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  • posted a message on [WAR] Planeswalker rarity speculation
    You may find this interesting:

    Quote from Mark Rosewater
    There’s a famous quote by car inventor Henry Ford (which he might not have ever actually said): “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” People can only see the future through the lens of the past.

    The same is true with planeswalkers. The most we’ve ever put in a set is 6. 36 is six times that. The most common number of planeswalkers is 3. 36 is twelve times that. Sets sometimes have 2. 36 is eighteen times that.


    War of the Spark, by definition, can’t just be planeswalkers the way we’ve always done them. The challenge of the design was rethinking a lot of things including what tools were available to us.

    War of the Spark is not going to be planeswalker status quo, but then innovation seldom is.



    Some speculations I have seen about what they can do with rare/uncommon planeswalkers that breaks with previous design is having planeswalkers with no + ability (has already been done with Sarkhan the Mad), planeswalkers with static ability, and very narrow planeswalkers, or a combination of all of these.

    EDIT: Rosewater has also talked about how WAR was made possible due to new collation technology, which pretty much rules out the "planeswalker slot" solution, as that is something they could have done since forever.
    Posted in: Baseless Speculation
  • posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)
    My imagination may be a bit limited, but wouldn't it be hard to have a planeswalker in every pack if they aren't at uncommon?

    If there are 36 rare and mythic walkers, and one in every pack that would mean that there is something going on with the rare slot, otherwise you would never get any non-planeswalker rares/mythics. I guess there could be "an intervening if clause", so if your regular rare/mythic isn't a planeswalker, then a basic or common slot is swapped out with a random walker.

    Another workaround could be a specific rarity class.. so you'd have "PW-mythic", "PW-uncommon", etc, with a PW slot in each pack. But I wonder if I didn't read somewhere that it wasn't like that. Or perhaps they only said "we haven't said how we will do it yet".

    But Mark Rosewater did say that we should expect different kinds of planeswalkers:
    War of the Spark, by definition, can’t just be planeswalkers the way we’ve always done them. The challenge of the design was rethinking a lot of things including what tools were available to us.

    War of the Spark is not going to be planeswalker status quo, but then innovation seldom is.


    There will also be PW-synergies. From a Peasant perspective, the value of this set will hinge a lot on whether you would want to include any planeswalkers, as if they are too good/bad for Peasant, or if you as a cube-designer decide that they don't fit in your cube, then there will be a lot of PW-synergies which will be completely useless.

    Furthermore, if they do put planeswalkers at uncommon, it is likely that they want them to be powerful, being the focus of the set and all, limiting how much power is left to spread around to the other uncommons.
    Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
  • posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)
    Quote from FunkyDragon »
    In Commander, I've built around 90 decks and only included [Sol Ring] in 2 of them.

    Not a commander expert but.. that can't possibly be correct?
    Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from pinkmex »

    (idgaf about the reserved list, so i dont know if any of these are in it, but i'd guess that the large majority isn't)


    FYI, these are reserved:
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from 13055 »
    Quote from Ym1r »
    Quote from The Fluff »

    On another thing. Is it certain that nothing from 8th edition and above will be reprinted?
    That's what they said yes, only new stuff and stuff pre-8th


    Is that the exact quote? I thought they said something to the effect of, only new stuff and stuff that has never been legal in Modern. I thought they were cagily not excluding the possibility of a SfM reprint.

    Quote from Blogatog
    kazzack asked: Could modern horizons contain reprints from supplemental sets like Conspiracy or Battebond? Or will they just be from sets older than modern?


    Reprints can come from any set not legal in Modern including supplemental sets. (Okay, not Un-sets.)


    So if we take that literally, any set not legal means nothing from Worldwake, means no Stoneforge.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from tronix »
    Quote from JovianHomarid »
    Disclaimer to start: I do not think that Wizards have anything cut in stone, and that they very likely do a wait and see approach with regards to Modern Horizons and how they follow it up.

    So how wild is this theory?

    honestly its pretty wild.

    Thanks for taking the time, its interesting to get a discussion going.

    I guess it is one way it could go among a ton of others, as you say. But when it comes to "respecting what Modern has to offer", isn't printing Modern Horizons already "disrespecting" Modern? Or, at least, it could be framed that way? Printing strong cards into Modern would presumably shift the format around, raise the power level, break some rules and step on some toes..?

    As for wishful thinking.. maybe a bit, maybe not. I wish Legacy would be allowed to be its own thing and thrive, to be honest. But I also like the idea of having an "eternal" format that isn't touched by the reserved list.

    Come to think of it. What are the defining characteristics of Modern vs. Legacy? I could suggest Modern has very little fast mana, (almost) no free counterspells, no brainstorm and a fetch-shock mana base. If they print 3-4 Modern Horizon sets, but stay clear of those (or probably, a better, more thought out set of) rules, will we conserve Modern's uniqueness?

    It is also possible that they only want to do this once. Use MH to shore up some of the formats weaknesses (A modern-level FoW, a modern-level Wasteland, etc.) and then sit back and let the format evolve forever with new Standard cards and the tools to adapt to whatever will be the next Cathartic Reunion/Reality Smasher. That sounds sweet.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from whocansay »
    Quote from JovianHomarid »
    (...)and that Legacy is even deader than it is today?


    SCG Open Syracuse last week had 656 players. How is that a dead format?

