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Treasure Cruisin' Shalai Brawl
 
Ravnica: The Broken Guildpact
  • posted a message on Full spoiler is up
    I think my biggest issue with the set is that they threw all these reprints in there without re-flavoring any of them. It seems weird to have Amonkhet and Ravnica themed/flavor cards without changing them here. Why change doubling season and leave things like greater good and land tax untouched?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Reserved List Discussion
    A couple things here:

    What I think you are missing is many players don't care if there decks are super optimized and don't like super optimized efficient play because it's too fast and consistent. Hell, most players don't goldfish their decks on TappedOut or MTG Salvation. There are tons of Magic players that like the game but aren't on MTGS or reddit and in the know of the community. There are tons of players that don't play at LGS's and only play with their friends. You can call it ignorance, although I think that's a bit pretentious, but regardless of the reason, players like you that are eager to play with reprinted cards on the reserved list are in a small minority of players.

    If they made the battlebond basically lands typed, they would literally function as original duals in Commander which is too powerful for cards Wizards wants to print today. It isn't even necessary because there are plenty of dual lands in the format so you don't need another dual land that has to be perfect.


    My point is that those players will play with what they have. They typically have commander precons and such that leave them with guild gates, evolving wilds/terramorphic expanses, etc. These types of players that do finally visit an LGS or hit up the internet for some suggestions find the most common suggestion is to fix their mana base and they often start looking into it (this has been a personal experience when dealing with new players that get into magic with commander). If the cards are available, people will build with them.

    There actually are only 2 dual lands in commander other than ABU's and that is Shock-lands and Tango-lands (you may or may not count Murmuring Bosk). I'd hardly call that dozens. There are a lot of untyped non-basics and that is fine and all, but typed land types are what we could certainly use more of (especially if they are essentially worthless to legacy and vintage players, which seems to be a driving force, to avoid crazy price inflation).
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Reserved List Discussion
    The people that view Sea of Clouds and Tundra as identical have probably never even had the chance to play a game with that kind of efficient mana (ie fetch into ABU dual). Whenever I am helping a newer player improve their deck, they are always skeptical of shocks and fetches until they play them for a few games. The battlebond cycle would have been fantastic in commander if they had land types. As is, they're decent, but limited in what can pull them out of library.

    The argument of "you don't need dual lands" basically seems to boil down to people just not having the chance to play said cards to understand why legacy decks run them. Ignorance due to lack of availability is hardly a reason to point towards when looking to deny any further availability.

    They literally could have solved the dual land problem in commander by making the battlebond land cycle typed, but they still avoid typing non basics as often as possible for fear they create a land to replace ABU's. We'll definitely never see anything in standard better than or equivocal to shocks because of the fragile balance that is modern.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Reserved List Discussion
    Yes, go into in any group of commander players and start talking about banning relatively tame cards like aetherflux reservoir and you'll see an instant dumpster fire of competitive commander players calling out "casuals". I can go by personal experience based on the large commander groups of 50+ players I play with frequently
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on (Let's get ready to) Fumble
    Quote from Lumovanis »
    This card seems like it could be decent in commander, the sad part is a lot of the equipment in commander is boots, so a lot of the time it won't have a secondary effect. That being said, those times you steal a Sword of Feast and Famine or a Helm of the Host is going to be pretty great.


    Boros (as well as its subsets) likes Sword of Fire and Ice and Mask of Memory, among others. Or even Sword of Feast and Famine just to go infinite with Aggravated Assault.


    Pretty sure Fire and Ice gives pro blue
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Reserved List Discussion
    The sweeping assumptions that no one cares if cards like dual lands are reprinted is pretty preposterous, I doubt there are many players that wouldn't jam underground seas in with their watery graves if they had them. The assumption that most commander players are hyper casuals that would settle for playing subpar cards is also not true. There are a lot of really new and/casual players, but I know at my LGS's, most people are constantly putting money into their decks or trying to trade up to improve the efficiency of their mana bases.

    I'm not even that boiled about dual lands or ridiculous cards like tabernacle.... I'm annoyed that cards like Academy Rector, Gaea's Cradle, Serra's Sanctum, Volrath's Stronghold, Grim Monolith, Power Artifact, Nether Void, Invoke Prejudice, Palinchron, Gate to Phyrexia, Lifeline, Time Spiral, Lake of the Dead, Mox Diamond, Lion's Eye Diamond, etc that range from good to great in commander are starting to cost body parts.

    Collectors aren't even the real problem, it's investors coming in to pump and dump. People that don't even play magic coming in to profit on the secondary market at the expense of players. A lot of these cards are either unique and irreplaceable or simply so much better at ramping then any cheaper counterparts that it would actually be frustrating at times to run them. I may be in the minority of players that actually have LGS's fire commander pods for prizes, but surely not the only one that likes playing with quality cards.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on (Let's get ready to) Fumble
    This card seems like it could be decent in commander, the sad part is a lot of the equipment in commander is boots, so a lot of the time it won't have a secondary effect. That being said, those times you steal a Sword of Feast and Famine or a Helm of the Host is going to be pretty great.

