But what was I supposed to claim then? Your role makes no sense with my play, and the shots you took don't make sense either.
It honestly didn't occur to me that you'd have a problem claiming my role, since you knew my targets and everything else.
Perhaps I didn't think that one through too much in my excitement of what I saw as a perfect gambit, but I didn't see it as not making sense for you based on actions. From what I remember, I still don't?
...anyway, I again apologize for exploding on you. Anger's gone now.
I started leaning town on Johnny by the end of day two; that shot would not make sense night two from me. Night one maybe.
It's cool. I'm Tammy, ruiner of gambits. Don't think it would have worked, I'm not much of a gambiter, but I guess I could have gone back to sleep instead of post.
But what was I supposed to claim then? Your role makes no sense with my play, and the shots you took don't make sense either.
I mean if you're town and were trying to lure the role away, thank you.
It's not something that crosses my mind on a good day. I just don't really play around with claims like that. It's probably in part why players like Azrael are so hard for me to read until I come to understand the ways and whys for their playing coo chi-coo with roles and reads.
I'm back.
Ok, stepping away helped. I'm no longer annoyed at everything and I'm ready to try again.
I apologize if yesterday I was biting people's heads off.
I skimmed what I missed and I'm gonna answer to a few things that popped up to me.
In the meantime, I'm Etta, Town Consort.
My ability is Queen's Protection. At Night, I can choose a player and spend 1 vit to protect them. If they get hit, they survive, and I lose an additional 1 vit. As a result, I have what I think is a fair amount of vit, though obviously not as much as before.
Thus far, none of my targets have been hit...yay.
@tammy will confirm when she's available, she already knows the details of my ability, as well as my targets.
Something else I should bring up: One of the players taking vit at Night is town. I will not be explaining further at this time.
This is not what you claimed to me. I just double checked the skill, and you implied that you were a vit thief and said that you use one vitality to take one vitality. You said you didn't target HR night one, but that you were responsible for GJ night two. (And, you said yes that was me which I took to mean you took vitality from Boomfang. When I asked you why GJ instead of one of the top wagons, you talked about your suspicion on Johnny and that you didn't mean to kill him because you didn't expect him to die but you wanted to see how he reacted to losing vitality. In fact, in number 9, you literally asked me if I had an opinion on who you should shoot to which I replied that my understanding of the game was too *****ty to have an opinion on this. You said you have one more shot.
I don't know why you're claiming something completely different than what you claimed to me AND I don't know why you're claiming protection knowing that I know who the doctor is. Is there a reason you're not mentioning the targets you took?
Not only do I have a huge problem with you claiming something completely different than you claimed to me, but I'm hard counter claiming this role.
My name is Molly, and I'm the town Chandler. I'm trying to keep my family's shop alive. My ability is Mother's Pride and each night I can spend a certain amount of vitality to protect someone. They lose no vitality if they are attacked.
I claimed to Bur after wisp suggested I should claim because he's right I've been terrible this game. I do always pay attention to the night kill because I use the nightkill to gauge my understanding of the game, but I don't usually focus on it as much as I do this game. KJ - I asked you who you thought the nightkill would be because I wanted help with who I should target last night; KJ gave me a list. Also KJ when I asked you if Boom's role was compatible with a doctor, I meant with another player being a doctor not if he was basically the doctor. I also asked Bur yesterday, but they just said they hoped I wasn't the nightkill (which got me a little paranoid because I thought it meant that I was actually dying, which is why I started today saying that I thought Bur was town due to me being alive. Although if they thought Cantrip was vig, that would be more important than me, but I still think that Bur is likely town.) Oh and my reaction to the boomfang is me trying to work out how his role fit with mine, which I considered it might. I'd be the early game protection until my vitality ran out and by that time maybe he has enough vitality to pick up end game protection. This was also why I was trying to make sense of protective claims yesterday, because I am one. I did not leave any crumbs, but I've got doctor tells all over me.
When I got my role, I figured I'd see if I got a town read on Iso and if I thought Iso was town, I'd protect him until my vitality ran out. But then I got really concerned about the way he tunneled on crop circles day one and how it looked like he didn't read them after they're big wall of reads that I didn't think looked scummy. Not that it made him scum to be wrong or that he had to town read him, just that it didn't look like he was reading him. My town read just took a hit from it. Anyway I spent the night trying to figure out a town read that I trusted and found none, settled between Iso and Vaimes for protection thinking that if they were town they'd be more likely to die. Literally thought about protecting Rhand but decided he was more likely to be scum and wouldn't be the nightkill even if he were town. And I was wrong.
