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Magic Market Index for April 20th, 2018
 
Pauper Review: Dominaria
 
The Limited Archetypes of Dominaria
  • posted a message on future of Modern Masters
    Quote from Trumplebot »
    Quote from Lakanna »

    WotC's business model is selling unopened product. Giving people what they want DOES that. You're mistaking "WotC's business model" with "the secondary market." Continuing to produce high-quality, high-value sets like the original Modern Masters and the 2017 version would enhance their business model, not disrupt it.


    And here i thought their buisiness model was selling unopened prduct again and again. And again. If that premise is wrong, then it might not disrupt their model. If it is right, then giving people all the reprints once, leaving lots of them with no need to buy further might actually disrupt the "again and again" part.

    That's nonsense. It implies that nobody will ever buy anything once they have their Modern deck. There are a lot of people who want to play Modern (and Commander, and Legacy, and Vintage) that just don't have the cards. But if you start being generous with the reprints, they'll get into those formats and while they might have the reprinted cards, there will inevitably be OTHER cards they need. Which get reprinted later, creating a rolling demand for more product as the price barrier comes down.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on future of Modern Masters
    Quote from Trumplebot »
    Quote from BlueTronFTW »

    Yes, the cool reprint sets that helped manage modern prices are being replaced with theme sets that will generally suck.


    And rightly so. The main target group was never satisfied with the sets anyway, and in my opinion, never would be, so its just logical to stop catering for them and go for the other possible targets.

    And no, just giving the people what they want it it means risking your buisiness model is not the right choice.

    WotC's business model is selling unopened product. Giving people what they want DOES that. You're mistaking "WotC's business model" with "the secondary market." Continuing to produce high-quality, high-value sets like the original Modern Masters and the 2017 version would enhance their business model, not disrupt it. These sets that aren't made for Constructed players (too much draft chaff) and aren't really for drafters (too expensive to do often) don't serve much of a purpose at all.
    That's not to say that WotC can't do these well. Obviously, they can, but they need to decide what the product is and who it is for. I personally think that they'd be better served to skip the "draft-friendly" bit in favor of making it a solid set full of staple reprints. not even expensive stuff, just low-supply cards and things like lightning bolt that are always welcome reprints.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Damping Sphere puremtgo
    Quote from Courier7 »
    I am curious about the interaction between Damping Sphere and New Horizons. Does the aura create a replacement effect, forcing my opponent's land to produce only C? If so, it could be used to lock them out of a color.

    Other than that, this seems like it would kill many Vintage decks, not to mention Affinity in Modern.

    The land has 2 abilities: one to tap for the normal mana it produces, and one to tap for 2 mana of any color. The land's controller chooses which to use, so they'll normally tap it for a single colored mana, although they can choose to use the second ability and then it gets replaced to produce only one colorless instead.

    Uncommon? This is amazing. Definitely happy to see something like this, and the flavor text made me laugh for a solid minute.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Is using unusual/experimental decks a bad thing?
    A lot of times, people playing in Competitive leagues are playtesting their decks to see how they stack up in the current meta. They don't care to play against a brew that they aren't going to see at a tournament, and have decided that anyone NOT playing an already-established list is wasting their time. You joined the league, you're playing by the rules, so you shouldn't care if they get a little salty.

    I'm not trying to defend them, getting a bad attitude over an opponent's deck choice is pretty dumb, just letting you know why some people immediately hate any non-Tier deck in a Competitive league. If they're really being nasty, you can try reporting them, or you can just laugh it off as someone taking the game far too seriously. Ultimately, a salty opponent affects you exactly as much as you allow them to.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Masters 25 boxes not properly randomized?
    This worries me. Especially since I posted last year on very similar boxes of MM2017:

    https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-general/772706-duplicate-boxes-of-mm2017

    This is it for me: no more ever buying Masters boxes. If they let boxes or even whole cases be mappable, I'm sticking to singles. No packs, no boxes, no way.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Gavin Varhey confirms change of course for Masters sets.
    Quote from Manite »
    I'd be happy with simple themed draft sets. If they have some chase cards, great, but I care more about fun sets and draft themes. Let the collectors and legacy players have something like the FtVs to get their chase reprints. Draft sets should be about draft themes, first and foremost. Mixing value cards into that will just encourage picking cards for value rather than draft strategy. Who wouldn't grab a Tarmogoyf if they saw one in their pack?

    They make every Standard set as draftable. Conspiracy is draftable. If they're going to continue with Masters sets, they should just forget about drafting, and put in real cards that people need for collections and decks. Let literally every other set they produce care about drafting and be full of draft-level cards, but if we're spending $10 on a pack, make sure we're getting cards that we aren't going to leave on the table.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Is Magic Attendance and Sales dropping?
    Quote from Greyimp »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=356ilzFF8BE&feature=youtu.be

    Thanks Ashiok I hadn't seen this rant. I completely agree with him that creatures are doing too much. In the middle I think the message gets a bit jumbled but yes finishers should be something you invest in and build around. Every creature shouldn't be a Swiss army knife and a game winner in itself. Cast this card a second time you win. wtf.

    Chupa is more of this. It feels like removal yet is a creature giving you body plus murder with no drawbacks. They're still making sweepers and regular removal conditional and expensive and yet here again something on a stick better than straight up removal. There's no murder in the format but a creature gets the privilege.

