Unwinding Clock + Vedalken Orrery makes every turn your turn. Plus they are both pretty good by themselves. Untapping artifacts to reuse them is always good. Flashing things in is good for obvious reasons.
Mind Stone is a good rock that can draw you a card if you need it. It also can be brought back after you have used it to draw a card.
Blinkmoth Urn can generate you insane amounts of mana. It can help your opponents some, but it still will put you miles ahead.
Trading Post can be used to get back creatures from your graveyard or draw you cards. You can also sacrifice an artifact creature to do either.
Sanctum Gargoyle can get back any of your artifacts that go in to your graveyard. It also is pretty nifty with the previously mentioned Trading Post.
ahh... I "slightly" misunderstood then. Still i will probably try doing both with my current group anyway so thanks for the idea.
Yeah, of course! I'm always willing to brainstorm ideas to change up the game and make it a little more interesting. One of my favorite parts about playing a format like EDH.
I like the idea very much. It is something new that while it may not be competitive vs decks that have actually been constructed, something that may be fun and fair is to use more cards (say 400ish) and make all 2-4-(however many people you want to play) randomly select from the same stack of cards / generals; or maybe make multiple decks like this that way not everyone is playing the same color. (although 4 blue draw based decks would be pretty hilarious) I will probably go home and try my hand at making a 400 card EDH deck. I would love to see a full rules list if you have one otherwise I will just make stuff up and it will probably end horribly.
This is mostly just a deck building challenge for any player who may want to challenge their deck building skills. I'm not saying that it couldn't be developed in to a fun multi-player game, but in it's current state it isn't anything more than something to hone you're own skills.
That being said, it would be fun to make a large-ish deck and shuffle it up and divvy it up between four people. In that instance you wouldn't have to abide by any of the EDH rules that are currently in place because it would be a different format completely. You'd have a lot of different things to take in to account if you wanted to go as far as to make it a different format. You could simply just slightly alter the current rules if you could find a group of people willing to play. In my opinion, the best way to go about this would be construct something yourself that three other people could also use. That way other players don't have to commit their time to building a deck and they can just use what you've brought.
Simple Example that just expands on my idea a little:
1. You get 244 non-land cards. (61 cards per player)
2. You get 152 lands. (38 per player) (or make 4 mana bases and just give one to each player)
3. You get 4 legendary creatures (1 per player)
4. Then you evenly distribute the non-land cards, the lands, and the legendary creatures.
5. Players shuffle up and everyone has an EDH deck.
Of course you want the colors of the cards to match the legendary creatures like a normal EDH deck. You may want to exclude cards that are overly powerful so that one player can't get a huge advantage from a card that no other player had the ability to get. (Ex. Sol ring. It might be too good if only one person has the ability to get it.) If you build something similar to this then it shouldn't be to difficult to convince a couple of people to try it out with you. Like I said before, if you can make something that doesn't require other people to put effort forth then they will be more willing to give it a shot.
As for the rules list, there isn't really one for what I'm currently doing. Like I said, it's just a different way to go about making an EDH deck that can challenge the pilot in more ways than a normal EDH deck. In it's current form, it's all about challenging yourself as a player.
Update: So, I didn't get to 300 cards because I didn't want to fully commit to the idea without testing it on a smaller scale first, but I did this idea using about 160 nonland cards. I think the deck was still too good for my current play group, unfortunately. I only played two games with it and I won both, and it wasn't very close. I may try adding more cards to water it down further. My current amount of ramp, removal, and everything seems fine at the moment so I'll probably find a good ratio after adding more cards.
If it sounds like something you'd enjoy and have fun with, I don't see why you need our permission. It's not something I'd do every time and I don't personally have the time to make a stack of 300 cards. But if that WASN'T an issue, I'd try this out once or twice. But I have enough different EDH decks that I can go from finely tuned, to crap.dec to keep things fresh all the time.
It was less about permission and more about sharing the idea to get feedback or maybe even other people interesting in the idea. I figured I could get some advice or maybe even other strategies on deck building if I posted my idea.
I've done something I call "EDH Bravery" before.
I pick a general at random from the stuff I've got on me. Take 38 lands, Sol Ring, and Mana Crypt. Then take 59 cards divided evenly between the colors of the general, selected at random from all of the cards I have sleeved up in that color (which is a lot, including a lot of random stuff that won't make most tuned decks, and lots of overly specific stuff like 1/1 evasive dudes for Edric).
My idea is pretty similar to that one. I don't know if I'd go as far as to put some of those creatures in, but maybe a Benalish Hero.
Randomly selecting a pile with not enough ramp, removal, creatures, etc. does not seem that good, but you can always build your deck in this fashion prior to bringing it to your gaming place.
I might not have exactly made everything clear. It's almost like building a 300 card edh deck, but you don't play with all of it. You could still tune it to a point where the deck would have X amount of ramp spells, X amount of removal spells, and X amount of creatures. It wouldn't be completely random. You'd pick the 300 cards that you'd be using. It may not be necessarily be perfect because it adds another randomness factor to playing, however.
Well, I had a big spiel written out as to why I want to do this idea, but my computer got unplugged while typing it and now it's gone forever. So, I'm going to make this a bit shorter.
Idea:
-Get 4-6 Legendary creatures that all share the same colors. Ex. Rubinia Soulsinger, Ragnar, Roon of the Hidden Realm, Treva, the Renewer, and Derevi, Empyrial Tactician.
-Make a mana base for the colors out of however many lands you wish. Let's just say 37.
-Sleeve up 300ish different cards that all fall within these colors.
