Mob Nixilis literally just come and toppled the rule of five families built over centuries, and the families couldn't even prevent, hinder, or defend themselves from his undermining? If he's taking Capenna by brute force, then I can understand how the families would have trouble fighting him, but Mob beat five families from scratch, in a GANGSTER game, all at once. Huh?
I'm not partial to modern MtG stories where PWs just swoop in and alter the world structure at will, and done so with such ease. It's far more interesting to read about how residents of each plane solve their own crisis, instead of having foreigners descend like some Hollywood heroes/villains, while the natives remain helpless audience. The side stories are so much better than ones with PWs in it.
And writers should really learn that showing is always better than telling. Unveil a character trait with gestures, mood, expressions, little talks, is better than writing it all out like a wikipedia entry.
This has been a routine complaint from me regarding the lore, so naturally I agree. Leading legends on a plane that evidently repelled original Phyrexia no less.
It’s a cheap method to reduce the lore to the least common denominator. Planeswalkers. Eliminate elements that actually confer some identity and interest in a plane, relegating it to nothing more than a backdrop or setting for the same recurring characters we can (and do) see everywhere already, so that nothing else stands out. Really robs the lore of any flavor, stakes and dimension.
The setting is interesting. I like the Obscura a lot
Love all the Elspeth art and lore thus far as well
my only complaint this far is if Ob kills Xander. I’m sick to death or Planeswalkers and would prefer to only have Elspeth here and explore her backstory and the history of the plane instead of Ob and the worst character in MtG, Vivian, who had the worst stories
I personally don't mind the noir or advanced technology aspects in fantasy. I just don't like the implications of that key art, in which Planeswalkers override flavorful legends in the lore. It's a recurring theme that makes them feel hollow and cheap, with no obstacles or challenges. I felt the same about Tibalt defeating a god on Kaldheim, in their own domain and on their own turf. At the end of the day, it's my opinion. I don't require approval to state it. I've been critical of this ever since Gideon's surral stalled an Eldrazi titan.
Demon-on-demon violence where the former oldwalker wins? Of all the recent examples of planeswalkers winning, this might be the most acceptable.
That's probably valid. I'm sensitive to it after a long list of examples that were not.
Jesus Christ is not fantasy. Show some respect. Defending a card game only to insult one of the leading worldwide faiths?
Talking animals, resurrections, grand magical people that rule universal forces, and more definitely are all parts of fantasy. I'm not trying to insult, and I apologize if it comes out that way, but faith or not you can't look at those aspects and say "that's reality."
Faith is the requisite to believing it was reality. You're welcome to lack that, if you wish, but don't fault or insult those of us who don't.
He looks like some suffering Jesus in a renaissance painting. The clothes on old Ob are pretty ugly though. It's a representation of the key tension in the set's flavor: it's supposed to be a fantasy game representing tropes that are very un-fantasy.
What's not fantasy about noir? Or... Suits I guess since you didn't specify what trope. Or, frankly, renaissance paintings of jesus, what's not fantasy about those?
Jesus Christ is not fantasy. Show some respect. Defending a card game only to insult one of the leading worldwide faiths?
I personally don't mind the noir or advanced technology aspects in fantasy. I just don't like the implications of that key art, in which Planeswalkers override flavorful legends in the lore. It's a recurring theme that makes them feel hollow and cheap, with no obstacles or challenges. I felt the same about Tibalt defeating a god on Kaldheim, in their own domain and on their own turf. At the end of the day, it's my opinion. I don't require approval to state it. I've been critical of this ever since Gideon's surral stalled an Eldrazi titan.
What demon? All the crime families have new flavourful legends that are alive.
Based on one of the key arts from the set
I’ve been wrong before. I also complained about C18 not featuring Serra and it turned out to have Arixmethes. Which we all know I adored. I’d like to be wrong about Ob killing a new character but we’ll see.
So you're complaining about something you've just assumed based on little evidence.
Right.
Well, something confirmed in the key art of the set. Visual evidence is rather compelling.
Lame. Another Planeswalker killing a flavorful legend on their own turf just to become the set's Mary Sue again
and just as we're introduced to them no less
What are you talking about?
Ob Nixlis killing the mafia boss demon
What demon? All the crime families have new flavourful legends that are alive.
Based on one of the key arts from the set
I’ve been wrong before. I also complained about C18 not featuring Serra and it turned out to have Arixmethes. Which we all know I adored. I’d like to be wrong about Ob killing a new character but we’ll see.
I miss when Commander decks weren't consistently plane-locked. They were an opportunity to glimpse other planes awaiting a return. Now they're more of the same. But I don't mind having less to purchase so.
This set will either be done right and a major hit, or
Creatively flop and set a dangerous precedent for nothing
...so the set will exist is what you're saying?
if its handled like kamigawa then their creative team is knocking it out of the park
Not really, because this is a following a more high tech/scifi set already, and tapping into 1900/1920's themes, so it has a higher threshold than most sets. It seems promising, but if isn't handled as well as Kamigawa, it may inspire the same derision that UB does.
Actually, this article is the entire problem. Neo-Nazis? Really? Way to buy into propaganda. And the Trump reference about "locker room talk" - way to push your political agendas on a card game forum and assume your opinions are the status quo, and the only right way to think. That's why everyone is sick of liberals and SJWs. Arrogance and ignorance. No one gives a damn bro, we're here for card games. Get over yourselves and off your righteous soapbox.
It’s a cheap method to reduce the lore to the least common denominator. Planeswalkers. Eliminate elements that actually confer some identity and interest in a plane, relegating it to nothing more than a backdrop or setting for the same recurring characters we can (and do) see everywhere already, so that nothing else stands out. Really robs the lore of any flavor, stakes and dimension.
The setting is interesting. I like the Obscura a lot
Love all the Elspeth art and lore thus far as well
my only complaint this far is if Ob kills Xander. I’m sick to death or Planeswalkers and would prefer to only have Elspeth here and explore her backstory and the history of the plane instead of Ob and the worst character in MtG, Vivian, who had the worst stories
I personally don't mind the noir or advanced technology aspects in fantasy. I just don't like the implications of that key art, in which Planeswalkers override flavorful legends in the lore. It's a recurring theme that makes them feel hollow and cheap, with no obstacles or challenges. I felt the same about Tibalt defeating a god on Kaldheim, in their own domain and on their own turf. At the end of the day, it's my opinion. I don't require approval to state it. I've been critical of this ever since Gideon's surral stalled an Eldrazi titan.
I’ve been wrong before. I also complained about C18 not featuring Serra and it turned out to have Arixmethes. Which we all know I adored. I’d like to be wrong about Ob killing a new character but we’ll see.
and just as we're introduced to them no less
Nice Innistrad themed legends. I miss when we had Commander decks introducing more characters from past planes, as a peek while we await a return.