    They
    aren't
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    it

    If I understand Chapin correctly, he's saying that players favor creatures that provide immediate value over creatures that need to stick around to provide that. Which... isn't that going to be true regardless of the removal packages available? if removal is great, can answer anything, then you need to play value creatures. if removal is terrible and anything you play sticks, then... playing immediate value creatures puts you ahead. I'm not getting what he's actually complaining about, especially when he starts talking about not being able to play your non-value creatures like Baneslayer Angel in a format because ETB creatures just outclass it and removal deals with it. Does he want neither? Because we've seen what happens to a format where we don't have effective removal for threats. It's not pretty.

    In casual, yes, you want to play your Baneslayers and your big dumb creatures. If you're playing Standard, or playing competitively, then you want to play the stuff that gives you value, that helps you to win the game. LSV was pushing this a while back, Cards that Affect the Board State. A creature that does nothing the turn it comes in does nothing the turn it comes in- any creature that has an ETB effect is better here, and it doesn't matter what removal is in the format, it's just better to play something with haste, or that has a trigger, or that provides an immediate effect.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Pro Tour Ixalan/Albuquerque - Standard/Draft - 11/3-5
    Quote from Rondiggity »
    48% energy Frown

    I'm actualy wondering how many decks are running one or more copies of The Scarab God. I'd bet that number is right up there, with Temur, Sultai, 4c, Esper, and UB all running at least a sideboard copy.
    Posted in: Standard (Type 2)
  • posted a message on Most evil thing you have done in a game
    4- player game. Important to know that this was before the 6E rules change that made losing due to 0 life a state-based effect. It used to be that you had until the end of the phase to get back above 0.
    t1: Forest, Birds of Paradise, go.
    T2: Swamp, Dark Ritual, Dark Ritual, Initiates of the Ebon Hand, Channel. Use 20 life to make 20 colorless mana, run it through Initiates. Drain Life for 20. Use 20 life to make 20 colorless mana, run it through Initiates again for 20 more black mana, Drain Life for 20. Pass turn with an evil smile. I lost that game, of course, no cards in hand and nothing on board, but so much fun.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on How Revised dual lands could be reprinted by Wizards
    Quote from dLANCER »
    Silver border cards are not legal in EDH. If you allow them, you may as well allow proxies of the original dual lands.

    Pretty much. If they aren't tournament-legal, they aren't playable anywhere but the kitchen table, and at that point, you might as well just write on some old lands with a Sharpie.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Three More Reprints - Tolarian Community College Spoiler
    I doubt Opt will be banned immediately. It seems to be a pretty fair card, costed about right for its effect. I'd bet, however, that WotC is going to be keeping an eye on it in Modern, ready to pounce if someone DOES manage to break it. They do seem to be waiting a bit now, rahter than pre-emptively banning things. Whether they should wait a bit more and test is maybe up for discussion elsewhere, Dig Through Time was banned because it was likely to replace Treasure Cruise, not because it was proven to be a replacement.
    Regardless, it's unlikely that we won't be able to play with this for at least a few months. Wizards likely knows all about the problems of Control in Modern and is seeing what they can get away with before Control swings to OP. The main problem with control is that you either have "enough," and then you can't lose, or "not enough" and you can't win. The balance between them is both very delicate and very prone to being shattered by the newest card interactions.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on How would you break the reserved list?
    It's still "no reprints." That's not a compromise, that's "no reprints." Whether they have value or not, they are not tournament-legal Magic cards. They aren't even really Magic cards, any more than the token or rules card is a genuine magic card. Thus, this isn't a compromise, it's an empty gesture towards compromise without actually giving anything to those that want to play with those cards legally.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on How did you aquire cards and how big is your collection?
    I just never get rid of anything. I played from the Dark up through... Odyssey prerelease? Buying packs and occasionally splitting boxes with friends. I have somewhere upwards of 100k cards, most of them commons and uncommons, but quite a few old things I kept, from dual lands to homelands garbage.

    Nowadays, I mostly draft, buy singles, and buy packs to play packmasters against friends at work. I always buy the Commander precons, and usually pick up at least one copy of each Duel Deck just for the oddball reprints. Honestly, drafting and picking up singles gets you a decent collection much faster than you might believe.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on Leaks are bad. Do you agree?
    If there was a leak showing that a highly-wanted card was in an upcoming set, that wouldn't take anything away from the set. "Hey, the enemy fetches are returning in Dominaria! Gonna buy some of those, then!"

    Leaks hurt when 90% of any given set is Limited fodder, things that you aren't excited to put into a Limited deck, let alone Constructed. Nobody gets excited about a set that isn't exciting. There's still a lot of hype about Ixalan, because the set hits a lot of things players want to see, especially kitchen table players. Dinosaurs, pirates, treasure? Yes please, people are going to buy this set.

    Hype can help sell sets, but making quality sets to begin with not only sells sets, it produces sets like Innistrad that become beloved over time. Every block gets such a crazy amount of hype, but that doesn't last. if they want more than just a burst of sales in the first few weeks, they have to make sets that are good enough to stand on their own without the hype, and that's where they've been hit-or-miss for some time. Leaks can't hurt a set whose sales are based on being a good set, instead of being based on just being new and hyped.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on How would you break the reserved list?
    A compromise in which one side gets nothing and one side gets everything isn't a compromise. The Hall of Fame idea reprints nothing and does nothing to help card availability. It would be a token gesture (not sorry.) and worthless to those who -and this is important- Want cards reprinted so they can play with them.

    Personally, I'd be happy if Wotc reprinted cards with no artwork: just a plain white box with the rules text on it, but tournament legal. As long as they are playable, it allows players to get them and play with them, but something that aesthetically unpleasant would never have collector value. They'd never really replace the original prints, except in the setting where what printing you have doesn't matter.
    Posted in: Magic General
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