Claim//Fame it's interesting for sure. I'm going to start testing 1 or 2 copies of it. It can recur any 2 drop we currently have and can even give haste for any of them or even and even give haste for any new threat...
What has your removal suite in the main deck been? right now I'm on 4 Fatal Push, 3 Terminate, 1 Abrupt Decay, 2 Kolaghan's Command and 1 Maelstrom Pulse. Seems to have worked fine, but I do have the 4th Terminate, a 2nd Maelstrom Pulse, and a 3rd K-ommand in the side. The 4th Terminate comes in fairly frequently.
I'm currently on 3 Push, 2 Bolt, 2 AD, 1 Pulse, 1 Kommand, 4 Terminate, 3 LotV, 1 Lavamancer. I'm likely removing the Lavamancer for the 4th Push this week as the number of Counter Company decks is lowering steadily. My side has the 2nd pulse and kommand for sure though. The main thing I realized was any game in which Death Shadow sticks a Delve creature and I don't have the immediate removal, I lost. Since adding in #4, I've never had any issues getting them off the board quickly and it's resulted in a lot better success against those decks. Again, the other way they beat you is by having better topdecks with fewer lands and I've been really big on Tireless Tracker drawing me not only out of those holes but then they must find a Push+revolt or terminate to get rid of it or they lose.
I've been wanting to play with him..but he's not a 3 drop..but fells more like a virtual 4 drop..
He shines mid and late in the game though..and also a mana sink for those excessive land drops..
Yes he is essentially a 4 drop that let's you leave open 1 cmc removal. Fits the Chandra CA slot. That is what Tasigur is supposed to fill. Sure Tasigur can come down on turn 2 on an ideal draw but is also 4 cmc to "draw a card of your opponents choice" from your yard. I don't think that is good enough IMO, especially at the risk of Bob hitting you for 6. Essentially it's the same flex spot though and totally a preference choice. You want that slot to be a threat that generates CA as a 1x in your deck. Chandra, Tasigur and Tracker are all good options.
Understood mate. Do you mind sharing your complete set up?
Tks!
I'm with Reid and others, I haven't liked her too much. Like she is a powerful planeswalker but never feels great in the MD. Love her out of the side for attrition matchups though. For folks going Tasigur, try Tireless Tracker instead. Doesn't murder you off a Bob flip, fits your gameplan and actively draws you a million cards for no real investment unlike Tasigur. The card has been straight gas for me.
I've also been on 4 Terminates for a bit now. It may seem excessive but between the DS matchup and Eldrazi Tron, I never want to not have multiples of Terminate or LotV in hand to deal with their big fatties that don't die to Push.
I've been wanting to play with him..but he's not a 3 drop..but fells more like a virtual 4 drop..
He shines mid and late in the game though..and also a mana sink for those excessive land drops..
Yeah Bob is the only isse with Tasigur. If there was not this problem, I would also play 1-2 copies for sure. But I fear the times you reveal Tasigur to bob do matter statistically. And to note, I do consider revealing Tasigur to Bob a lost game pretty much (in a relevent timeframe of course, if you reveal it to bob when you are miles ahead doesn't count)
What I did thought of though was playing Tasigur SB. That way it wouldn't matter for Burn, as Tasigur and Bob won't be in the deck ever at the same time against Burn. You loose the card g1 though, which is still a bummer.
This is a big reason for me too, even tough i'll test, start with a single one and see how it goes from there.
I'm very tempted to add a Grafdigger's Cage to my sideboard as I want a good bit more tech against Dredge. However I'm having a bit of trouble finalizing what to cut.
Haven't personally been that much impressed with Chandra and neither has Reed. That is the only iffy card I can think of. Have you had any success in playtesting with her?
Me neither, she's not useful when behind and doesn't kill the big threats outhere. Both of her +1 is not really that good. I've sacked her out and I'll start testing tasigur again.
Only once. I don't want discard spells in graveyard, but with his delve and Oooze (with the recursion of LiLtlH and KCommand I can play this one in order to remove all worst cards with the ability of Tasigur) I manage to have a good card avantage.
