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  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from idSurge »
    If rare, and applications exist in Standard, considering the other formats hyping it I don't see how it stays under 10. Remember how everyone said Push would be 2 bucks.



    Since Grafdigger's Cage cannot get a price tag above $10 during the Standard period, I hardly believe Damping Sphere can achieve this price tag Smile

    Regarding Push, people wanna buy it with $2 is just a joke to me. I pre-order two playsets with $4 each. And I have never seen the price drops below $4.


    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from beac0n »
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    Whether you like it or not, draft will always be a major factor in composition of any random-booster set. The only way to get something like steel overseer into more-than-normal-rare circulation is by printing in precons. Like how the market is about to be flooded with Bomat Couriers because they’re about to publish 2 precon decks that each pack a playset. That’s one ‘rare’ that will have a whole lot more supply really soon.


    WOTC could, if they were smart, print sets in booster packs for drafting, AND in box sets so constructed players can get the cards they need.


    It will be a great idea if WOTC can separate the cards into two groups:
    One group of the cards are designed for the draft (such as 10 common/uncommon in a pack); another group of the cards are designed for the Standard construct format (such as 3 rare/mythic rare in a pack).
    I will open more packs in they do so Smile


    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from sss123 »
    Quote from Colt47 »
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    Quote from genini2 »


    They would market the Master series to fill the gaps in the modern challenge decks if they did that. Affinity for example could be a very reasonably priced challenger deck if they left out even just Mox Opals, Arcbound Ravager, and Inkmoth Nexus. Then make artifacts a subtheme of the master series and you have people who pick up the challenge deck more willing to draft or buy a masters series because the cards are able to slot into their constructed deck immediately.


    Master series not only need to have high end staple such as Mox Opals, Arcbound Ravager, and Inkmoth Nexus. They also need to have some value common/uncommon (Steel Overseer, Vault Skirge, Cranial Plating, Ghirapur Aether Grid) to attract players.

    The truth is, there is only a limited amount of cards worth of the reprint. The idea of creating Modern challenge decks or Modern event decks is trying to compete the "reprint resource" with Master series...


    There is a good article for you to read, as a reference:

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/modern-prices-masters-sets-and-reprint-equity




    The problem with that article is that the people who run MTG goldfish know more about card equity than wizards apparently does. The thing is there is reprinting a card to increase availability and printing a card to reduce the price of it, and in modern there's really only a handful of cards that actually need a price reduction.

    Basically, it's healthier for the game if a deck is a bunch of 10-20 dollar cards with a few 25-50 dollar staples than if a deck is a bunch of 5-10 dollar cards and a few 60-100 dollar staples.


    Suppose WOTC does something to make 60-100 dollar staples down to 25-50 dollar range, just like you wish, how can they sell you 10$ USD per pack in the Master series :p ???

    They need to keep the price above certain level for some staples, from the business point of view.




    Do you know what those cards costed when they were in masters 2015? They don't need to be 50+.



    Mox Opal
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Modern Masters 2015/Mox Opal#paper
    The price jumps to $80 recently. But it will go back to $50 if it appears in the next Master set.


    Arcbound Ravager
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Darksteel/Arcbound Ravager#paper
    The price is $45, not above $50.


    Inkmoth Nexus
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Mirrodin Besieged/Inkmoth Nexus#paper
    The price is $17, not above $50.

    If there is any other card you are referring to, please let me know.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from sss123 »
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from sss123 »
    Quote from genini2 »


    They would market the Master series to fill the gaps in the modern challenge decks if they did that. Affinity for example could be a very reasonably priced challenger deck if they left out even just Mox Opals, Arcbound Ravager, and Inkmoth Nexus. Then make artifacts a subtheme of the master series and you have people who pick up the challenge deck more willing to draft or buy a masters series because the cards are able to slot into their constructed deck immediately.


    Master series not only need to have high end staple such as Mox Opals, Arcbound Ravager, and Inkmoth Nexus. They also need to have some value common/uncommon (Steel Overseer, Vault Skirge, Cranial Plating, Ghirapur Aether Grid) to attract players.

    The truth is, there is only a limited amount of cards worth of the reprint. The idea of creating Modern challenge decks or Modern event decks is trying to compete the "reprint resource" with Master series...


    There is a good article for you to read, as a reference:

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/modern-prices-masters-sets-and-reprint-equity




    The problem with that article is that the people who run MTG goldfish know more about card equity than wizards apparently does. The thing is there is reprinting a card to increase availability and printing a card to reduce the price of it, and in modern there's really only a handful of cards that actually need a price reduction.

    Basically, it's healthier for the game if a deck is a bunch of 10-20 dollar cards with a few 25-50 dollar staples than if a deck is a bunch of 5-10 dollar cards and a few 60-100 dollar staples.


    Suppose WOTC does something to make 60-100 dollar staples down to 25-50 dollar range, just like you wish, how can they sell you 10$ USD per pack in the Master series :p ???

    They need to keep the price above certain level for some staples, from the business point of view.


    Did you know that you can drop absurd prices without affecting EV? Wow!


