MTG Salvation

How about a Shark Hydra? Or even better, a Dragon Hydra?

I think red just found its new best 1 cmc creature.

White: Stoneforge Mystic allows me to tutor an Equipment, and cheat Equipment onto the battlefield.
Blue: Snapcaster Mage grants flashback to any instant or sorcery card in my graveyard.
Black: Dark Confidant draws me extra cards at a reasonable price.
Green: Tarmogoyf gets bigger with every card type in all graveyards.
Red: Hold my beer.

Charming Prince + Frogify + True Love's Kiss = FLAVOR

Oh the world will sing of an English King
A thousand years from now
And not because he passed some laws
Or had that lofty brow
While bonny good King Richard leads
The great crusade he's on
We'll all have to slave away
For that good-for-nothin' John!
Incredible as he is inept
Whenever the history books are kept
They'll call him the phony king of England
A pox on the phony king of England!

He sits alone on a giant throne
Pretendin' he's the king
A little tyke who's rather like
A puppet on a string
And he throws an angry tantrum
If he cannot have his way...

And then he calls for Mum
While he's suckin' his thumb
You see, he doesn't want to play

Too late to be known as John the First
He's sure to be known as John the worst
A pox on that phony king of England!
Lay that country on me, babe!

While he taxes us to pieces
And he robs us of our bread
King Richard's crown keeps slippin' down
Around that pointed head
Ah! But while there is a merry man
In Robin's wily pack
We'll find a way to make him pay
And steal our money back
A minute before he knows we're there...

Ol' Rob'll snatch his underwear

The breezy and uneasy king of England
The snivellin', grovellin'
Measly, weasely
Blabberin', jabberin'
Gibberin', gabberin'
Blunderin', plunderin'
Wheelin', dealin'
Prince John, that phony king of England
Yeah!

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Oh god this is what, the fifth "clever" pentacolor legend in the last two years?
It's also the third white one
Impressively boring and generic...

Yeah, they've been overdoing that design style and rarely do true 5-color commanders.

Probably, because it's easier to design.

Not to mention there are a ton of full WUBRG legends already:


And as of ELD, there will be seven "one and all" legends:

General Tazri: WUBRG legend for Allies.
Ramos, Dragon Engine: Flavor throwback to Mercadian Masques, served as a WUBRG commander for the Dragons deck.
Najeela, the Blade-Blossom: WUBRG legend for Warriors.
Sisay, Weatherlight Captain: WUBRG legend for the WUBRG Weatherlight crew.
Golos, Tireless Pilgrim: Tutors lands and helps mana fix.
Morophon, the Boundless: WUBRG legend for whatever tribe you please.
Kenrith, the Returned King: WUBRG King Arthur for Knights, Wizards, and all the other Arthurian goodness.

I like them, as they can hit design space that full WUBRG really can't. For example, let's say someone wanted a WUBRG Elf legend. Now Elves are good at tapping for mana, but most only tap for G. A legend that grants "T: Add one mana of any color" to your Elves would be highly useful. But that's a bit wasted on a WUBRG legend, as by the time you cast that you don't really need color fixing anymore. However, what if the Elf legend cost 2G? To make the WUBRG part less of a gimme, the legend gives Elves you control "T: Add one mana of any color in this creature's color identity". Then not only do you have a commander that helps you color fix and ramp (they can tap for one mana of any color, helping you cast multicolor Elves), you also have a reward for playing Elves of all five colors.

Point is, making WUBRG legends actually cost WUBRG all the time puts constraints on what functional designs you can make. For starters, you can't make a legend that costs less than 5 mana. Not every commander wants a cmc of 5+. There's also the fact a solid WUBRG commander is harder to reliably cast. A monocolor or even colorless commander with WUBRG identity is easier to play, thanks to the option of a lower cmc and requiring fewer colors to play.

At any rate, these kinds of WUBRG legends are every bit as valid as "true" WUBRG legends.

