I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
Why not just get some Kraken Hatchling cards to have on hand? They're dirt cheap and easy to acquire.
I have many, and even main deck one. I just wanted to adapt an effect that was appropriate for paper magic.
I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
No more broken than having a phantom hand of Kraken Hatchling. You can have those at the ready and each activation put one in your hand.
Yeah, I do prefer that, but wasn't sure if it works in Commander. There's no sideboard to "wish" from, right? Unless you can? Then again, if I'm house rules allowing this proxy, it wouldn't matter I suppose.
Making these "digital only" cards is a total self-own by WotC.
Start the printers, proxy away, WotC is asking for it.
(Wonder how these cards will be treated in the casual Commander scene, if a proxy of this is just totally fine, as its a "legal" magic card, but does not have a "legal" paper print)
I wonder, when I absolutely proxy this and pay nothing to WOTC, should we play the +1 ability in my playgroup as "Pay U. Create a 0/4 blue Kraken creature token" or is that too broken?
I will repeat myself again : this digital-only experiment is a failure that nobody likes, both on intent and execution.
I like it. Flawed, yes, but its got neat ideas. You're welcome to not like it, but your personal opinion doesn't define its success or failure.
Yeah, "A failure that nobody likes" is a bit strong for a product that's not even released yet. I'm willing to give it a chance.
Are you serious? It's neither strong nor intense ENOUGH
Imagine my abject horror, my pain, my ANGUISH at seeing this art and card, only to have my sudden elation, my thrill, the sudden swell of love and passion I felt for this game seeing my dearest desire come to fruition... all turn into dashed hopes, isolation, and exclusion.
But that's okay, perhaps when WOTC has mined all creative space dating back to 1950's cartoons they'll find the time to circle back to a Kiora card we can actually play
The sheer fact they had this artwork and design on hand is just unprecedented to me, in the worst of ways. And if they actually commissioned this for digital when paper magic was in dire need of a new Kiora and was requested, and they refused, even worse still.
Uh oh. An affordable thassa who easily produces kraken and it’s digital only?
Someone better hide this from Tiro.
Too late.
When I first heard about these digital-exclusive cards, I thought to myself gee, what a terrible idea. But what's new? WOTC has been chock full of awful, detrimental, self-sabotaging, fan-alienating, devastating decisions that compromise the Magic brand lately. This is right on theme for them, right? And I almost thought I could simply avoid this problem, and be unaffected by it.
Honestly I don't even have strength left to HATE this game as much I deserve and need to FAWKING HATE THIS GAME
Here I am WAITING for WOTC to get off their collective uninspired, pathetic, profit-driven and creative-stifling asses and FINALLY deliver something WORTHWHILE and THEMATIC for a change as A LEGION OF SEA MONSTER FANS AND I BEG, PLEAD, BORROW AND STEAL for a reason to actually love their game, and when they AT LONG LONG LONG LAST design a new Kiora that I HAVE LONGED AND WAITED EONS FOR IN A GAME DEVOID OF ANYTHING WORTHWHILE SINCE THEROS BEYOND DEATH and FINALLY
FINALLY
Deliver a freaking Kiora with STUNNING ART and brilliant, thematic, archetype-supportive effects THAT I HAVE USED THE VERY LAST DEATH RATTLE OF MY DYING BREATH WHEEZED FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY DECREPIT ROTTING LUNGS TO PLEAD FOR (and whose effects could EASILY be adapted to a paper game, such as putting a 0/4 token into play or tutoring the card or ANYTHING, so you can spare me that BS IMMEDIATELY).... AFTER FINALLY ACTUALLY GETTING A CARD that manages to satisfy ever metric I have ever requested, wanted, longed and hoped for... EVEN AS SOMEONE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO PLEASE
AFTER SEA MONSTER FANS HAVE NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING relative to everything else, and need a bone, and have been requesting oceanic themed cards and basically getting an 8 drop vanilla common ONCE A YEAR AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, AFTER GETTING TRASH PLANESWALKERS AND NO KIORA OR ANYTHING OF INTEREST DESPITE ALL THESE REQUESTS
This gem of an artwork, jewel of a design, treasure of a thematic support card that answers every wish and prayer ocean fans have bloodied our knees in pleas for arrives.
And WOTC has the audacity, the spite, the livid, deep seated hatred of its own fan and consumer base to tell us that it will NEVER SEE PRINT? That this exact fulfillment of YEARS OF REQUESTS, YEARS OF PATIENCE AND WAITING, YEARS OF A DESIRE TO PATRONIZE THEIR PRODUCT is going to result in.....
