Hey guys, not to rush the budget section or anything, but I was curious what budget cards you would suggest? My playgroup limits to $100 decks for now, but building Ayli is too tempting to pass up! I was thinking of adding the Soul Sisters and Karlov for a bit of lifegain since spot removal is scarce. Any thoughts?
if you go the life gain rout the pain section is better for you
been thinking about cradle of vitality for a budget version since it causes snowballs pretty fast also karlov is all over the +1/+1 counters. Ajani's Pridemate life gain +1/+1 counter interaction
also Xenphire
any plans to run recruiter of the guard
and you forgot about deathrender in equipment section with ayli its cheat a dude into play for 3
i love dread summons with all these zombie spells coming out i kinda wana play tribal zombie tokens with dranlu
but back to the point
your goal is to put dragons in the graveyard to cheat them out\
so looting effects are good for you as well Bazaar of Baghdad is probably the most expensive card you could run Burning Inquiry Geier Reach Sanitarium tormenting voice
Grenzo, Havoc Raiser intrigues me in the right meta i could totally see something like mono red aggro as you start grabbing all the mana rocks, 1-2 mana cantrips, 0 mana artifacts and stopping threats with goad it could turn out to be a really fun build. goad forces stuff to attack if able and must attack another player other than you if able. i love the idea of a raid style deck. tribal goblins might come to fruition under the command of new grenzo pm me if you have any ideas for it may end up being my next deck.
I think you're better off with something else if that's what you're going for. if you want a general that's good at recursion for staxy purposes, I might opt for Meren of Clan Nel Toth. Her recursion is stupid good, and while green is not known for being a "stax" color, there are good reasons to add a second color as mono-black has issues with enchantments and artifacts, in addition to being able to play certain valuable cards that can synergize well in the right build. Having access to Pernicious Deed, Maelstrom Pulse/Putrefy, and Eternal Witness are just things right off the top of my head I would consider including. Recurring Fleshbag is nice and all, but recurring Eternal Witness and returning Pernicious Deed every turn is also dope.
Please note that Mimic Vat is a really, really dumb card to include if you like recurring Fleshbag Marauder. I can almost never stop singing the praises of how stupid good the card is.
i enjoy good mimic vat play but in my experience its so slow may have been just because i was running it in early versions of my daretti deck note its non-stax
hey i've been fallowing this thread for a while and never have built a stax deck though i have been meaning to for some time.
what do you guys think of Leovold, Emissary of Trest for a multiplayer stax commander. or is queen marchesa going to be the stronger one?
The opponent decklists that you've described seem to be all big explosive decks that want to do something fantastic. There isn't much control unless your friends Narset deck packs countermagic or Prossh tries to set up grave pact effects asap.
Your friends are also most likely playing lots of non-basics, since there are 4x 3-color decks and a colorless deck, so back to basics is absolutely worth the cut in your budget.
For your environment it sounds like mono-blue is the best starting point. I'd have to toss my vote in for azami, lady of scrolls for wizard-power or arcum dagsson for artifact-combo, depending on your playstyle.
Venser, Shaper Savant is what i would run as a general in mass bounce hes ~$16 but hes so worth it
I'm always very suspect of Voltron commanders outside of built in defenses. The idea of spot removal ruining tempo and WR's already bad card advantage issues, I'd feel the deck would be too fragile. I like the idea of splashing some voltron aspects like fetching equipment tho...
I am open to deck lists though if you have success. Maybe I'm not seeing something worth looking into.
Did double headed tournament with Aurelia on my team, it's scary.
Boros has its issues but do not get it confused with being weak. Boros voltron is frightening. With taj you can kind of zurgo board wipe strategy for something different.
What makes boros a problem is your hands are volatile. There's not as much consistency as some other colors. Usually in my opening hand I can tell if I'm going to win or not with a very good guessing rate.
white just has cantrips
very few draw engines are stable
and hybrid only has Nahiri, the Harbinger for filtering
personally i like Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker+restoration angel as both are very good independently
and any thing with flash or instant speed shenanigans.
typical boros rush wont work in multiplayer edh you might get one person voltron works because you can protect a general easier than an army.
i'm still waiting for a commander i can play american colors flicker/etb with and not be completely out of synergy with the deck. hoping there's a good one among the 4 color commander coming out in November.
2 cards i wouldn't go with out are containment priest and Aven Mindcensor
both are cheep,instant speed and hate out tutors that you don't have access to as well as preventing any deadeye/pali type combos
the main issues is that you roughly have 10 turns to win the game or to lock it out with a favorable position. non combo aggro decks (like modern boros) struggle to do the 80-140 damage required.
aww man you might just have sold me into hanna stax
there is also Parallax Tide, mana vortex, and hokori, dust drinker
recently they released
if you can operate under your own lock via hanna shenanigans is there any problems with beating someone to death with something like sun titan/world queller or thoptars with swords?
wow you all forgot the card from the same set as shu yun hero's blade
Didn't forget it, OP mentioned he had it Though not by name, I suppose. View from Above is an excellent suggestion, though Shu Yun himself doesn't satisfy the return condition, so that's something to look out for.
view from above's is satified by shu yun under commander color identity rules.
his identity is expanded to blue white and red.