    Yeah, bad wording. Legacy isn't dead, and if it is dying it is dying quite slowly. But it cannot grow, and it is as far as I know very regionally limited. I'll edit my post to say "marginal".
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Disclaimer to start: I do not think that Wizards have anything cut in stone, and that they very likely do a wait and see approach with regards to Modern Horizons and how they follow it up.

    So how wild is this theory?

    Wizards said early, and repeated it more recently, that Modern is supposed to be a place where standard cards and decks can go after rotating out of Standard. As the power level of modern increases, this becomes less and less relevant. The printing of Modern Horizons will likely exacerbate this trend even further.

    We know there will be some sort of non-rotating format coming to Arena.

    Mark Rosewater has said time and time again that it is only a matter of time before a new non-rotating format gets introduced between Standard and Modern. It is possible that this "Arena Standard plus" translates to paper and becomes "new modern"/"post modern" whatever.

    There are still people who wants to play with the oldest of cards, and I think this has an appeal to Wizards too. First, because many of the people working there love the history of the game, and secondly because it is a marketing tool to be able to talk about the "rich history" and whatever.

    If we extrapolate from today around 5 years into the future. .. where is Modern, where is Legacy, and where is "Arena Standard Plus"? By that time, could it not be that "Arena Standard plus" is a pretty cool format (would be of similar number of years' worth of cards to Modern at its inception) and that Legacy is even more marginal than it is today?

    Where would people go to play Brainstorm, Force of Will and Stifle?

    From that point of view, could it not make sense to gradually increase the Modern cardpool with regular Horizons sets until you eventually have more or less reserve-list free legacy?

    It would take some time and as I said, they would gauge customer response.. but if Modern Horizons go over well they will want to do it again. And if they didn't break anything they will want/need to increase the power level to make the product appealing. So perhaps Force is off the limits for MH1, but perhaps by MH3 it will be fine, along with Wasteland?

    Smile
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)
    I can't imagine what good Sol Ring adds to the cube?

    I mean, I could (barely) follow an argument that it is fair because it is bad late game so there is some risk/reward to playing it (similar to Library of Alexandria), and cubes can have answers to it.

    But still? Do games ever end, and both players are happy that Sol Ring was part of the game?

    EDIT: Oh, and I do not run signets, but I have considered running the blue ones. I also want to limit ramp and fixing outside of green, but it's not set in stone. Still, that's where I'm at at the moment.
    Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
  • posted a message on Evaluate Everything
    Quote from BetaHDream »
    The low power is intended because in my group we like the sensation that a simple 6/6 is big and scary and we don't like flashy things like for example Gush or other not really fair cards.
    Setting it in modern cut out all the strange cards of the past where the direction of the game was not really clear in my opinion.


    I am looking the average cube and it seems a good list. I think the colors must absolutly be changed because like that are really confusionary. I would have choosen colors from red to dark green (7 total) that create a more intuitive red-green scale.

    Thanks for the help anyway Smile


    I may have been to blame for the colour-choice. I am red-green colour-blind, so the first version just looked like porridge to me.

    Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
  • posted a message on [[Peasant]] The Peasant Cube Discussion Thread (C/U/)
    Direct to Modern set. We could get some goodies, sounds like a Masters-set-level power level.
    Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Huh, I guess I may have inadvertently spread conspiracy theories. I agree that it definitely should be read as a net positive for Modern that they are testing the new mulligan-rule in a Modern tournament. Had they not cared ("we'll do what's best for Standard and just ban as necessary to handle any problem that might occur in older formats"), they would have just tested it in Standard or Limited and be done with it.

    I just came straight from this thread, so what I focused on was less on the "wizards disklikes modern" part, and more on the "modern is not coming to Arena" part.

    Thanks to pizzap for sharing the above. I could think of a few reasons why they would say that even if they are working on longer term plans to port Modern to Arena, but with such a clear statement it seems unlikely that it is something we will se in the near term. And at least, it seems completely unlikely that this Thursdays Modern product is connected to Arena somehow.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Interesting interpretation of the new Mulligan rule from Patrick Sullivan, which only really makes sense if he believes Modern will never make it to Arena:

    Quote from starcitygames


    The more troubling element of this is that it seems so dubious for older formats that one could only be confident in this path if you didn't really care about that impact. With Arena occupying an ever-growing share of the way Magic gets played, it makes some sense to reorganize around that philosophy. The Mythic Championship will be illuminating. But there is an ever-growing signal from Wizards of the Coast that formats that aren't available on Arena will be a lower and lower priority as time goes on, and this proposed mulligan change is some of the loudest signal sent so far.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 21/01/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    I think the real barrier to ever having Modern in Arena is: how do you GET the cards? Without the ability to trade or buy cards, the only options are to OPEN hundreds of packs in search of that Snapcaster playset, or use dedicated wildcards such that 99% of the cards coded will never be crafted or used. One is an expensive waste of time for players, the other is an expensive waste of time for devs. Seems like a lose-lose all around.

    I think we might also consider that Wizards might not want to clutter the store page with 16+ years of old products. They clearly want Arena to push standard, so there might be a fear that focus could be taken away.

    This is why I think that a "sub-Modern" is an avenue they might pursue, where Modern on Arena are only built up of cards found in a few Masters sets. Due to the way Arena works, there is no issue with "EV" of the packs, as no-ones expensive cards (real or virtual) will lose value.

    I haven't looked into how many cards this would be though. Anyone done an estimate on how many cards are "really" in Modern? As an example, how many unique cards showed up in top64s at all GPS and SCG events in 2018?
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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