Exclusion?
I suppose it really is part of their business model now. I mean,
As a Vorthos, the absent Theros novel and lore in ruins made me right at home
As LGBT, Greg Weisman's homophobic masterpiece performed wonders with inclusivity
As a fan of Magic IP, Universes Beyond has had been a splendid method of suggesting "you know what Tiro, you loving the actual Magic brand just isn't cutting it enough for us anymore."
And now we're here my friends. We're here, after a year of a pandemic in which everyone is broke, anxious, deprived and shaken. We're here... with the clearest, loudest, most vibrant message WOTC can send - that they truly do not want me to admire their IP. Because being a Kiora fan, a blue fan, a sea monster fan, a fan of something ACTUALLY MAGIC RELATED, WHICH I WAITED FOR, just isn't in the cards for me as an actual Magic player.
I can have Godzilla, The Walking Dead, Lord of the Rings, Dungeons and Dragons, and some other bullchit IP I never heard of that is some stupid show on TV no one watches whose name I neither know or remember or care to FAWKING know and will never commit to memory even if I did. I can have cards for all that. For all of those non-Magic characters, cards will be printed and cards will be had.
But not for this Kiora, from Magic the Gathering. See this character here, designed explicitly for this game? See Kiora from the books? Kiora from the lore? Kiora invented by MTG? See this art here, this gorgeous, high quality, stunning, remarkable, brilliant, brand-elevating artwork here that you have longed to love and have as part of this game you're so desperate to admire and patronize? That is something you'll never see, never own, never hold, never have as an aspect of this game ever, while everyone else with outrageous cross-brand demands gets their wishes fulfilled - me, a Magic fan, requesting a Magic IP character, supporting a Magic tribe, to play in Magic's best selling and leading premier format at the moment - I cannot have or enjoy this.
If you told me it would be easier to own a Gandalf card than an actual Kiora card like this in Magic the fawking ass Gathering paper game two years ago, I'd probably still believe you honestly.
It's as if WOTC doesn't want us playing this game except THEIR WAY. And that truly is as Yugioh, and as Konami as it gets.
AND I HATE YUGIOH AND KONAMI for this exact reason. I quit that TRASH. Because they punish fans of their game. They're oblivious to what players actually want, and do the opposite, banning cards and powercreeping people out of the game. And here we are, isolation, exclusion AND ABSOLUTE DISREGARD FOR LOGIC AND REASON, THE EQUIVALENT OF GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS RIGHT?
It's just UNFATHOMABLE to me frankly. That they would have this art and design on hand, and it could have been celebrated in a Commander deck. It could have been a promo somewhere, or part of a current or future set, it literally could have been the CELEBRATED HIGHLIGHT of ANYTHING it was in, truly. The potential alone with this was astronomical.
And it was squandered in an attempt to spit in my face. I SWEAR, if someone sat down and EXPLICITLY tried to devise a way to screw me in particular, this was it.
Instead, they treat this fond opportunity to dash hopes and isolate people. You want this? You play Magic our way.
HEY WOTC. THIS HAS THE OPPOSITE EFFECT BY THE WAAAAAAAY now I HATE HISTORIC. I RESENT HISTORIC. I WILL NEVER, EVER TOUCH ARENA EVER EVER EVER AND I would sooner QUIT THIS GAME AND DROP YOUR BRAND than be forced.
Bring me the fool who thought of this. Bring them so I can tear them apart with my nails and teeth sis.
Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis - non foil, new frame
Thrasios, Triton Hero - non foil
Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix - non foil
Silas Renn, Seeker Adept - non foil
Defense of the Heart - the judge art, non foil
Sunken Ruins - Expedition art, non-foil
Flooded Grove - Expedition art, non foil
Breeding Pool - Expedition art, non foil
Worldly Tutor - CC Green doesn't count, and not feeling that art either
Sunken City - (new frame)
Asceticism - (new art)
Thassa, god of the sea - new frame
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Training Grounds
Please STOP making Commander cards only option as foil.
*taps index finger menacingly at the center of the table*
This. This is what I want.
Do not worry, you are not getting your rare (or, shall I say, well-done) blue traitorous wizard boy anyway
Get off my lawn and don't come back
I fully expect if I ever see Choryu, it'll be in a supplemental product, instead of as Jenrik territory. I really would love to see Kamigawa as a more resonant Japan world, that reintroduces what was admired about the original, and not some tech/cyberpunk world. Anime influences can be permissible to an extent, if they go the Sailor Moon/Crystal Tokyo route. But if it's mechas and all that mess, like Gundam or something, then I don't know. There's enough in anime that would align well with feudal Japan and magic/fantasy without resorting to another extreme.
