So, can you point out where me not being extraordinary is somehow an indication of me being scum? I'd say I did an extraordinary amount of research yesterday trying to figure out if the lynch was heading in the right direction yesterday. The only role who were extraordinary were the scum who got their mislynch, so me not being extraordinary confirms me as town, so thanks for that!
You'll have to forgive me for not being impressed by you tooting your own horn. (Now I know what it feels like when I do it to other people. >.>)
If your scumhunting is as absent from your other games you should probably stop doing it too, lel.
You didn't answer the question by the way.
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Why do you feel like the scum!iso from the Mario game and nothing like the tales of game? I'm guessing it has something to do with your alignment.
Or gee, maybe this game isn't comparable to either of those because different playerbase, different events, etc. In the Mario game, I didn't even get a chance to read the thread before I got lynched - my wagon pushed by Mollie, by the way, who I pegged as scum on my way out the door - and the Tales of game got canceled partway into Day 1.
So...show me the similarities? Since, y'know, you're so keen on research.
Lel. Those "events" have nothing to do with it. You entered that game claiming to have read the first ten pages and slapped together a scum list, and when I pointed out to you what bs your scum list especially as it regarded me due to my total lack of presence day one you accused me of omgus. You then took the deadline extension and made promises about reading and scumhunting you never fulfilled. Yes, you and mollie fought and she pushed for your lynch, she did the same thing to me on day two even after any reasonable person reading the thread would have known I was all but confirmed town. The mollie push has nothing to do with similarities here.
The similarities I'm seeing is a lack of scumhunting, a lack of actually thinking about the game. The fact that the tales of game got abandoned also has nothing to do with it. In the short time that game was going on, you demonstrated a thinking about the game and trying to figure it out. You're not here.
Also, I hate doing meta. It's just a necessary evil sometimes.
Given that Vi's dead, how 'bout you focus on the issues at hand instead of going "derf guise look at how right I was!!11!"
I don't like it when people say I did poorly when I didn't.
Only *I* am allowed to hold llamarble to an unreasonable standard.
It's not fair to say I turned in a 'flaccid' defense of Vi when I explained to Thor why his argument was silly until it became clear he had no interest in understanding his errors, repeatedly proclaimed there were no good reasons to vote Vi, suggested an alternative, and called the wagon scumdriven.
Short of dusting off the capslock or fakeclaiming masons, I couldn't have been much clearer on my opinion of a Vi lynch. And as I said yesterday I wasn't going to take those steps until fully caught up. If Iso turns out to be scum then I was CLEARLY the highest performance townie D1. Unfortunately that doesn't seem ultra high probability at the moment, but regardless I didn't suck.
Insults temporarily paralyze my scumhunting, though they also tend to make me obvtown.
Since I am already obvtown, let's leave the complaining for postgame.
I never I insulted you marble, and I didn't have unreasonable expectations for you. I'm looking at the manner of defense and language used, and I've seen you use more active and forceful language concerning a lynch you thought was bad, and it doesn't match here.
We might not have been able to save Vi regardless with the way day one played out, but I'm standing here with you and nacho as being the only ones with me who weren't on that wagon. So either I have to accept that the entire scum team hopped on that mislynch OR that one of you nominally defended a wagon you knew you couldn't get on but didn't really care if it went through.
How people read other people and respond to wagons is one of the ways I read people. I mostly think you're town here now, but that doesn't change my uneasiness with the types of language I'd expect.
Now can you stop getting insulted because I judged/questioned the manner of your defense while also criticizing my own, and help me figure out if the remaining two were on the wagon? That would own.
(Also, if cyouni is scum, I was voting scum yesterday >_>)
I didn't say you didn't defend him, I said it was flaccid, still holds. And you're missing the part where I also said I wish I would have defended him harder or been more confident in my town read.
So, can you point out where me not being extraordinary is somehow an indication of me being scum? I'd say I did an extraordinary amount of research yesterday trying to figure out if the lynch was heading in the right direction yesterday. The only role who were extraordinary were the scum who got their mislynch, so me not being extraordinary confirms me as town, so thanks for that!
Why do you feel like the scum!iso from the Mario game and nothing like the tales of game? I'm guessing it has something to do with your alignment.
Nacho - on iPad, not cutting your wall, but you not isoing Vi had nothing to do with getting your read on Vi, but explaining your town read to others. Your town read of Vi was solid, and though you did argue with Thor about some of his intentions, you didn't really with anyone else. I mean at least yours wasn't flaccid like marbles to get the wagon off of him. I just would have felt better with a stronger defense from you on Vi. I mean I feel like I should have fought harder and been more secure in my town read there too, but where I thought you felt like you were just going throughout the motions was calling him town because you knew you had to but mostly letting happen what was already going to happen. You did argue somewhat though the way you were arguing with Thor was never going to get Thor to change his mind. That's what's making me feel uneasy mostly.
