Obviously this is a bug midrange featuring duskmantle seer. Goal is to keep card advantge. I have ways of gaining the life back here and with seers and connections its very easy to dig out whip. The one of aetherling is for control and additional help against plneswalkers. Overall has potential but not sure where else to go.
I also see people want to take connections out and im just confused. The card is just down right a slap in the face against control. It digs your threats out so even against aggro the loss of life can be justified
Hmmmm kinda funny that this deck seems absurdly powerful again.
Yay second post! Ok let's go....
I guess wotc messing with the mana of this archetype coming into theros block might not do anything at all to people running this deck.
I think xenagos is good but to get the optimal effect out of him you need atleast 12 cheap creatures in the deck. I think in the right build of Jund he could be amazing, however I'm leaning towards the people who are saying Chandra is more aggressive and more powerful. Jund seems like the kind of deck that's wants to strike with 4 cmc cards.
Same reason I don't see rakdos return in because I feel that Jund lays down a framework, puts a couple key threats down, then finishes up. Rakdos return can be that card that finishes the opponent up. However I think that's against some decks it's a dead card and that we would be better off disrupting their hand early with thoughtseize.
Actually I think underworld Cerberus is a card that like xenagos needs more support in a deck than he is worth. However he is one of the cards in this deck I don't have much experience with, so maybe.....
What about ratchet bomb instead of anger of the gods? Besides anti synergy with the cheap creatures I think anger of the gods can have awkward mana situations for us on third turn when one really needs it. A lot of the time just to cast it one has to have a caryatid out so it's just kinda round about......
I think the deck needs atleast 2 mizzium mortars. The overload ability can win games..... Enough said
Atleast 2 Chandra is a must.
Anyone try varolz instead of scavenging ooze?
Bow of Nylea and polukranos is just mean.... Need atleast 3 of the world eater.
I don't like hero's downfall in this deck at all. Between doom blade, abrupt decay, mortars, and dreadbore we should be covered and those are all cheaper than downfall.
Love rakdos key rune. Good job to the first person that thought of that.
Golgari charm is too reactive for this deck......
Ok awesome decks guys. Can't believe we are gonna see more of this deck in the era of devotion!
Varolz over ooze? That must be a joke.....
Bow of nylea is way to slow to set up especially with polukranos making it virtually unplayable.
No rakdos return? You must be out of your right mind....or a conttol spy. Rakdos return is great against 80% og the meta. The other 20 is aggro and even then if there a slower aggro aka g/r g/w r/w you can just do it on 4 after you anger there board znd just slap thearts down.
Golgari charm is like the second best charm in the meta atm. Destroys enchantments and regens creatures id at least sideboard two for control
// Sideboard
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Anger of the Gods
SB: 2 Duress
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Mizzium Mortars
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Putrefy
SB: 1 Rakdos's Return
SB: 1 Ruric Thar, the UnbowEd
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
this is my list. I have abit more removal mainly cause players in my area tend to play aggro. I play mist cutter main cause in best case i face u/w/x decks and beat them down in worst case i make him a 5/5 after casting anger the previous turn and demolish aggro decks
ok so i made a list awhile back and put it up here and there was also another post for it but i couldnt find it so i figure ill just make a new one with my new and well improved list.
i'm not a cocky person. nor do i say im the best deck builder in the world or anything. but this by far is the best deck i have ever brewed up. i haven't lost yet. i've face g/w hexproof aura, esper control, u/w control, u/b control, u/b/r control, anothe rjund list diffrent from mine, g/r aggro. i can go on and on and i just steam roll most of these math ups. most contorl deck are just a joke i just keep one dude and poke them in the face until the want to "deal" with it and then when they had to deal with it and use to much mana i just rakdos's return they're hand away and slap demon down next turn and just pound them.
at any rate tell me what you think. i think the list is solid i dunno if i will change it much at all besides the erebos sideboard i might go a diffrent route there.
should probably add i have play tested this on cockatrice. alot of times it can drop game one to contorl just from overall draw power. game 2 and 3 usually go way better as i come into 3rd rakdos return put my downfalls in for planeswalkers, add in my thoughtseizes for there counters and ill add fade in if they're playing thassa or any of the gods really
ok so i have been brewing this for about a week now. i have changed it a few times and im starting to get blocked with it. im not sure if i've got everything just right though. so was looking for some general ideas.
ok so i have been brewing over this most of the week changed some things and stuff and it runs good. just looking to see what you guys may think of it see what might be good or missing.
now i have tried loxodon smiter, voice, and fleece mane. all of them over the healers but i always would get mudstomped. cause when i drew into them they didnt help me at all if i was against the ropes. i would draw healer and that 3 life believe it or not would put me up just enough to stop a aggro deck and let me come back and just beat them down. i have some things there in the sideboard for the control match ups but my main board is get pushed around abit against control decks more specfically against sphinx decks. i wanted to add erebo to the main board but dunno where. i like nyela abit more main cause she helps give my creatures that extra push with trample to get there against most decks. so other than that what do you guys think?