People are overlooking the fact this is an instant. You can't Lava Coil a creature in response to them attacking.

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tl;dr: Women dominating men = progressive. Men dominating women = regressive.

I'm not even going to start touching upon the BLM movement, because we're skating on thin ice here as it is.

I will however point out that your statement is incredibly sexist, and demonstrates the problem I have with the feminist movement. They are basically trying to replace one kind of sexism with another. I'm supposed to be submissive to a woman simply because I was born male and she wasn't? My sex dictates the role I'm supposed to play, now? How long before "cultural subversion" becomes the culture to be subverted? How long before we're "allowed" to have a "masculinist" movement to return rights to men? And how long before that movement becomes just another reverse sexism movement to be countered by another feminist movement?

Not to mention there's extreme moral myopia at play here. *****es like Liliana are allowed to get away with their ***** because it's "subversive"? If we had "Davriel's Caress" showing him telling a woman that it might not hurt as much if she doesn't fight, everybody would have thrown an utter *****storm over the heavy undertones of sexual assault. But since it's a woman telling a man not to fight, it's okay?

See, I'm asking for a fairly even representastion of men and women in dominant roles, and I'm being told "no, women should be dominant now". You choosing whether someone should be dominant or not based on their sex, and relative to another character's sex at that, is the very definition of sexism. What you're doing is trying to balance out one wrongdoing with another. You want to counter historic pro-male sexism with pro-female sexism. Basically, the old "Eye for an eye". And when men like me get sick and tired of being told "no, you're men, you should be submissive", just like what happened to women in centuries past, we're gonna fight back. And then we're gonna have another round of counter-sexist *****fighting, followed by another round of counter-sexist revolution. Lather, rinse, repeat ad nauseam.

At what point will men have suffered enough? At what point will we all have suffered enough? And why should the men of tomorrow have to suffer for the sins committed by the men of yesterday? That's even more sexist, the idea that I have to be submissive because men who lived 100 years ago were forcefully dominant. Hell no! That's the exact kind of mentality Judeo-Christians use as an excuse to oppress women, because don't you know, Eve tempted Adam to commit the original sin, so now all women are guilty!

As long as society has the attitude that one sex or the other should be dominant or submissive, it's a sexist society, and therefore problematic. We can only truly be a fair, just society if we quit trying to force roles upon one sex or the other. And right now, you're advocating forcing roles upon somebody because of their sex. You are trying to establish a fundamental difference in status and role between men and women, which is exactly what the patriarchical societies of old did, but for a different sex. That is not fair, that is not just, that is not progressive, that is not right! Sex-based oppression (or oppression of any kind, for that matter) isn't right when it's done against women, it isn't right when it's done against men, it isn't right at all.

And this isn't even taking into account transgenders and transsexuals. A transgender man is supposed to be submissive to a woman even though biologically he was once a woman himself? A transgender woman is allowed to be dominant now because she's no longer a man, or didn't identify as one to begin with? And how the flying fuzz do nonbinaries figure into the whole picture? Why are we choosing whether or not someone is "supposed" to be dominant or submissive based on gender or sex? How about we judge based on a person-by-person basis instead?

People need to learn the difference between allowing equality and forcing it. Allowing equality creates a benevolent, progressive system where people can choose their role and express themselves without fear of being prejudiced and punished. Forcing "equality" creates an oppressive, dictatorial system driven by arbitrary quotas that ignores actual personal merit, dismisses complaints of unprotected demographics, and punishes anybody who dares to speak out against the system's dogmas. Right now I'm living in a society that forces "equality", where the very idea of a person of one particular sex being dominant is viewed as regressive purely because of the sex in question rather than the actual personal dynamic at work.

The funny thing is, if I was a woman writing all this, you'd be telling me I should be dominant because I'm a woman. All I have to do is undergo a sex change and suddenly I qualify for the dominant role, even though I'm still the same person on the inside.