"A card's colour identity is its colour plus the colour of any mana symbols in the card's rules text. A card's colour identity is established before the game begins, and cannot be changed by game effects."
if you go the life gain rout the pain section is better for you
been thinking about cradle of vitality for a budget version since it causes snowballs pretty fast also karlov is all over the +1/+1 counters.
Ajani's Pridemate life gain +1/+1 counter interaction
also Xenphire
any plans to run recruiter of the guard
and you forgot about deathrender in equipment section with ayli its cheat a dude into play for 3
any one know any deathrender loops?
but back to the point
your goal is to put dragons in the graveyard to cheat them out\
so looting effects are good for you as well
Bazaar of Baghdad is probably the most expensive card you could run
Burning Inquiry
Geier Reach Sanitarium
tormenting voice
personaly i like
Venser, Shaper Savant
Braids, Cabal Minion
any one like Anvil of Bogardan in him? opponents get net 0 cards a turn with your general
i enjoy good mimic vat play but in my experience its so slow may have been just because i was running it in early versions of my daretti deck note its non-stax
i've never seen any one run riddlesmith how are you liking it?
and is there a reason your running unbender tine over or parallel to Voltaic Key
what do you guys think of Leovold, Emissary of Trest for a multiplayer stax commander. or is queen marchesa going to be the stronger one?
Venser, Shaper Savant is what i would run as a general in mass bounce hes ~$16 but hes so worth it
you know i was thinking about it today and Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas might not be so fragile after all there's a lot of protection out there
Cavern of Souls is a must have
all the shroud hexproof boots
bastion protector
boros charm
Karakas evades bring sent back to the command zone actualy not bad with sneak attack.
Safe Haven
Winding Canyons gives flash
Nim Deathmantle actually a realy interesting option since red is least played fallowed by white i can see intimidate being relevant its a bit slow though
there's some totem armor enchantments that are decent
Adarkar Valkyrie
Aegis Angel
Archangel Avacynflashes in gives indestructable, experience counter trigger and the flip wont kill Kalemne
Deathless Angel
Eight-and-a-Half-Tails
Grand Abolisher
red has some decent cheep filtering
Dangerous Wager if your feeling ballsy
wheels include
Mindmoil is kinda strange in boros but i can see it working out
Knollspine Dragon is pretty good as well esp if your running sneak attack
white just has cantrips
very few draw engines are stable
and hybrid only has
Nahiri, the Harbinger for filtering
personally i like
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker+restoration angel as both are very good independently
and any thing with flash or instant speed shenanigans.
typical boros rush wont work in multiplayer edh you might get one person voltron works because you can protect a general easier than an army.
i'm still waiting for a commander i can play american colors flicker/etb with and not be completely out of synergy with the deck. hoping there's a good one among the 4 color commander coming out in November.
2 cards i wouldn't go with out are containment priest and Aven Mindcensor
both are cheep,instant speed and hate out tutors that you don't have access to as well as preventing any deadeye/pali type combos
the main issues is that you roughly have 10 turns to win the game or to lock it out with a favorable position. non combo aggro decks (like modern boros) struggle to do the 80-140 damage required.
there is also Parallax Tide, mana vortex, and hokori, dust drinker
recently they released
if you can operate under your own lock via hanna shenanigans is there any problems with beating someone to death with something like sun titan/world queller or thoptars with swords?
other wincons could be march of the machines/starfield of nyx
imagine how people would feel if teferi's puzzle box killed them.
artifact sac
Throne of Geth
enchantment sac
Aura Fracture
Faith Healer
Barrin, Master Wizard
pretty much is screaming at you to add him
Perilous Research
Read the Runes
Reality Acid
Renounce
Smokestack
Soul Tithehanna can get it back as well
Abjure
Æther Barrier with flash creatures
view from above's is satified by shu yun under commander color identity rules.
his identity is expanded to blue white and red.
"A card's colour identity is its colour plus the colour of any mana symbols in the card's rules text. A card's colour identity is established before the game begins, and cannot be changed by game effects."
when i played her i typically did something like Phenax, God of Deception/altar of dementia + undead alchemist
which then gets you dread return, laboratory maniac, and Think Twice in your graveyard.
doomsday is also viable kinda a one card combo that sets up a win.
ad nauseam is kinda 1 card that finds you all you need to win with labman.
mirror-mad phantasm+any creature copy also puts your entire library into the graveyard which then wins you the game via dread return win
you shuffle the copy back into your deck and fail to find it since there is no mirror-mad phantasm in your deck any more.
if your generating infinite mana mirror-mad phantasm wins the game on its own by repeatedly triggering it and using the cards mentioned above