But, about his fantastic ability, the power to put it in the 2th/3th turn is too powerful...or 3th turn Goyf + Tasigur. wow!
I prefer this card instead of Kalitas or any cc4 drops...fatal push useless against and then I don't tap 4 mana in order to catch a removal with any cc4 drops..
makes sense to me. Probably i'm gonna test him out again...but as 1 of, instead of 2 copies..not sure yet.
My choice to play 2of is cause by I want to see in every match...I don't care about the lifepoint loss with bob...no problem. Jund is a star in the history of suicide deck hahahahaha. Trust me, You should begin with 2of.
Got it..going to hest them out this week, but i must confess that I'm not too secure about the life loss...it can a huge of a deal..but Scooze might compensate that a little bit also shocking when necessary.
I believe he's way better of any 4 drop we currently have available..and none of them is truly "game changing" imo.
Only once. I don't want discard spells in graveyard, but with his delve and Oooze (with the recursion of LiLtlH and KCommand I can play this one in order to remove all worst cards with the ability of Tasigur) I manage to have a good card avantage.
But, about his fantastic ability, the power to put it in the 2th/3th turn is too powerful...or 3th turn Goyf + Tasigur. wow!
I prefer this card instead of Kalitas or any cc4 drops...fatal push useless against and then I don't tap 4 mana in order to catch a removal with any cc4 drops..
makes sense to me. Probably i'm gonna test him out again...but as 1 of, instead of 2 copies..not sure yet.
T1: Goblin 2-0
Tasigur the star because it enters @cc1 and maybe 2/3th turn. MVP.
T2: Death's Shadow Grixis 2-1
The choice of 5 LilianaS and 2 Tasigur made me all fuel I need. 2 times Tasigur's ability.
I've lost one game because I've seen 6 lands in 8 turns.
T3: Vizir Combo 2-0
Easy win g1, with Liliana of the Veil and 2 Goyf onto the battlefield. 7 discard spells are MUST now.
g2 fetch discard, fetch discard + push, 3th goyf + tasigur. GG.
How often do you reveal Tasigur for Bob? This is my only concern about playing him, even though he's a house nowadays.
I'm considering going down to 23 lands, in order to do so...I'm willing to cut a Ravine.
I have the felling that i'm flooding way too often..
What do you all think about it?
If you keep the curve low. I once tried a 23 land list, but didn't like it actually. I think bob is a major contributing factor in the lategame to draw "past" those exccess lands. In that regard I think 24 lands just work best overall. Its true that you still flood sometimes though.
I'm considering going down to 23 lands, in order to do so...I'm willing to cut a Ravine.
I have the felling that i'm flooding way too often..
What do you all think about it?
What do you guys think about Claim//Fame and Torment of Hailfire?
Claim//Fame can reanimate every single creature besides any 4 drop..and once in teh gy, it can help us with the last points of damage because of haste.
Torment of Hailfire seems strong to make the cut to the mainboard, anytjing the opp chooses will hurt them..and provides us with advantage.
Does anyone get discouraged by Jund's lack of results, even at the FNM level lately?
I love Jund, and I know it'll eventually come back, but it's frustrating seeing it fall
Anyway, Flying
2 LtLh, 2 angers and 1 Damnation? Phew. That's a lot of creature hate.
I have really enjoyed playing a 2nd copy of Pulse in the side, and 3x CB's feel really nice against aggro and combo. Finks was my pet card, but I feel like CB hits more on a broader level. Where I do miss Finks is in the mirror/control matchups.
Glad that I'm not the only one on that boat...I fell the same way mate, this lack o result has been disturbing to say the least, for me.
Anyways, I'm back on the Blood Moon coming from the board, this is what I'm planning to play this week:
What do you guys think about playing without any 4cmc drop and going with two 3cmc drop instead?
The ones that has potential are Kitchen Finks and Tireless Tracker...which seems more of a overall choice..I'm willing to test a couple of him this week.