I actually thought Kpaca was probably scum with the way he came in and just voted Vierni, but I suppose that won't be a believable statement on my part until the game is over.
And I never denigrated anyone's play from MS. If you're talking about last game, I said that basically everyone played like ****, myself included. I told them to lynch me on Day 2 to avoid exactly the situation that we ended up in. Not that anyone was ever likely to lynch DYH in that game anyway, so, it didn't really matter.
That's fair, and you did. That part was probably unfair of me and maybe I'm just conflating the complaints I remember from last game with your end game.
It just frustrated me that after the way you went after Vi pretty single-mindedly yesterday, you came in here at the start of day and basically said the rest of the scum team is from ms without really looking at what happened yesterday and without expressing why you think any of that.
@Iso: Yesterday, you proclaimed me scum because you said I was bussing Vierni. Vierni is clearly not scum, meaning that I could not have been bussing her. Yet you are voting me. Moving the goalposts means that your initial line of attack was defeated, so, you just changed it to something else.
I'm pretty sure "you look like scum attacking [other scum]" still means you looked like you were scum attacking someone; regardless of what she flipped. Also, I stated near the end of yesterDay, when asked, that I would be pursuing you toDay if Vi flipped town and doing that re-read if she did not.
Why would you only being doing a reread if she did not flip town? You were on the wagon, which should suggest that you thought Vi was scum. Why would a reread be necessary if you were on the right track, but not if you weren't? This makes absolutely no sense.
Also, I feel like I'm only still worried about marble because I really thought that if me, nacho and marble were town we'd be able to recognize each other as town and Marble still being uneasy about me is making me feel uneasy about him. So, I'm considering that it might not be a him alignment related thing, but just a me being frustrated thing.
Also, Cyan coming in here and reading the thread and not posting especially when things are posed to him have been driving me insane since early day one.
Cyan will probably get my vote today, but I need to reread through some things. I am not as comfortable with Nacho as I'd like to be at this point, not having his computer aside.
Earlier today, I looked back at the first few pages and DYH's interactions with Iso and Cyan were kinda meh, but I didn't have time to reread things in full, so if I have time tonight I'll finish that otherwise it will be done over the next couple days.
I disagree, I think that Nacho and Tammy are currently the 2 most likely people to be scum, followed(not particularly closely) by llamarble and Kami.
@Iso: Yesterday, you proclaimed me scum because you said I was bussing Vierni. Vierni is clearly not scum, meaning that I could not have been bussing her. Yet you are voting me. Moving the goalposts means that your initial line of attack was defeated, so, you just changed it to something else.
Are you literally placing the entirety of your scum reads on those from MS? Just ftr, you don't get to complain that noone from MS is playing well this game when you're actually making a mockery of scumhunting. Like I will be so super disappointed in your play here if you're actually town. If you're scum, whatever, you're playing to your win condition I guess. But, if you're town, I have no bloody idea what you're doing or why you felt superior enough to denigrate other people's play.
I hope you're scum, I really do. Because that is the only acceptable excuse for your "play" here so far.
Well Tammy, seeing as the obvious kills were you and Nacho there's some possibility of one of you being scum.
The other option is simply a large number of on-wagon scum, and they have to eliminate everyone off the wagon eventually while holding out hope of lynching me because they haven't realized that I towned extremely hard in the last part of D1.
PR motivation makes sense too.
And I believe the main scumread DC had that was not superpopular was on Cyouni, so the kill makes Cyouni look like a significant scumpossibility as well. I'll check though.
You seriously aren't using a "you aren't dead yet" thing on me are you? On day two, when in the most recent games you have with me are with scum leaving me alive past when it makes sense they should?
I do agree that you looked town at the end of the day yesterday, but I'm still a little worried about you.
Hmm...first thought was a descoures kill points to mtgsers on the scum team and then remembered Trojan man and derp. (I just woke up don't mind me.). My second thought is the kill still points to at least one more mtgs scum...if not both. I just don't see Trojan man having any sway over two msers for the night kill, and doc was looking very lynchable from yesterday. I suppose it's possible two msers went let's go for a wacky kill to make them go wtf, but low information kills are stupid to make and I'm not really sure anyone from the ms side kills purely for wifom. Maybe kami? Possibly Thor? I'm pretty sure nacho is more methodical than that (though his lack of computer is a thing). And I want to go with marble is too. I suppose it could be a pr hunt, but still that points to at most one mser.
Okay so i want to say that dyh's push on kami yesterday makes her town, but then I remember the bussing he did last game and go hrm. I'll have to look back but the push on Thor from last game feels different, more involved than this one. And would he go for the same approach again? I don't know but at first glance he seems to lack the conviction of knowing his push would flip scum there, if that makes sense.
Then I'm reminded about how kami reacted to DYH, and I think that she's less likely to do that as scum. I don't know how she would react to her partner bussing her, but I *think* I know that she doesn't like early bussing, if at all. So, tentative town here which I'd feel a lot better about if she'd voted him.