This post is most likely going to get moderated because it's controversial and barely on-topic. Normally I'd spoiler such a lengthy post for the sake of sparing scrolling, but I want my statements to be seen and heard before they get nuked. I'm not going to let fear of punishment silence me prematurely. I have a right to speak out against a perceived injustice, just as everyone else does, and I'm going to exercise that right to the fullest extent possible. I'm saving screencaps of our comments for posterity.

Anyway, counterblue Mana Leak is counterblue Mana Leak. Whoop-de-doo.

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You ever notice how, whenever a character of one gender is dominating a character of a different gender in the art, it's always a female dominating a male? Why don't we ever see the reverse? It's hard to call it equal representation when the representation isn't actually equal.

wouldn't want to cause another ***** storm ala Triumph of Ferocity is my best guess.

And yet Liliana's Caress was a-ok...

Just to clarify for everybody here, my umbrage isn't with Mystical Dispute itself. It's the long-term trend Magic's had of favoring women over men whenever it comes to a conflict between the two even though it's supposed to be giving fair treatment, and seeing yet another example of bias in the art direction just kinda brought me to a boiling point. I wouldn't take issue with this if there were just as many examples of male characters dominating females, but I can't even name five examples from the last five years where the male is dominant in the art. Liliana's Defeat, Chandra's Defeat, Nissa's Defeat, and In Bolas's Clutches are the closest examples I can think of, and then the male in question is a giant elder dragon. I guess you could throw in Captured by the Consulate, but there's also a female soldier taking Pia away.

We don't get anything like Sorin caressing his latest female neckbite victim or Tibalt savoring the pain he's causing to some female knight, it's always some dommy female like Liliana, Kaya, or Vraska who's got some male pinned or otherwise subdued. And any time a female character is being dominated, it's either by another female, some kind of nonhumanoid monster, or even an ambiguous predator altogether. Look, if someone in Wizards is into dominant women, I understand, but please, is it too much to ask for a little more actual equality here?

HAIL KING KENRITH! LONG LIVE THE KING!

"Hold your ground! Sons of Ardenvale, of Bant, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship…but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down. But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, men of the west!"

A WUBRG King Arthur! Yes!

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And yet she can never actually find it with her -2. #flavorfail

Dunno, an artifact looks to me to be neither a creature nor a land.

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This is a massive bomb in limited, sink your mana in during your opponent's end step, then mill them out during your turn before they can cast anything.

Mill != discard. Edit: Oh, you mean so that you mill a maximum of cards... OK. I would not call that a bomb. Giving your opponent cards off you using mana is not a good deal.

It is a good deal when they outright lose the game before they can use the cards. It's only card advantage when you can affect the board in some way. Remember that in Limited you usually only need to mill around 25 cards to end a game.

I love the fact that him being a 4/4 means he loses a fight with King Arthur. But due to the second effect, he must keep attacking anyway.

Tis but a flesh wound.

Sunforger loves this.

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Oh god this is what, the fifth "clever" pentacolor legend in the last two years?
It's also the third white one
Impressively boring and generic...

Yeah, they've been overdoing that design style and rarely do true 5-color commanders.

Probably, because it's easier to design.

Here's how I read this card:

Kenrith, the King-Maker 4W

R: Screw up someone's combat math at instant speed.

1G: Screw up someone's combat math at instant speed.

2W: Screw up someone's combat/burn spell math at instant speed.

3U: Who's ur insta-speed sugar daddy?

4B: Screw up someone's combat math at instant speed.

5/5

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

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Did they just create a card that will make your opponent say "Stop feeding the troll!" like they're on a MTG forum?

Yes, and people will feed the trolls anyways, like they're in a MTG forum.

Those doubting it will replace Ancient Stirrings, keep in mind you can play this and then Ancient Stirrings both on turn 1 when you use both in your deck.

So that's 17 cards you can look at turn 1 to assemble tron?