The thing that still wigs me out is that we've seen no evidence of a roleblocker yet, and I might just be paranoid because I won a scum game once by investing a role blocker on day four when I ****ed up a claim. (My predecessor fake claimed watcher and I got my results wrong upon replace in). I know big difference here, but all I remember from that game is town being yelled at for letting the fake roleblocker claim slip.
I'm mostly just putting this here as a way of trying to let this go because every time I think about Cuth and the claim, I think about this.
Nobody will deny that Cuth isn't obviously being toxic with his playstyle tho
life has been taxing
i want to fully catch up and start playing again
but i'm not there yet
and in the meantime i've at least been trying to play the game mechanically if nothing else
i've claimed more in detail to vaimes (at the start of the day via free skill)
i also explained how my role target works
again, i selected boom at the start of yesterday and pushed a bit there because while there was zero reason not to yeet him getting pro-town mechanical things from it was +ev; obviously i didn't want to yeet him as of eod2
i feel bad for not being here more and doing more and all, and i would never intentionally do this
but at the same time it's where i'm at right now, and please forgive me for that
No, I asked. I wondered if my morning feedback meant that if we got role blocked we might not lose our vitality, so I asked. If our action fails due to a roleblock then we get our vitality back, but we don't if it fails for certain other reasons.
Vaimes - Can you answer if you publicly stated that Cuth skilled you?
I don't think I did, Cuth was the one who claimed it.
Oh it was public knowledge. I just found where Cuth publicly claimed to have skilled you yesterday.
If there was any reasonable way to assume that was cuth vaimes was talking to then the roleblocked might be real and they might have been protecting bur?
I don’t want to assume too much about the existence of the roleblocker, but I did check if we’d get our bit refunded if roleblocked and as long as I understand the response properly we do.
So you're thinking the RB, if they exist, can only be Vaimes (maybe Bur)?
I don't think Vaimes mentions Cuth at all in any of his hints, nor does he actually acknowledge the existence of a vig (beyond his 'imma shoot this guy' comments).
Also, you're doing fine. I'm glad you didn't replace out. The content you're giving despite your situation is as solid as the rest of us honestly.
You're coming on the second week right? That usually means you're almost out of the woods! Good luck!
No, I was trying to identify how many people knew or could have deduced that cuth skilled vaimes because Vaimes’ end of day “don’t touch bur” meant that vaimes knew someone who could take vit/was the vig.
I’ve been trying to work out how likely his claim is because his play really wasn’t really vig like and we haven’t had evidence of a role blocker so far, and why would they have roleblocked cuth.
But his refunding of the vit for being roleblocked checks out. And someone recognized vaimes statement at the end of the day to mean that he knew the vig/ vit thief then they would have had to narrow down who skilled vaimes. If it was public that cuth skilled vaimes yesterday then never mind on my rabbit hole but if it wasn’t public then the people who knew look suspicious.
Where bur came into it was that I couldn’t remember if bur knew about cuth and vaimes statement at end of day signified that bur was in danger maybe.
So you are saying what I said then? Asaik, the information cuth skilled vaimes was not public, so it's only bur and vaimes.
Bur knew there was a vig, but did not know it was cuth - according to Vaimes, he guessed it might have been Cantrip, which Vaimes brought up as odd given Cantrip died N3.
Can you explain what you meant by the bolded? Did you get blocked and/or refunded vit at one point?
No, I asked. I wondered if my morning feedback meant that if we got role blocked we might not lose our vitality, so I asked. If our action fails due to a roleblock then we get our vitality back, but we don't if it fails for certain other reasons.
Vaimes - Can you answer if you publicly stated that Cuth skilled you?
BoomFrog progression on Anak:
> has Iso in his bottom "unsorted" pile
> next mention: I like that [Iso/Anak] stuck his neck out defending Azreal
> talking about Wisp targets: Then hit HR. Cause the other two [Anak/Az] are probably town.
> asks Anak a bunch of questions about his claim/role. I kind of like it? Seems like they aren't knowingly aligned, with the "are you still losing vit to Azrael??" questions, wanting to wait for Anak to clarify things before moving discussion along
> and I like how he transitions to "Anak should be hunting scum among the witters to get rid of Wisp instead of rolling over," it's a good point
> starts scumreading Anak, but doubts it a bit after Tammy claims doctor
> goes back to being confident Anak is scum, but votes Bur to use Wisp killing Anak as a secondary yeet
Overall I actually think I like Boom. His readswitch on Anak post-claim feels organic, and if he's w/w with Anak then he's ruining the towncred Anak had via Azrael but also not even pushing to yeet Anak, which seems like a really weird line of play for mafia.