Oh also I woke up briefly earlier and checked the thread and kami had been in the thread too. That kind of thing always makes me feel good. As scum, she'd know who they killed and wouldn't need to be checking it early.
If your scumhunting is as absent from your other games you should probably stop doing it too, lel.
You didn't answer the question by the way.
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Lel. Those "events" have nothing to do with it. You entered that game claiming to have read the first ten pages and slapped together a scum list, and when I pointed out to you what bs your scum list especially as it regarded me due to my total lack of presence day one you accused me of omgus. You then took the deadline extension and made promises about reading and scumhunting you never fulfilled. Yes, you and mollie fought and she pushed for your lynch, she did the same thing to me on day two even after any reasonable person reading the thread would have known I was all but confirmed town. The mollie push has nothing to do with similarities here.
The similarities I'm seeing is a lack of scumhunting, a lack of actually thinking about the game. The fact that the tales of game got abandoned also has nothing to do with it. In the short time that game was going on, you demonstrated a thinking about the game and trying to figure it out. You're not here.
Also, I hate doing meta. It's just a necessary evil sometimes.
I never I insulted you marble, and I didn't have unreasonable expectations for you. I'm looking at the manner of defense and language used, and I've seen you use more active and forceful language concerning a lynch you thought was bad, and it doesn't match here.
We might not have been able to save Vi regardless with the way day one played out, but I'm standing here with you and nacho as being the only ones with me who weren't on that wagon. So either I have to accept that the entire scum team hopped on that mislynch OR that one of you nominally defended a wagon you knew you couldn't get on but didn't really care if it went through.
How people read other people and respond to wagons is one of the ways I read people. I mostly think you're town here now, but that doesn't change my uneasiness with the types of language I'd expect.
Now can you stop getting insulted because I judged/questioned the manner of your defense while also criticizing my own, and help me figure out if the remaining two were on the wagon? That would own.
(Also, if cyouni is scum, I was voting scum yesterday >_>)
LOL.
So, can you point out where me not being extraordinary is somehow an indication of me being scum? I'd say I did an extraordinary amount of research yesterday trying to figure out if the lynch was heading in the right direction yesterday. The only role who were extraordinary were the scum who got their mislynch, so me not being extraordinary confirms me as town, so thanks for that!
Why do you feel like the scum!iso from the Mario game and nothing like the tales of game? I'm guessing it has something to do with your alignment.
That's fair, and you did. That part was probably unfair of me and maybe I'm just conflating the complaints I remember from last game with your end game.
It just frustrated me that after the way you went after Vi pretty single-mindedly yesterday, you came in here at the start of day and basically said the rest of the scum team is from ms without really looking at what happened yesterday and without expressing why you think any of that.
Why would you only being doing a reread if she did not flip town? You were on the wagon, which should suggest that you thought Vi was scum. Why would a reread be necessary if you were on the right track, but not if you weren't? This makes absolutely no sense.
Also, Cyan coming in here and reading the thread and not posting especially when things are posed to him have been driving me insane since early day one.
Earlier today, I looked back at the first few pages and DYH's interactions with Iso and Cyan were kinda meh, but I didn't have time to reread things in full, so if I have time tonight I'll finish that otherwise it will be done over the next couple days.
Are you literally placing the entirety of your scum reads on those from MS? Just ftr, you don't get to complain that noone from MS is playing well this game when you're actually making a mockery of scumhunting. Like I will be so super disappointed in your play here if you're actually town. If you're scum, whatever, you're playing to your win condition I guess. But, if you're town, I have no bloody idea what you're doing or why you felt superior enough to denigrate other people's play.
I hope you're scum, I really do. Because that is the only acceptable excuse for your "play" here so far.
You seriously aren't using a "you aren't dead yet" thing on me are you? On day two, when in the most recent games you have with me are with scum leaving me alive past when it makes sense they should?
I do agree that you looked town at the end of the day yesterday, but I'm still a little worried about you.
Okay so i want to say that dyh's push on kami yesterday makes her town, but then I remember the bussing he did last game and go hrm. I'll have to look back but the push on Thor from last game feels different, more involved than this one. And would he go for the same approach again? I don't know but at first glance he seems to lack the conviction of knowing his push would flip scum there, if that makes sense.
Then I'm reminded about how kami reacted to DYH, and I think that she's less likely to do that as scum. I don't know how she would react to her partner bussing her, but I *think* I know that she doesn't like early bussing, if at all. So, tentative town here which I'd feel a lot better about if she'd voted him.
Oh also I woke up briefly earlier and checked the thread and kami had been in the thread too. That kind of thing always makes me feel good. As scum, she'd know who they killed and wouldn't need to be checking it early.
I've been town since my first post. Like it really couldn't be more obvious.