. However, blitz aggro decks laugh at the card, decks that play Once upon a Time and various card selection spells too. As long as those decks are viable, TS doesn't seem too obnoxious.
    I mean, how many times in pioneer has Veil been cast to stop an actual threat instead of an answer?

    That's not the role of the card anyway. Blossoming Defense, Gods Willing, those cards are great and have never been too criticized or in a ban discussion ever. Not a threat nor an answer card, Veil is a protection / pump spell like you said, that happens to cantrip. End of story. Grin

    The reason of its banning is not what it does (not directly at least), but what decks it helps, i.e. some green decks at the top of the metagame. I personnally have no clue whether this ban is good or not though. I don't really care, it's one SB card in the pool to me.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Mono White Devotion
    Nice ideas ! I had completely forgotten about Mastery ! There must be a way to build a very different W Devo deck then, Mastery, Brimaz and Sun Elspeth seem good together.

    I thought of Quarantine Field in the SB, potentially VS PW decks. I think the deck is weak to Oko + baby Tef Game 1.

    The 3-cmc Walkers I'm not a fan of. They're good for aggro decks, like white weenie, but for devotion, you want to go big, and small PWs tend to die under the early pressure and removals of the opponents. Same, nt a fan of History since it dies by itself. The idea remains to take advantage of Nykthos at some point.

    In any devo list, I think Mastery is a must at least in the SB against control and midrange.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Mono White Devotion
    Yop there,
    I'm looking for good pay offs in white, but overall I'm testing the idea of playing lifelinkers against the aggro part of the meta, and the best cards that enable Nykthos :



    Bishop is a good blocker early, which leads me to an Angel shell. Resplendent is a decent mana sink, Thune is super strong with Bishop, Tithes and Rays are enough to slow the opponent.
    Always Watching is really good at making the board unbeatable. It feels necessary with Initiate, very weak to Ballista and Slash decks. The enchant also gives Reckoner the ability to attack no matter what, and strengthens Tithes.
    Oppressive Rays is a great Nykthos-y way to slow down aggro decks.

    This iteration of the archetype tries to not die in the early turns, and power up big plays, without going to big. I didn't find a way to ramp efficiently towatds Angel of Serenity but that would be one of the best payoffs in an Angel shell.

    The things I didn't like were the WW creatures : Anafenza, Tomik, Knight ot White Orchid. Pridemate requires an even more spcific shell, and after a bit of testing, I felt I wanted more lifelinkers for a bit more synergy with Thune and Resplendent, thus why Initiate it is.
    I also didn't like the 1-cmc creatures that gain life, they're too weak, only gain 1 per turn, meh. While Landing can ramp and always give Nykthos a mana, and Thraben... well he's just good.

    Anyone tried to brew around white devotion ?
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Ux Ensoul
    I think I have my answer to Skilled Animator : he can crew Copter and if the 5/5 is destroyed, Animator is still a body on the BF.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Ux Ensoul
    Yeah, All that Glitters is the reason I played the Sirens !

    Is Skilled Animator better than Tezzeret's Touch or is it only because of the mana cost ?
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Temur Midrange
    Stubborn Denial indeed needs a lot of support, and cheap enough creatures so you can keep mana open. Would fit better in Temur Coco. I think you're right going for removal spells / threats instead.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Temur Midrange
    Well, Temur Energy proved to be competitive in standard, Temur Dragons didn't (Gruul Monsters had something with Dragons though). Not saying it's a sufficient argument, but I want to add that similar midrange decks (Sultai, Jund, Abzan) that I tried and watched played by streamers with a classic approach aren't very convincing (even Sultai that is praised by a few people).

    Temur can play Glorybringer, and maybe Sweltering Sun (or Mizzium Mortars) and Wild Slash in the main, for a more controlly approach. But I don't see Knuckleblade being better than Brazen Borrower (or Bonecrusher Giant) if you want to keep mana open for Scorn, I'm not even speaking of the ogre's tough mana cost.