Unvote
I guess that eliminates the Best-Case Scenario, which sucks because the idea of immediately snuffing out half of the mafia team after a horrible game had me on cloud nine.
The last bit is problematic though right? Not lynching someone with wit so that wisp could take out anak, means we pretty much lose this game if the lynch and wit target is town, right? We have 12 now. If say Bur, Anak are town we're down to 10, wisp leaves we're down to 9. The night kill puts us at 8, so if we're at 4 mafia we lose with a successful night kill and certainly so if Cuth is telling the truth and shoots town as well.
If my math is right, and it could be completely wrong, I **** up endgame math all the time, we have to yeet Anak today in order to even have a chance at winning the game no matter what his alignment is. We're at 12? We lose Anak, wisp and the nightkill which will put us at 9 tomorrow if we're they're all town. And if Anak is town, Cuth should holster.
Though even if it comes to that, I'm not going to vote Anak, even if it means no yeet.
However, there's one thing that's bothering me. As I was combing the thread and rereading things, I noticed that HR lost vit N1 (like Vaimes just brought up). However, after we claimed today, HR hasn't even mentioned it once today.
Which is especially weird after Sloth claimed that they take away vitality and claimed that they didn't use their ability N1.
KJ also bring up now that he lost vit N2 is weird and not worrisome.
You would no yeet over Anak?
This...does not match your behavior in the neighborhood and end of day yesterday at all. You were getting pretty annoyed that people were unvoting Azrael and were getting after the idea of people worrying about being wrong. Your entire frustration yesterday makes no sense with you saying you'll allow a no meet today.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but for the vit drains we have
Night 1: Highroller only
Night 2: GJ only
Night 3: Highroller and BoomFrog
If Night 3 was the first instance of two people claiming it, a possible and simple explanation is that Sloth/BoomFrog are just scum together. Otherwise scum would have to be using their vit drain on their NK targets but randomly decided to target a living person on Night 3. And I don't think BoomFrog's role is such a threat that they needed to steal from him.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but for the vit drains we have
Night 1: Highroller only
Night 2: GJ only
Night 3: Highroller and BoomFrog
If Night 3 was the first instance of two people claiming it, a possible and simple explanation is that Sloth/BoomFrog are just scum together. Otherwise scum would have to be using their vit drain on their NK targets but randomly decided to target a living person on Night 3. And I don't think BoomFrog's role is such a threat that they needed to steal from him.
Yeah the highroller night one and three are the ones unaccounted for.
I’ve been trying to figure out what to make of that.
If there was any reasonable way to assume that was cuth vaimes was talking to then the roleblocked might be real and they might have been protecting bur?
I don’t want to assume too much about the existence of the roleblocker, but I did check if we’d get our bit refunded if roleblocked and as long as I understand the response properly we do.
So you're thinking the RB, if they exist, can only be Vaimes (maybe Bur)?
I don't think Vaimes mentions Cuth at all in any of his hints, nor does he actually acknowledge the existence of a vig (beyond his 'imma shoot this guy' comments).
Also, you're doing fine. I'm glad you didn't replace out. The content you're giving despite your situation is as solid as the rest of us honestly.
You're coming on the second week right? That usually means you're almost out of the woods! Good luck!
No, I was trying to identify how many people knew or could have deduced that cuth skilled vaimes because Vaimes’ end of day “don’t touch bur” meant that vaimes knew someone who could take vit/was the vig.
I’ve been trying to work out how likely his claim is because his play really wasn’t really vig like and we haven’t had evidence of a role blocker so far, and why would they have roleblocked cuth.
But his refunding of the vit for being roleblocked checks out. And someone recognized vaimes statement at the end of the day to mean that he knew the vig/ vit thief then they would have had to narrow down who skilled vaimes. If it was public that cuth skilled vaimes yesterday then never mind on my rabbit hole but if it wasn’t public then the people who knew look suspicious.
Where bur came into it was that I couldn’t remember if bur knew about cuth and vaimes statement at end of day signified that bur was in danger maybe.
I am wondering about a Bessie/bur partnership in that yesterday I mentioned to bur that I hadn’t really reassessed Bessie and I thought she was getting written off as town a little too easily for suspecting me when she first came in. I had kinda gut read her as town and not thought about it but not really gone past that. Bur thought she should be reassessed but not yesterday, and then today in bessies read list she did the same with bur in which she said she suspected bur until neighborhood and is less suspicious but won’t vote there today. Bessie had gotten after me at the beginning of the game for wanting a neighborhood because she claimed I should be able to talk in the game, so I guess I find it odd that she’s less suspicious of bur for talking more in the neighborhood, and I’m concerned they’re doing that “I suspect my partner but don’t want to vote them today” dance.