I hope they get the balance right, because I am not about to tolerate Kamigawa being blamed, when it is in fact adored and has potential.
Our glimpse of Kamigawa with Yuriko doesn't indicate it is cyberpunk, and Neon Dynasty doesn't need to mean that. Unless she was from old timeline Kamigawa.
I'd prefer an updated, resonant Kamigawa, but still retain that feudal theme.
Actually, this article is the entire problem. Neo-Nazis? Really? Way to buy into propaganda. And the Trump reference about "locker room talk" - way to push your political agendas on a card game forum and assume your opinions are the status quo, and the only right way to think. That's why everyone is sick of liberals and SJWs. Arrogance and ignorance. No one gives a damn bro, we're here for card games. Get over yourselves and off your righteous soapbox.
Imagine my abject horror, my pain, my ANGUISH at seeing this art and card, only to have my sudden elation, my thrill, the sudden swell of love and passion I felt for this game seeing my dearest desire come to fruition... all turn into dashed hopes, isolation, and exclusion.
But that's okay, perhaps when WOTC has mined all creative space dating back to 1950's cartoons they'll find the time to circle back to a Kiora card we can actually play
The sheer fact they had this artwork and design on hand is just unprecedented to me, in the worst of ways. And if they actually commissioned this for digital when paper magic was in dire need of a new Kiora and was requested, and they refused, even worse still.
When I first heard about these digital-exclusive cards, I thought to myself gee, what a terrible idea. But what's new? WOTC has been chock full of awful, detrimental, self-sabotaging, fan-alienating, devastating decisions that compromise the Magic brand lately. This is right on theme for them, right? And I almost thought I could simply avoid this problem, and be unaffected by it.
Honestly I don't even have strength left to HATE this game as much I deserve and need to FAWKING HATE THIS GAME
Here I am WAITING for WOTC to get off their collective uninspired, pathetic, profit-driven and creative-stifling asses and FINALLY deliver something WORTHWHILE and THEMATIC for a change as A LEGION OF SEA MONSTER FANS AND I BEG, PLEAD, BORROW AND STEAL for a reason to actually love their game, and when they AT LONG LONG LONG LAST design a new Kiora that I HAVE LONGED AND WAITED EONS FOR IN A GAME DEVOID OF ANYTHING WORTHWHILE SINCE THEROS BEYOND DEATH and FINALLY
FINALLY
Deliver a freaking Kiora with STUNNING ART and brilliant, thematic, archetype-supportive effects THAT I HAVE USED THE VERY LAST DEATH RATTLE OF MY DYING BREATH WHEEZED FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY DECREPIT ROTTING LUNGS TO PLEAD FOR (and whose effects could EASILY be adapted to a paper game, such as putting a 0/4 token into play or tutoring the card or ANYTHING, so you can spare me that BS IMMEDIATELY).... AFTER FINALLY ACTUALLY GETTING A CARD that manages to satisfy ever metric I have ever requested, wanted, longed and hoped for... EVEN AS SOMEONE NOTORIOUSLY DIFFICULT TO PLEASE
AFTER SEA MONSTER FANS HAVE NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING relative to everything else, and need a bone, and have been requesting oceanic themed cards and basically getting an 8 drop vanilla common ONCE A YEAR AS AN AFTERTHOUGHT, AFTER GETTING TRASH PLANESWALKERS AND NO KIORA OR ANYTHING OF INTEREST DESPITE ALL THESE REQUESTS
This gem of an artwork, jewel of a design, treasure of a thematic support card that answers every wish and prayer ocean fans have bloodied our knees in pleas for arrives.
And WOTC has the audacity, the spite, the livid, deep seated hatred of its own fan and consumer base to tell us that it will NEVER SEE PRINT? That this exact fulfillment of YEARS OF REQUESTS, YEARS OF PATIENCE AND WAITING, YEARS OF A DESIRE TO PATRONIZE THEIR PRODUCT is going to result in.....
Exclusion?
I suppose it really is part of their business model now. I mean,
As a Vorthos, the absent Theros novel and lore in ruins made me right at home
As LGBT, Greg Weisman's homophobic masterpiece performed wonders with inclusivity
As a fan of Magic IP, Universes Beyond has had been a splendid method of suggesting "you know what Tiro, you loving the actual Magic brand just isn't cutting it enough for us anymore."