Doesn't matter though because I ****ed up the time zones. I asked Grapefruit for when deadline was and he converted it for me, but I don't live in EST anymore and forgot to convert to my actual time zone, so I missed deadline by a half an hour.
Night two I protected Sloth because I suck. Silver was my strongest town read at the time and should have been my no brainer protect especially with an investigative role. But I did not consider that silver would be a high priority kill, and I should have. I did consider Johnny because if I were scum that's who I'd kill. Johnny was putting in the most effort to solve and move the game forward out of anyone here, except wisp, and if I were scum that'd be my target. I only didn't protect him because he was just an even day double voter, so he was basically a vanilla townie day three, and I thought scum would go for a role that would affect them more. And I thought that the way Sloth was so convinced at the end of day meant that he had something on Azrael and that he was an investigative of some sort, so I protected there. (Oh, I double checked with grapefruit that my night two protection was one night only and did not affect Cuth's attack there. I knew it didn't, but I figured I'd double check so that I could verify I wasn't the cause of that.)
Last night I protected Vaimes. I actually considered Cantrip, but much like night one I thought well Cantrip really isn't posting much so why would they kill him? I looked over the list that KJ gave me and ultimately went for Vaimes. I thought if town he'd be a likely kill for the same reason that I thought Johnny would be a likely kill - not that he's doing as much solving as Johnny was but he's a strong presence when he's here.
So yes, I'm a sucky ass doctor and I'm doing terribly. I keep considering the actual nightkill and then discounting it which just says my understanding of the game state is actual ass.
v/la for a couple days I don't feel good, which might be anxiety, but I really can't concentrate right now. Read the day opening, and literally don't remember much of it except we're massclaiming, which i"m fine with.
I'm good to claim whenever.
(boom since you claim you're good at picking up crumbs or tells, we'll see if you picked up mine.)
Hmm so the cantrip probably targeted as night one and that’s where he got the vitality, and unless there’s another vitality giver, silver targeted cantrip night two who wouldn’t have been able to target night two due to lack of vitality. I wasn’t expecting cantrip to die; I thought he was too low activity.
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
Sorry to hear.
They killed Cantrip 'cause he was widely townread and is a no-info kill, win-win.
Oh yeah kiiiiiinda think me being alive points to town bur, unless wifom.
And if scum are in the inactives why kill within them when they’re blending there? Or are they just satisfied with the gamestate and wanted to leave it as is.
Hmm so the cantrip probably targeted as night one and that’s where he got the vitality, and unless there’s another vitality giver, silver targeted cantrip night two who wouldn’t have been able to target night two due to lack of vitality. I wasn’t expecting cantrip to die; I thought he was too low activity.
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
Sorry to hear.
They killed Cantrip 'cause he was widely townread and is a no-info kill, win-win.
Oh yeah kiiiiiinda think me being alive points to town bur, unless wifom.
Hmm so the cantrip probably targeted as night one and that’s where he got the vitality, and unless there’s another vitality giver, silver targeted cantrip night two who wouldn’t have been able to target night two due to lack of vitality. I wasn’t expecting cantrip to die; I thought he was too low activity.
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
Couldn't take it anymore. Don't think I've had someone write more words to put me in my place while emphatically getting everything wrong about how I think or my approach to mafia ever.
I started leaning town on Johnny by the end of day two; that shot would not make sense night two from me. Night one maybe.
It's cool. I'm Tammy, ruiner of gambits. Don't think it would have worked, I'm not much of a gambiter, but I guess I could have gone back to sleep instead of post.
I mean if you're town and were trying to lure the role away, thank you.
It's not something that crosses my mind on a good day. I just don't really play around with claims like that. It's probably in part why players like Azrael are so hard for me to read until I come to understand the ways and whys for their playing coo chi-coo with roles and reads.
It crossed my mind that you might be scum who thought I was your traitor and was going to lie for you.
It didn't cross my mind that you were trying to lure the claim away from me.
My anxiety level is at defcon 5 at the moment. My brain is not firing on all cylinders right now.
This is not what you claimed to me. I just double checked the skill, and you implied that you were a vit thief and said that you use one vitality to take one vitality. You said you didn't target HR night one, but that you were responsible for GJ night two. (And, you said yes that was me which I took to mean you took vitality from Boomfang. When I asked you why GJ instead of one of the top wagons, you talked about your suspicion on Johnny and that you didn't mean to kill him because you didn't expect him to die but you wanted to see how he reacted to losing vitality. In fact, in number 9, you literally asked me if I had an opinion on who you should shoot to which I replied that my understanding of the game was too *****ty to have an opinion on this. You said you have one more shot.
I don't know why you're claiming something completely different than what you claimed to me AND I don't know why you're claiming protection knowing that I know who the doctor is. Is there a reason you're not mentioning the targets you took?