I’m not sure what to do about that thought because bur did know I was the doc and did not roleblock me or kill me, so I’m not sure if that above thought even makes sense.
Thanks! I am starting to feel better but I’m in this weird stage of feeling a little better one day for a while and crappy the next.
This might have already been brought up so sorry if this is repetition, but while I was trying, and failing, to fall asleep tonight, I remembered that near eod yesterday, vaimes said something along the lines of “dont touch bur”. I remember thinking that the other bit thief had claimed to vaimes and that’s who vaimes was talking to.
If there was any reasonable way to assume that was cuth vaimes was talking to then the roleblocked might be real and they might have been protecting bur?
I don’t want to assume too much about the existence of the roleblocker, but I did check if we’d get our bit refunded if roleblocked and as long as I understand the response properly we do.
I'm mostly just putting this here as a way of trying to let this go because every time I think about Cuth and the claim, I think about this.
This one.
Oh it was public knowledge. I just found where Cuth publicly claimed to have skilled you yesterday.
No, I asked. I wondered if my morning feedback meant that if we got role blocked we might not lose our vitality, so I asked. If our action fails due to a roleblock then we get our vitality back, but we don't if it fails for certain other reasons.
Vaimes - Can you answer if you publicly stated that Cuth skilled you?
The last bit is problematic though right? Not lynching someone with wit so that wisp could take out anak, means we pretty much lose this game if the lynch and wit target is town, right? We have 12 now. If say Bur, Anak are town we're down to 10, wisp leaves we're down to 9. The night kill puts us at 8, so if we're at 4 mafia we lose with a successful night kill and certainly so if Cuth is telling the truth and shoots town as well.
If my math is right, and it could be completely wrong, I **** up endgame math all the time, we have to yeet Anak today in order to even have a chance at winning the game no matter what his alignment is. We're at 12? We lose Anak, wisp and the nightkill which will put us at 9 tomorrow if we're they're all town. And if Anak is town, Cuth should holster.
Original witted are CC, Azrael, Anak, Tubba, KJ
You would no yeet over Anak?
This...does not match your behavior in the neighborhood and end of day yesterday at all. You were getting pretty annoyed that people were unvoting Azrael and were getting after the idea of people worrying about being wrong. Your entire frustration yesterday makes no sense with you saying you'll allow a no meet today.
I will be around for deadline.
sloth claims responsibility for boom and Gj
Yeah the highroller night one and three are the ones unaccounted for.
I’ve been trying to figure out what to make of that.
No, I was trying to identify how many people knew or could have deduced that cuth skilled vaimes because Vaimes’ end of day “don’t touch bur” meant that vaimes knew someone who could take vit/was the vig.
I’ve been trying to work out how likely his claim is because his play really wasn’t really vig like and we haven’t had evidence of a role blocker so far, and why would they have roleblocked cuth.
But his refunding of the vit for being roleblocked checks out. And someone recognized vaimes statement at the end of the day to mean that he knew the vig/ vit thief then they would have had to narrow down who skilled vaimes. If it was public that cuth skilled vaimes yesterday then never mind on my rabbit hole but if it wasn’t public then the people who knew look suspicious.
Where bur came into it was that I couldn’t remember if bur knew about cuth and vaimes statement at end of day signified that bur was in danger maybe.
I am wondering about a Bessie/bur partnership in that yesterday I mentioned to bur that I hadn’t really reassessed Bessie and I thought she was getting written off as town a little too easily for suspecting me when she first came in. I had kinda gut read her as town and not thought about it but not really gone past that. Bur thought she should be reassessed but not yesterday, and then today in bessies read list she did the same with bur in which she said she suspected bur until neighborhood and is less suspicious but won’t vote there today. Bessie had gotten after me at the beginning of the game for wanting a neighborhood because she claimed I should be able to talk in the game, so I guess I find it odd that she’s less suspicious of bur for talking more in the neighborhood, and I’m concerned they’re doing that “I suspect my partner but don’t want to vote them today” dance.
I’m not sure what to do about that thought because bur did know I was the doc and did not roleblock me or kill me, so I’m not sure if that above thought even makes sense.
Thanks! I am starting to feel better but I’m in this weird stage of feeling a little better one day for a while and crappy the next.
If there was any reasonable way to assume that was cuth vaimes was talking to then the roleblocked might be real and they might have been protecting bur?
I don’t want to assume too much about the existence of the roleblocker, but I did check if we’d get our bit refunded if roleblocked and as long as I understand the response properly we do.
more yesterday did you tell bur or anyone that cuth skilled you?
also all I’m sorry about today. I should have replaced out last week when we got the news but I thought I’d be able to hold it together.