4 Breeding Pool
2 Forest
2 Island
4 Overgrown Tomb
3 Temple of Deceit
3 Temple of Mystery
4 Watery Grave
3 swamp
// Creatures
4 Duskmantle Seer
4 Horizon Chimera
2 Reaper of the Wilds
4 Sylvan Caryatid
1 Ætherling
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Hero's Downfall
2 Plasm Capture
2 Putrefy
4 Thoughtseize
2 Ultimate Price
3 Underworld Connections
2 Whip of Erebos
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Doom Blade
2 Duress
2 Far // Away (Far)
2 Golgari Charm
3 Notion Thief
1 Ultimate Price
1 Underworld Connections
1 Ætherling
Obviously this is a bug midrange featuring duskmantle seer. Goal is to keep card advantge. I have ways of gaining the life back here and with seers and connections its very easy to dig out whip. The one of aetherling is for control and additional help against plneswalkers. Overall has potential but not sure where else to go.
Varolz over ooze? That must be a joke.....
Bow of nylea is way to slow to set up especially with polukranos making it virtually unplayable.
No rakdos return? You must be out of your right mind....or a conttol spy. Rakdos return is great against 80% og the meta. The other 20 is aggro and even then if there a slower aggro aka g/r g/w r/w you can just do it on 4 after you anger there board znd just slap thearts down.
Golgari charm is like the second best charm in the meta atm. Destroys enchantments and regens creatures id at least sideboard two for control
// Lands
4 Blood Crypt
1 Golgari Guildgate
4 Overgrown Tomb
2 Rakdos Guildgate
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple of Abandon
3 forest
2 mountain
1 swamp
// Creatures
2 Lifebane Zombie
3 Mistcutter Hydra
2 Polukranos, World Eater
3 Reaper of the Wilds
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Sylvan Caryatid
// Spells
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Doom Blade
2 Hero's Downfall
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Putrefy
2 Rakdos's Return
2 Thoughtseize
2 Underworld Connections
// Sideboard
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Anger of the Gods
SB: 2 Duress
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Mizzium Mortars
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Putrefy
SB: 1 Rakdos's Return
SB: 1 Ruric Thar, the UnbowEd
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
this is my list. I have abit more removal mainly cause players in my area tend to play aggro. I play mist cutter main cause in best case i face u/w/x decks and beat them down in worst case i make him a 5/5 after casting anger the previous turn and demolish aggro decks
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Desecration Demon
2 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Reaper of the Wilds
2 Ultimate Price
3 Putrefy
1 Rakdos Keyrune
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
3 Mizzium Mortars
2 Xenagos, the Reveler
2 Rakdos's Return
4 Stomping Ground
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Blood Crypt
2 Golgari Guildgate
2 Rakdos Guildgate
2 Temple of Abandon
2 Forest
3 Mountain
2 Swamp
2 Hero's Downfall
2 Thoughtseize
2 Thoughtseize
2 Lifebane Zombie
2 Erebos, God of the Dead
2 Anger of the Gods
2 Fade into Antiquity
1 Rakdos's Return
2 Slaughter Games
2 Golgari Charm
i'm not a cocky person. nor do i say im the best deck builder in the world or anything. but this by far is the best deck i have ever brewed up. i haven't lost yet. i've face g/w hexproof aura, esper control, u/w control, u/b control, u/b/r control, anothe rjund list diffrent from mine, g/r aggro. i can go on and on and i just steam roll most of these math ups. most contorl deck are just a joke i just keep one dude and poke them in the face until the want to "deal" with it and then when they had to deal with it and use to much mana i just rakdos's return they're hand away and slap demon down next turn and just pound them.
at any rate tell me what you think. i think the list is solid i dunno if i will change it much at all besides the erebos sideboard i might go a diffrent route there.
3 Polukranos, World Eater
3 Scavenging Ooze
2 Stormbreath Dragon
1 Hero's Downfall
2 Putrefy
1 Doom Blade
2 Ultimate Price
1 Golgari Charm
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Rakdos's Return
4 Stomping Ground
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Blood Crypt
1 Rakdos Keyrune
2 Temple of Abandon
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Rakdos Guildgate
4 Forest
3 Mountain
2 Swamp
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Xenagos, the Reveler
3 Mistcutter Hydra
4 Sylvan Caryatid
2 Anger of the Gods
1 Rakdos's Return
2 Hero's Downfall
1 Ultimate Price
1 Doom Blade
3 Thoughtseize
3 Fade into Antiquity
2 Destructive Revelry
3 Putrefy
3 Hero's Downfall
2 Doom Blade
4 Desecration Demon
4 Sylvan Caryatid
2 Nylea, God of the Hunt
4 Thoughtseize
3 Scavenging Ooze
2 Archangel of Thune
4 Overgrown Tomb
4 Godless Shrine
4 Temple Garden
2 Temple of Silence
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Selesnya Guildgate
3 Plains
3 Forest
3 Swamp
2 Vraska the Unseen
3 Centaur Healer
now i have tried loxodon smiter, voice, and fleece mane. all of them over the healers but i always would get mudstomped. cause when i drew into them they didnt help me at all if i was against the ropes. i would draw healer and that 3 life believe it or not would put me up just enough to stop a aggro deck and let me come back and just beat them down. i have some things there in the sideboard for the control match ups but my main board is get pushed around abit against control decks more specfically against sphinx decks. i wanted to add erebo to the main board but dunno where. i like nyela abit more main cause she helps give my creatures that extra push with trample to get there against most decks. so other than that what do you guys think?