-Before each game randomly select a general and then randomly select 62 cards from the 300 to be the rest of your deck. Shuffle up the 62 with the 37 land to get a nice 99 with a general
-Play like you normally would
Why would I want to do this?
I don't like building my own decks because they become too consistent. I've actually stopped building EDH decks because I'd rather borrow a deck. I like that challenge of piloting a deck and it makes it a little more difficult if I'm not sure what's exactly all in the deck. Building a deck this way is almost a little like playing someone else's deck. Yes, the deck won't be amazing, and yes, you will lose games, but I've won more than my fair share anyway and I'm alright with losing some games.
Honestly, I'm not sure if this idea is fully thought out or not. That's part of the reason why I'm posting it here. I'm not sure if this idea is worth it. If this doesn't work out then I'll probably sell most, if not all, of my cards because I don't use them anymore. Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated.
You almost always bore your opponents to death playing a deck list this. The easiest solution is to just go infinite. Time Warp + E-Wit (Archaeomancer) + Roon (Dead-Eye) should do the trick. Palinchron + Dead-Eye + almost any other creature that does something has already been suggested can also get there pretty easily.
I do have a foil Mishra. The only Mishra deck that I've ever seen played was one that's only win-cons were Darksteel Reactor and Jinxed Choker, Most of the other cards were cards that were specifically bad in commander.
Provided you have the mana for it, you can attack with Thada Adel, Aquisitor, steal their Blightsteel Colossus out of their deck, cast it, and then dig through your deck for your own Bilghtsteel Colossus and put it into play.
It's also ludicrously cheap if you throw in Mycosynth Golem.
Unwinding Clock + Vedalken Orrery makes every turn your turn. Plus they are both pretty good by themselves. Untapping artifacts to reuse them is always good. Flashing things in is good for obvious reasons.
Mind Stone is a good rock that can draw you a card if you need it. It also can be brought back after you have used it to draw a card.
Blinkmoth Urn can generate you insane amounts of mana. It can help your opponents some, but it still will put you miles ahead.
Trading Post can be used to get back creatures from your graveyard or draw you cards. You can also sacrifice an artifact creature to do either.
Sanctum Gargoyle can get back any of your artifacts that go in to your graveyard. It also is pretty nifty with the previously mentioned Trading Post.
Magistrate's Scepter can be used to take extra turns. It works well with Voltaic Key and Unwinding Clock.
I was going to suggest Solemn Simulacrum because he's fun to sac and recur, but you don't play any basics so he's pretty useless to you.
Disciple of the Vault is pretty good with the whole Thopter Foundry combo. It also can be a wrath deterrent.
That was a joke, but how about Jet Medallion?
Have you considered adding Ob Nixilis, Unshackled to hurt search effects?
That being said, it would be fun to make a large-ish deck and shuffle it up and divvy it up between four people. In that instance you wouldn't have to abide by any of the EDH rules that are currently in place because it would be a different format completely. You'd have a lot of different things to take in to account if you wanted to go as far as to make it a different format. You could simply just slightly alter the current rules if you could find a group of people willing to play. In my opinion, the best way to go about this would be construct something yourself that three other people could also use. That way other players don't have to commit their time to building a deck and they can just use what you've brought.
Simple Example that just expands on my idea a little:
1. You get 244 non-land cards. (61 cards per player)
2. You get 152 lands. (38 per player) (or make 4 mana bases and just give one to each player)
3. You get 4 legendary creatures (1 per player)
4. Then you evenly distribute the non-land cards, the lands, and the legendary creatures.
5. Players shuffle up and everyone has an EDH deck.
Of course you want the colors of the cards to match the legendary creatures like a normal EDH deck. You may want to exclude cards that are overly powerful so that one player can't get a huge advantage from a card that no other player had the ability to get. (Ex. Sol ring. It might be too good if only one person has the ability to get it.) If you build something similar to this then it shouldn't be to difficult to convince a couple of people to try it out with you. Like I said before, if you can make something that doesn't require other people to put effort forth then they will be more willing to give it a shot.
As for the rules list, there isn't really one for what I'm currently doing. Like I said, it's just a different way to go about making an EDH deck that can challenge the pilot in more ways than a normal EDH deck. In it's current form, it's all about challenging yourself as a player.
Thornbite Staff in Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker if you have a sac outlet.
Idea:
-Get 4-6 Legendary creatures that all share the same colors. Ex. Rubinia Soulsinger, Ragnar, Roon of the Hidden Realm, Treva, the Renewer, and Derevi, Empyrial Tactician.
-Make a mana base for the colors out of however many lands you wish. Let's just say 37.
-Sleeve up 300ish different cards that all fall within these colors.
-Before each game randomly select a general and then randomly select 62 cards from the 300 to be the rest of your deck. Shuffle up the 62 with the 37 land to get a nice 99 with a general
-Play like you normally would
Why would I want to do this?
I don't like building my own decks because they become too consistent. I've actually stopped building EDH decks because I'd rather borrow a deck. I like that challenge of piloting a deck and it makes it a little more difficult if I'm not sure what's exactly all in the deck. Building a deck this way is almost a little like playing someone else's deck. Yes, the deck won't be amazing, and yes, you will lose games, but I've won more than my fair share anyway and I'm alright with losing some games.
Honestly, I'm not sure if this idea is fully thought out or not. That's part of the reason why I'm posting it here. I'm not sure if this idea is worth it. If this doesn't work out then I'll probably sell most, if not all, of my cards because I don't use them anymore. Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated.
Eye of the Storm + Knowledge Exploitation let's you cast all instants/sorceries out of your opponents decks several times.