    If you want to sell one Master set per 10 years, yup it is doable.
    But if you want to sell sell one Master set per year, without those cards with absorb price, you will eventually run out of stock about the card selection in order to keep EV.

    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from sss123 »
    Quote from genini2 »
    Quote from sss123 »
    Quote from Daeyel »
    With the overwhelmingly popular reception of Standard Challenge decks, how long till we see a line of say, 20 different Modern Challenge decks?

    Burn at $100, Affinity and Tron at $300, Elves, Merfolk, Soul Sisters etc all priced competitively, all the way up to Death's Shadow and Jund.

    It would be an amazing idea, putting exactly the needed reprints into the marketplace at the same time it puts a hard cap on singles prices.



    If WOTC does that, who could they promote selling Master series?
    From the business point of view, creating Modern Challenge decks is not a smart move.

    We do have something similar before: Modern event deck
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/content/modern-event-deck

    , and there is no 2nd Modern event deck in the past four years.




    They would market the Master series to fill the gaps in the modern challenge decks if they did that. Affinity for example could be a very reasonably priced challenger deck if they left out even just Mox Opals, Arcbound Ravager, and Inkmoth Nexus. Then make artifacts a subtheme of the master series and you have people who pick up the challenge deck more willing to draft or buy a masters series because the cards are able to slot into their constructed deck immediately.


    Master series not only need to have high end staple such as Mox Opals, Arcbound Ravager, and Inkmoth Nexus. They also need to have some value common/uncommon (Steel Overseer, Vault Skirge, Cranial Plating, Ghirapur Aether Grid) to attract players.

    The truth is, there is only a limited amount of cards worth of the reprint. The idea of creating Modern challenge decks or Modern event decks is trying to compete the "reprint resource" with Master series...


    There is a good article for you to read, as a reference:

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/modern-prices-masters-sets-and-reprint-equity




    The problem with that article is that the people who run MTG goldfish know more about card equity than wizards apparently does. The thing is there is reprinting a card to increase availability and printing a card to reduce the price of it, and in modern there's really only a handful of cards that actually need a price reduction.

    Basically, it's healthier for the game if a deck is a bunch of 10-20 dollar cards with a few 25-50 dollar staples than if a deck is a bunch of 5-10 dollar cards and a few 60-100 dollar staples.


    Suppose WOTC does something to make 60-100 dollar staples down to 25-50 dollar range, just like you wish, how can they sell you 10$ USD per pack in the Master series :p ???

    They need to keep the price above certain level for some staples, from the business point of view.


    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from genini2 »
    Quote from sss123 »
    Quote from Daeyel »
    With the overwhelmingly popular reception of Standard Challenge decks, how long till we see a line of say, 20 different Modern Challenge decks?

    Burn at $100, Affinity and Tron at $300, Elves, Merfolk, Soul Sisters etc all priced competitively, all the way up to Death's Shadow and Jund.

    It would be an amazing idea, putting exactly the needed reprints into the marketplace at the same time it puts a hard cap on singles prices.



    If WOTC does that, who could they promote selling Master series?
    From the business point of view, creating Modern Challenge decks is not a smart move.

    We do have something similar before: Modern event deck
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/content/modern-event-deck

    , and there is no 2nd Modern event deck in the past four years.




    They would market the Master series to fill the gaps in the modern challenge decks if they did that. Affinity for example could be a very reasonably priced challenger deck if they left out even just Mox Opals, Arcbound Ravager, and Inkmoth Nexus. Then make artifacts a subtheme of the master series and you have people who pick up the challenge deck more willing to draft or buy a masters series because the cards are able to slot into their constructed deck immediately.


    Master series not only need to have high end staple such as Mox Opals, Arcbound Ravager, and Inkmoth Nexus. They also need to have some value common/uncommon (Steel Overseer, Vault Skirge, Cranial Plating, Ghirapur Aether Grid) to attract players.

    The truth is, there is only a limited amount of cards worth of the reprint. The idea of creating Modern challenge decks or Modern event decks is trying to compete the "reprint resource" with Master series...


    There is a good article for you to read, as a reference:

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/modern-prices-masters-sets-and-reprint-equity


    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Daeyel »
    With the overwhelmingly popular reception of Standard Challenge decks, how long till we see a line of say, 20 different Modern Challenge decks?

    Burn at $100, Affinity and Tron at $300, Elves, Merfolk, Soul Sisters etc all priced competitively, all the way up to Death's Shadow and Jund.

    It would be an amazing idea, putting exactly the needed reprints into the marketplace at the same time it puts a hard cap on singles prices.



    If WOTC does that, how could they promote selling Master series?
    From the business point of view, creating Modern Challenge decks is not a smart move.

    We do have something similar before: Modern event deck
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/content/modern-event-deck

    , and there is no 2nd Modern event deck in the past four years.


    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Colt47 »
    Quote from SpinifexV »
    Quote from Colt47 »
    People are going to tear into M25 like vicious piranhas so definitely do not buy into Jace right now. In fact, now is the time to sell because that price is going to crash hard when the supply hits in March. I'd do the same with Bloodbraid elf.