And now we're here my friends. We're here, after a year of a pandemic in which everyone is broke, anxious, deprived and shaken. We're here... with the clearest, loudest, most vibrant message WOTC can send - that they truly do not want me to admire their IP. Because being a Kiora fan, a blue fan, a sea monster fan, a fan of something ACTUALLY MAGIC RELATED, WHICH I WAITED FOR, just isn't in the cards for me as an actual Magic player.
I can have Godzilla, The Walking Dead, Lord of the Rings, Dungeons and Dragons, and some other bullchit IP I never heard of that is some stupid show on TV no one watches whose name I neither know or remember or care to FAWKING know and will never commit to memory even if I did. I can have cards for all that. For all of those non-Magic characters, cards will be printed and cards will be had.
But not for this Kiora, from Magic the Gathering. See this character here, designed explicitly for this game? See Kiora from the books? Kiora from the lore? Kiora invented by MTG? See this art here, this gorgeous, high quality, stunning, remarkable, brilliant, brand-elevating artwork here that you have longed to love and have as part of this game you're so desperate to admire and patronize? That is something you'll never see, never own, never hold, never have as an aspect of this game ever, while everyone else with outrageous cross-brand demands gets their wishes fulfilled - me, a Magic fan, requesting a Magic IP character, supporting a Magic tribe, to play in Magic's best selling and leading premier format at the moment - I cannot have or enjoy this.
If you told me it would be easier to own a Gandalf card than an actual Kiora card like this in Magic the fawking ass Gathering paper game two years ago, I'd probably still believe you honestly.
It's as if WOTC doesn't want us playing this game except THEIR WAY. And that truly is as Yugioh, and as Konami as it gets.
AND I HATE YUGIOH AND KONAMI for this exact reason. I quit that TRASH. Because they punish fans of their game. They're oblivious to what players actually want, and do the opposite, banning cards and powercreeping people out of the game. And here we are, isolation, exclusion AND ABSOLUTE DISREGARD FOR LOGIC AND REASON, THE EQUIVALENT OF GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS RIGHT?
It's just UNFATHOMABLE to me frankly. That they would have this art and design on hand, and it could have been celebrated in a Commander deck. It could have been a promo somewhere, or part of a current or future set, it literally could have been the CELEBRATED HIGHLIGHT of ANYTHING it was in, truly. The potential alone with this was astronomical.
And it was squandered in an attempt to spit in my face. I SWEAR, if someone sat down and EXPLICITLY tried to devise a way to screw me in particular, this was it.
Instead, they treat this fond opportunity to dash hopes and isolate people. You want this? You play Magic our way.
HEY WOTC. THIS HAS THE OPPOSITE EFFECT BY THE WAAAAAAAY now I HATE HISTORIC. I RESENT HISTORIC. I WILL NEVER, EVER TOUCH ARENA EVER EVER EVER AND I would sooner QUIT THIS GAME AND DROP YOUR BRAND than be forced.
Bring me the fool who thought of this. Bring them so I can tear them apart with my nails and teeth sis.
Thrasios, Triton Hero - non foil
Kydele, Chosen of Kruphix - non foil
Silas Renn, Seeker Adept - non foil
Defense of the Heart - the judge art, non foil
Sunken Ruins - Expedition art, non-foil
Flooded Grove - Expedition art, non foil
Breeding Pool - Expedition art, non foil
Worldly Tutor - CC Green doesn't count, and not feeling that art either
Sunken City - (new frame)
Asceticism - (new art)
Thassa, god of the sea - new frame
Avacyn, Angel of Hope
Training Grounds
Please STOP making Commander cards only option as foil.
I fully expect if I ever see Choryu, it'll be in a supplemental product, instead of as Jenrik territory. I really would love to see Kamigawa as a more resonant Japan world, that reintroduces what was admired about the original, and not some tech/cyberpunk world. Anime influences can be permissible to an extent, if they go the Sailor Moon/Crystal Tokyo route. But if it's mechas and all that mess, like Gundam or something, then I don't know. There's enough in anime that would align well with feudal Japan and magic/fantasy without resorting to another extreme.
I hope they get the balance right, because I am not about to tolerate Kamigawa being blamed, when it is in fact adored and has potential.
I'd prefer an updated, resonant Kamigawa, but still retain that feudal theme.
This. This is what I want.
YES
Honestly, I am ready for some leaky weaky