Not only do I have a huge problem with you claiming something completely different than you claimed to me, but I'm hard counter claiming this role.
My name is Molly, and I'm the town Chandler. I'm trying to keep my family's shop alive. My ability is Mother's Pride and each night I can spend a certain amount of vitality to protect someone. They lose no vitality if they are attacked.
I claimed to Bur after wisp suggested I should claim because he's right I've been terrible this game. I do always pay attention to the night kill because I use the nightkill to gauge my understanding of the game, but I don't usually focus on it as much as I do this game. KJ - I asked you who you thought the nightkill would be because I wanted help with who I should target last night; KJ gave me a list. Also KJ when I asked you if Boom's role was compatible with a doctor, I meant with another player being a doctor not if he was basically the doctor. I also asked Bur yesterday, but they just said they hoped I wasn't the nightkill (which got me a little paranoid because I thought it meant that I was actually dying, which is why I started today saying that I thought Bur was town due to me being alive. Although if they thought Cantrip was vig, that would be more important than me, but I still think that Bur is likely town.) Oh and my reaction to the boomfang is me trying to work out how his role fit with mine, which I considered it might. I'd be the early game protection until my vitality ran out and by that time maybe he has enough vitality to pick up end game protection. This was also why I was trying to make sense of protective claims yesterday, because I am one. I did not leave any crumbs, but I've got doctor tells all over me.
When I got my role, I figured I'd see if I got a town read on Iso and if I thought Iso was town, I'd protect him until my vitality ran out. But then I got really concerned about the way he tunneled on crop circles day one and how it looked like he didn't read them after they're big wall of reads that I didn't think looked scummy. Not that it made him scum to be wrong or that he had to town read him, just that it didn't look like he was reading him. My town read just took a hit from it. Anyway I spent the night trying to figure out a town read that I trusted and found none, settled between Iso and Vaimes for protection thinking that if they were town they'd be more likely to die. Literally thought about protecting Rhand but decided he was more likely to be scum and wouldn't be the nightkill even if he were town. And I was wrong.
Doesn't matter though because I ****ed up the time zones. I asked Grapefruit for when deadline was and he converted it for me, but I don't live in EST anymore and forgot to convert to my actual time zone, so I missed deadline by a half an hour.
Night two I protected Sloth because I suck. Silver was my strongest town read at the time and should have been my no brainer protect especially with an investigative role. But I did not consider that silver would be a high priority kill, and I should have. I did consider Johnny because if I were scum that's who I'd kill. Johnny was putting in the most effort to solve and move the game forward out of anyone here, except wisp, and if I were scum that'd be my target. I only didn't protect him because he was just an even day double voter, so he was basically a vanilla townie day three, and I thought scum would go for a role that would affect them more. And I thought that the way Sloth was so convinced at the end of day meant that he had something on Azrael and that he was an investigative of some sort, so I protected there. (Oh, I double checked with grapefruit that my night two protection was one night only and did not affect Cuth's attack there. I knew it didn't, but I figured I'd double check so that I could verify I wasn't the cause of that.)
Last night I protected Vaimes. I actually considered Cantrip, but much like night one I thought well Cantrip really isn't posting much so why would they kill him? I looked over the list that KJ gave me and ultimately went for Vaimes. I thought if town he'd be a likely kill for the same reason that I thought Johnny would be a likely kill - not that he's doing as much solving as Johnny was but he's a strong presence when he's here.
So yes, I'm a sucky ass doctor and I'm doing terribly. I keep considering the actual nightkill and then discounting it which just says my understanding of the game state is actual ass.
My vote is in spirit on Sloth.
I'm good to claim whenever.
(boom since you claim you're good at picking up crumbs or tells, we'll see if you picked up mine.)
Oh Bur's recount of our chat is correct.
So this game is pretty much opposite game and I should stop trusting anythought that crosses my mind and should insteadthink the opposite.
Mytown reads are probably scum :/
And if scum are in the inactives why kill within them when they’re blending there? Or are they just satisfied with the gamestate and wanted to leave it as is.
Oh yeah kiiiiiinda think me being alive points to town bur, unless wifom.
I don’t know what this means, but my other half tested positive today, and I am the ball of biggest anxiety right now and can’t really Mafia.
I think the order of likeliness is in that order there.
If I'm around tomorrow, I'll try to actually do the meta boom frog linked me.
Oh. i see it now.
I don't understand how I keep missing posts. This forum is the devil.
Couldn't take it anymore. Don't think I've had someone write more words to put me in my place while emphatically getting everything wrong about how I think or my approach to mafia ever.
Sorry if you're town.