    Also, the energy shell gives better mana fixing (especially now that Oath of Nissa is banned), while your list is greedier, which will lead to more mulligans. Scorn is good in a primary blue list, but here it's primary green, so Stubborn Denial would be easier to cast (especially if you want to force Knuckleblade).

    The thing with Dragons is that better shells exist, i.e. Esper & Grixis control, while Gruul Monsters can turn into a dragon shell and have better mana (blue is useless). It's hard for me to believe Dragons belong in a Temur shell, but I'll be curious to test a more elaborate list you tested yourself, one that gave you satisfaction. Wink
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Pioneer Banned List Speculation
    I imagine you are probably right... but that ain't gonna stop players from despising combo and demanding it be categorically banned.

    Opponents hate playing against combo, opponents hate playing against control, opponents hate playing against tempo... good thing God gave us midrange, amirite? Nobody could ever hate midrange...

    Isn't this stereotypical flaming 201X style ? Laughing
    You are very disrespectful to players and Wizards staff, but I guess you know better... amirite ?

    This format is not meant to be Modern bis, nor Modern "watered down". It's meant to be its own thing, and Felidar doesn't belong here from W's perspectvive. So be it.
    It'd be more accurate to say opponents hate to play in a narrow 3-deck metagame, hate to play matches that last 90+ minutes, they hate to watch their opponent durdle and combo off for 5 minutes, they hate to pack SB cards in their maindeck. All of this is justified !

    I personally don't care to see cards banned, I'm only impatient to see the format settle down so I can really taste what Pioneer is supposed to be.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Jeskai Humans
    25 lands ? Confused

    I know Humans pretty well, the cards you mention have been put aside for the ones I choose to play.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Jeskai Humans
    Charming Prince comes handy when he can reset an exerted GBI ! Besides, I don't always exert him, only when I need to gain life or to get passed a big blocker.
    I'm not sure what I could play instead as well. Tomik is better than it seems, his stats alone are impressive (2/3 flying for 2). Lavinia can be useful in a few MUs. Otherwise more 1-drops is also an option. As long as I stay in white for Brave (otherwise Warkite Marauder would be a nice spice).
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Jeskai Humans
    Yo, I feel like I can share my Humans list, and there's a couple cards worth discussing :





    Dauntless Bodyguard is the less sure of the 1-drops, all options are whatever, but I like the idea of making Midrange and control life more difficult with him in the deck. Another option is Mardu Woe-Reaper, but I just think the choice of the 1-drop here won't change much anyway.

    Giant Killer is narrow but could be in place of Declaration in Stone.

    Charming Prince proves to be great with Ref Mage and Lieutenant, nothing surprising.

    12 3-cmc creatures may seem a lot, but I had no problem casting my dudes with 21 lands. they're all so strong that I want to play them all.

    The deck doesn't splash green for Coco, and I think it wouldn't make the deck better. A least there's a decent chance the best Coco deck is not tribal Humans. On the other hand, playing only white reduces the power of the deck.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Temur Midrange
    Mmh, I wouldn't be very original and start with Standard Temur Energy + Oko.



    Harnessed Lightning is so much better at killing creatures than any other red spell, I don't know but it appeals me a lot. I remember Hydra was real tough to kill too, so if i can give it trample with Scions, it should work fine.

    The main reason to play simic is Oko anyway. It's the best and actually only real good card in those colors. From there one can splash red, white or black and have a decent deck.

    A trad list would be something like that :



    Not well built, but the idea is there.
    Posted in: Pioneer
  • posted a message on Pioneer White Weenie thread
    Its main competition is Humans though (and not specifically mono white, humans can go Jeskai very easily). You said 2-drops were bad for weenies, but Humans have very good 2-drops. Hopefully Copter can fill the slot so easily in any aggro deck ! And if you have Mutavaults, you can still attack with one when you have nothing to do on turn 2.

    I doubt Humans is weaker than White Weenie because both decks can play the same white spells and SB, Mantis Rider is the best 3-cmc aggro creature in white, but who knows. the maindeck Selfless and Militants are really where your deck gets spicy. Very good cards.

    You did beat very strong decks overall, so it's promising !

    Posted in: Pioneer
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