    Crash hard? Did the price of Cavern of Souls, Snapcaster Mage or Liliana of the Veil crash hard after MM3? And that was in a Masters set with Fetchlands! Sure, 'goyf's price has come down since, but that was linked to the unpopularity of GBx decks far more than its reprinting. Jace might go back down a bit to $100-$120, but I seriously doubt it will ever go back down under $100, unless he sees numerous additional reprinting or he sees no play in Modern (unlikely).

    The prices of cards in high demand, printed at Mythic in a Masters set, only come down temporarily; they do not crash and they will go back up soon after.

    I do agree it's the time to sell though. I doubt it can reach $200.


    His price isn't going to be inflated to 120 dollars is what I'm trying to say. Selling him now and picking him up after the M25 is probably a safe thing to do because his price will likely come down to 80-90 dollars a card during the period shortly after the openings. Basically, sell Jace and buy the things that go with him that they just reprinted and likely aren't reprinting, since those aren't getting cheaper.


    1. Believe me or not, his price will not go below $100 USD after M25...
    2. We might see another price peak when there are some tournament results associated with him.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Banned and restricted announcement Feb 12 JtMS unbanned
    This makes me sad because my two copies of Jace, Architect of Thought will never be played again in any format Frown


    Well, you can play it in EDH Smile

    Don't cry.
    I spent $160 USD for a playset of Jace, Architect of Thought, when he was Standard legal. But I am still happy for the JtMS unban announcement.


    Quote from Saylord »
    After the terrible disaster that was iconic masters they had to do something, they lined that up perfectly, now jtms price has doubled. You can expect go to tier one decks now so his price will triple due to people wanting to play the 30% meta deck that contains him. Wizards will sell the rest of iconic masters out and now 25 will fly off the shelves. Welcome back to a 10 deck modern or less again. Goodbye to a modern that was the perfect meta, thanks wizards.


    We do not need to make the judgment so quick. Better to wait for couple of months and see if META is changed to a 10 decks format.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    Quote from jwf239 »
    Quote from Melkor »
    So we were never going to see all 3 come off at once, I thought it was gonna be BBE this time, SFM next time, and Jace the time after that.

    Is there any reason this would have an impact on SFM coming off in the next announcement or two? I would think if these go well then we will see more agressive unbans, but is there any reason it would be LESS likely?


    It makes it nearly certain SFM won't come off in the next announcement or two and probably the next four or five. The format will take awhile to stabilize from this to where we even begin to have an idea of what the meta looks like and what optimized decklists are. That alone makes it less than a 1% chance anything gets unbanned in the next several announcements. In addition, if this does "go well" then there is even less need for unbanning SFM because these help similar archetypes that SFM would. Combine all this with the fact that caw-blade was one of the biggest boogiemen in the history of magic and we are looking at years before we are even seriously discussing SFM again.


    I agree with you everything, except for the "Combine all this with the fact that caw-blade was one of the biggest boogiemen in the history of magic".
    I would say Eldrazi Winter is a bigger disaster than caw-blade in the history of magic.


    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    Quote from idSurge »
    Is it the time for RUG mid-range? I've wanted to live that dream a long time...


    Yup.
    You can put Jace anf BBE together in a RUG deck Wink
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    Quote from Drekavac »
    Quote from Finkllestein »
    SFM is next in the line, hopefully.


    It will be quite some time before we cross that bridge. It will take the format months, maybe even a full year or so, before it digests this. Enjoy it while it lasts.


    I assume there is no SFM unban today, because they are afraid of "Jace" + "SFM" outperform other Modern decks.
    It might takes some time for SFM unabn since we have Jace now.



    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 10/02/18)
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/february-12-2018-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2018-02-12

    "Pro Tours give us excellent data and insight into how our formats respond to competitive pressure, and we will continue to use that data to inform B&R changes. But we hope this announcement sends a clear message that Pro Tours do not necessitate bannings, and especially that your favorite deck (or new favorite deck!) is not automatically in danger simply because it performed well."

    This are the words I want to hear from WOTC for a long long time. I wish you (WOTC) can keep these in mind in the future...
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Modern Prices Discussion
    Quote from Pokerkingdave »
    From what recall, modern masters aether vial was around $10 when modern masters 2013 came out.


    When MMA1 comes out, I open one, and then spend $25 for another three copies.
    But this is nothing related to the current price tag.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Duel Decks: Merfolk Vs Goblin
    Quote from thatmarkguy »
    The funny bit is that the sole printing to date of Master of the Pearl Trident has a higher purchase price than several of the whiteborder printings of Lord of Atlantis. So this isn’t even whining about actual value - it’s whining about wanting a new card frame black border LoA. As if THAT should have been WotC’s reprint priority. They printed the more valuable card, they just didn’t satisfy the people with very specific wants. “And old style white border on my fishlord? No thank you!”


    There is nothing funny at all.
    This is not the product I am interested in because of the lack of Lord of Atlantis. Therefore I skip.
    Simple enough.

    You do not need to analysis why I think so or convince me this is a good or valuable product.
    No matter how good it is, just not relevent to me.

    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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