I'll considerer change the Chandra for a Kalitas as well. After thinking harder, I've sideboarded her out almost every single G2 or G3 and rarely bringer back for G3 if needed, but Kalitas seems an all star on this meta..but he's a nombo with Scooze tho...and I'm not too excited for bringing in Huntmaster back..
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That's a tricky question mate...The "go to" 4c drop were Huntmaster for a long time...But i firmly believe that this is more of a meta call, i mean, if you expect heavy creatures and CoCo decks, Olivia it's just absurd..also Chandra TOD itsn't bad either, because she can grind them outr once the coast is clear...
I've been playing with 72/75 from Reid Duke's list, changed the board a bit for my LGS meta. My main deck it's the same as him and I must say, Olivia, Grim and even Chandra..they have been just great..and they steal games for us.
Also the removal package, never been so happy playing Classic Jund again.. I did not transiotioned to the DS version, so it's been quite hard..but Reid's showed how to play with Mid Jund again.
Understood mate. Do you mind sharing your complete set up?
Tks!
I've been wanting to play with him..but he's not a 3 drop..but fells more like a virtual 4 drop..
He shines mid and late in the game though..and also a mana sink for those excessive land drops..
This is a big reason for me too, even tough i'll test, start with a single one and see how it goes from there.
Me neither, she's not useful when behind and doesn't kill the big threats outhere. Both of her +1 is not really that good. I've sacked her out and I'll start testing tasigur again.
Got it..going to hest them out this week, but i must confess that I'm not too secure about the life loss...it can a huge of a deal..but Scooze might compensate that a little bit also shocking when necessary.
I believe he's way better of any 4 drop we currently have available..and none of them is truly "game changing" imo.
makes sense to me. Probably i'm gonna test him out again...but as 1 of, instead of 2 copies..not sure yet.
How often do you reveal Tasigur for Bob? This is my only concern about playing him, even though he's a house nowadays.
For reference this is what I'm planning to run:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Scavenging Ooze
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
4 Liliana of the Veil
3 Terminate
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Kolaghan's Command
4 Fatal Push
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtseize
1 Wooded Foothills
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Blood Crypt
1 Stomping Ground
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Raging Ravine
1 Blooming Marsh
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Blood Moon
2 Kitchen Finks
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Collective Brutality
I have the felling that i'm flooding way too often..
What do you all think about it?
Claim//Fame can reanimate every single creature besides any 4 drop..and once in teh gy, it can help us with the last points of damage because of haste.
Torment of Hailfire seems strong to make the cut to the mainboard, anytjing the opp chooses will hurt them..and provides us with advantage.
Glad that I'm not the only one on that boat...I fell the same way mate, this lack o result has been disturbing to say the least, for me.
Anyways, I'm back on the Blood Moon coming from the board, this is what I'm planning to play this week:
4 Dark Confidant
3 Scavenging Ooze
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
4 Liliana of the Veil
2 Thoughtseize
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Fatal Push
3 Terminate
1 Kolaghan's Command
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Abrupt Decay
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Forest
2 Swamp
3 Raging Ravine
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Blood Crypt
3 Collective Brutality
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Ancient Grudge
2 Blood Moon
1 Damnation
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Olivia Voldaren
1 Thragtusk
2 Nihil Spellbomb
The ones that has potential are Kitchen Finks and Tireless Tracker...which seems more of a overall choice..I'm willing to test a couple of him this week.
That's a tricky question mate...The "go to" 4c drop were Huntmaster for a long time...But i firmly believe that this is more of a meta call, i mean, if you expect heavy creatures and CoCo decks, Olivia it's just absurd..also Chandra TOD itsn't bad either, because she can grind them outr once the coast is clear...
I've been playing with 72/75 from Reid Duke's list, changed the board a bit for my LGS meta. My main deck it's the same as him and I must say, Olivia, Grim and even Chandra..they have been just great..and they steal games for us.
Also the removal package, never been so happy playing Classic Jund again.. I did not transiotioned to the DS version, so it's been quite hard..but Reid's showed how to play with Mid Jund again.