    I think one of the more interesting uses for it is bouncing an arrested/pacified creature you control and then moving the aura onto their creature. Vulshok Battlemaster and Armory Automaton seem pretty hilarious with it too I suppose.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on One(ish) card win condition. Godo, Bandit Warlord + Helm of the Host
    If you're that concerned about fogs, you'll run stuff to get around it like Leyline of Punishment or just more equipment.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on MTG, the worst community?
    Anyone who thinks the magic community as a whole is the most toxic is clearly not familiar with the rabid fan community of Rick and Morty, which even the producers are forced to distance themselves from (remember the sauce incident?). Aside from that, the League of Legends community still stands as one of the most toxic I've ever dealt with personally. Yes, there are a few really toxic individuals who form sexist/racist groups and get followings sometimes in the magic community, but Wizards has actually stepped up and really started to fight back against the blatant ones (the Sprinkle incident is a good example, it's a shame she felt she had to remove herself from the community before it was handled though). People are toxic everywhere though, it's nothing that any one community has a monopoly on.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Battlebond Seems Like It Will Be A Good Masters Set
    As a pure commander player, it feels like we got a second set this year Smile

    The prices on the singles are huge though compared to other recent sets. Arena Rector is starting at €20 on MCM right now. I get that it's a good card and €10 would be totally fine but €20? All the normal playable rares that are somewhat playable start at €4. These prices really need to come down, or i'm skipping it entirely. I also expect to want some core 19 and commander stuff and unfortunately I don't make as much as wizards would want me to :p


    Don't preorder then. Wait until people start cracking boxes and drafting the set to buy singles. Of course, you run the risk of a card like rector getting even MORE popular and more expensive. I think it's a safe bet that the rector won't really drop much below where it's at... turns out rector for walkers is pretty good and appealing to a wide variety of players. Anything remotely playable in commander will be getting targeted for preorder right now, I wouldn't even bother. That being said, prices on most cards won't stay high as the packs are just standard-priced packs and not masters or anything.
    Posted in: New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on One(ish) card win condition. Godo, Bandit Warlord + Helm of the Host
    Quote from Gashnaw »
    Only 1 godo per attack pause though. (Until you swing for win. Get fogged and then get wreaked for having no blockers. (Or just 1)


    Pretty sure all those Godos can fetch a Hammer of Nazahn, then start throwing equipment onto the original (including a haste piece) and give it vigilance and an Argentum Armor to wreck everyone anyways.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Reserved List Discussion
    People not caring about the reserved list cards used to be pretty common. Nowadays, more and more people are playing commander as investors buyout RL staples. Everyone I've talked to about the RL at both my LGS's is over it. Even the guy with a tabernacle who just bought a Mishra's workshop before it spiked again (and runs LED, alpha duals, etc).

    Cards like grim monolith and academy rector should not be half of what they are.

    As far as your tabernacle suggestion... the same people that would be upset by a reprint would be upset at the sacrifice addendum on a functional reprint.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Reserved List Discussion
    Quote from Trumplebot »
    Quote from Lakanna »

    The RL is 905 garbage, cards that nobody cares about at all. The remaining 10%, though are cards that are literally irreplacable.


    Here i highly disagree. Take a look at the new battlebound lands. Stick 2 Landtypes to them, and you have viable duallands for commander.
    Stick a similar duel player clause on them, and you have vial duallands for legacy.

    Take the tabernacle and replace the destroy effect with a sacrifice effect, and you have a functional different card that does the same in 90% of the decks.

    And why not do one for just 2W? yes, it would be easier splashable, but if that effect for that price were so important, they could do it.

    I do belive wizards could easily replace reserved list cards. But they simply have no intrest in doing so. Allowing more people to play legacy only means allowing more people to not spend money on magic for playing beside some start investement. That is what wizards have no intrest in doing.
    They want you to spend money again and again, not once and then a small upkeep cost each year.

    Thats why i think the reserved list discussion is the wrong discussion. Why we don´t get cards to replace the reserved list cards is the question.


    I think you missed part of your quote;


    Quote from Lithl »
    You can't forget that it's not just reprints that are forbidden by the RL, it's also functional reprints.


    A tabernacle with sacrifice or a spirit for 2W is literally a functional reprint that is forbidden by the RL as written.

    Allowing more people to play legacy only means allowing more people to not spend money on magic for playing beside some start investement. That is what wizards have no intrest in doing.
    They want you to spend money again and again, not once and then a small upkeep cost each year.


    I disagree on this. If this were the case, modern masters staples like fetchlands surely wouldn't be worth what they are by now. They could print dual lands over and over again and they'd still sell sets. Tossing in occasional cards like tabernacle, cradle or chains would only drive those sales harder. Nope, pretty much the only thing the RL is doing right now is letting non-players profit off players currently.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on [[Official]] Reserved List Discussion
    I'm sorry some of you guys missed the boat on Legacy and Vintage. I guess it kind of sucks but you aren't being punished and Wizards doesn't have an obligation to help players enter dying unpopular formats. Besides there are plenty of other ways to play Magic that don't involve Wizards reprinting cards the majority of the player base don't enjoy playing with and that don't involve explicitly breaking a promise.

    Cards like Tabernacle are such an outlier in formats like Commander it's hardly worth mentioning. The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale isn't even played in 1/10th of 1% of Commander decks.


    I would hardly call commander a dying and unpopular format. No one has any idea how things would shake out for Legacy and Vintage if RL cards were reprinted, surely it would see some increased interest at least, but that's not really a primary concern. Pretty sure the reason Tabernacle isn't in more decks is literally because its always been a $500+ card since commander started to become really popular. It seems like an almost auto include in any sort of creature-light control deck and/or decks like super friends. People don't even bother putting it in lists because it's so unrealistically expensive. Cards like Academy Rector, Serra's Sanctum and Gaea's Cradle are more problematic to be getting more expensive honestly because they are super strong in commander.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Weibo Spoiler - Generous Sponsor
    That moment when infect can draw a lot of cards when chump blocked >_>
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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