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Quote from Qysas »

The Mirage fetch lands would be great for pioneer. I do have one question though If they reprint or print anything for Pioneer would it also be legal in modern and other formats?

There would be no fetch lands for pioneer. I'm 99% sure they will ban mirage fetches in pioneer when they release them in return to zendikar in a year.

Where is Pioneer sub-forum??

I think deck's concept is weak right now. All these decks that WANT to have some cards in the graveyard.. Usual card advantage game doesnt apply to them, so 8Rack is not functional against them.

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I think MTG Nexus deserves a chance. Developers have put money on the table after they’ve been told MTGSalvation was to close, before a rival company took over and decided to maintain the site. Please have a look at MTGNexus. It’s awesome, with excellent tools on the front page, truly beautiful primers, and a superb look everywhere.

I would prefer the community to move there, but I can’t force anyone...

I checked that site and it looks like it has 100 times less visits. You are the only poster in that thread there, Im not going to move.

Quote from Dressedspring1 »

I actually think if we're open to splashing that Despark is the most exciting card in the set aside from Davriel. It's a single card that simultaneously deals with both leyline as well as the card advantage walkers that give us trouble like Jace and Teferi with a bit of utility in being useful against some creatures. I've played anguished unmaking in the past when I was splashing white and I think that this is generally going to be better when we want it, although I'm unconvinced that boarding to go after the leylines is ever going to be better than delirium skeins which was the direction I eventually settled on.

Despark is bad, this is Modern, people dont want to play expensive cards here. Its dead 90% of the time

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Why didnt wizards print Modern Masters 2019?
Thats so stupid of them imo
They could sell modern staples at $10 per piece of paper
Now players complain and counterfeiters get a free season of printing Jace, Opal, Liliana, fetches and so on

I think horizons will bring them more money than another masters set easily. If even 2 new cards are staples in modern that’ll be enough to sell tons of packs as it’s the only way to get them.

as for the original question, the simple and reductive answer is that the masters series wasnt sustainable. too many competing interests, and the product either had to adapt or move aside for something new.

What competing interests? 1) They can print a set and be sure it will be sold (make money) 2) Players happy with prices going down 3) Players get a new somewhat unique set to draft
Whats else is needed from a product if players are happy with it and company makes money?

Why didnt wizards print Modern Masters 2019?
Thats so stupid of them imo
They could sell modern staples at $10 per piece of paper
Now players complain and counterfeiters get a free season of printing Jace, Opal, Liliana, fetches and so on

I dont know why wouldnt they sell another modern masters. If iconic masters was a failure they can learn from their mistakes and make a good masters set.
Reprinting legacy stuff for modern is not what modern wants, let legacy be legacy and modern be modern.
Modern wants modern reprints to be excited to open them and to make modern cheaper.

Quote from Sephon19 »

I think they should have been more cautious printing Skewer the Critics. It's definitely upped Burn's power significantly. I'm unsure what the correct costing should have been, however. Instant with nonspectacle cost of 3R? Burn thread says it's cast for R about 80% of the time, and with that rate, 2R is fine to pay for it every once in a while. Another issue is that I'm unsure what to ban from Burn if it runs out of control. Probably Eidolon?

I think Burn cant run out of control. Its very one-dimensional and easily counterable. If it gets to high meta percentage people will use more lifegain and Burn will fall. I think Burn, Affinity and Dredge are all very good decks to be t1-t2 forever and at the same time they are self-balancing because they are easy to counter.

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I have to say that Stirrings has restrictions on card colors, not types to make this conversation look sane.

Its not a relevant deck building restriction any more than CoCo or Azcanta have restrictions. Artifacts, Lands, Creatures, Spells and Planeswalkers. Stirrings can find those card types, based on a colourless restriction that is, based on its inclusion in multiple tier 1 archetypes, irrelevant.

Yes CoCo and Azcanta are good comparisons as restrictions and while Stirrings costs 1, Coco is a instant card advantage and Azcanta is huge card advantage. I agree with wizards the restriction is real, to make Stirrings work you need a green heavy (to enable t1-t2 Stirrings) and colorless deck at the same time. When they say restriction, I think they compare it something like Ponder which doesnt have restrictions at all.

Here's a budget version of the maindeck from before ELD... sorry I haven't played since then. I went 11-0 or 12-0 on MTGO with this super-budget-untuned list... so just imagine upgrading the obvious stuff (like Inkmoth Nexus) and replacing Court Homunculus with... anything 0 or 1 CMC. I think All That Glitters and Steel Overseer are worth consideration, but the deck has enough power with Lupine Prototype, Cranial Plating, and Tempered Steel, that it might be overkill. My main ideas were to vomit fully onto the battlefield by turn 3 (so that the turn 2 Lupine Prototype can attack straightaway), be immune to Karny Silence, and have a way to recover after a 2cmc or 3cmc board wipe (Lupine survives and servo exhibitions rebuild fast if you have the Tempered Steel on the field... I considered Sram's Expertise out of the sideboard, and also splashing blue for Day's Undoing):

It’s not that they want to remove shuffle effects from the game. That’s impossible and would severely limit card design. It’s that they know they want a collective effort to limit mid game shuffling because it slows the game down and doesn’t play well with growing stream views.

Banning fetches from the start serves two purposes:

1) Of the top played cards in modern with shuffle effects only Trophy ports over to Pioneer so they have already drastically cut shuffling from format to format. That being said, they still to allow color fixing for deck construction so Fabled Passage is a good start as a card that won’t be jammed into every deck, and must be played smartly.

And 2) They can test the strength of “broken” cards in a vacuum of an eternal format without their primary enablers (fetches). The results of that test will likely dictate which direction the format goes in the future.

I’d venture to guess that the first thought the majority of enfranchised players had at the announcement was “awesome I get to brew with DTT or DRS again” not “ah the mana base is going to be less optimal”. Which I’m sure was their goal.

How does MTGS not have a Pioneer forum yet?

Is it hidden? If not lets make it so Admins.

Quote from Dosequiguy »

No point in trying to brew with Altar when the Vengevine Altar shell is already tier 1. The card has already been solved.

Your right if it's in a teir 1 deck there no other way to use the card effectively, I suppose we should also better ditch those fetchlands, surgical and and thoughtsizes then ow well :/

On another note (and the reason a came hear) I got milled yesterday buy a janky build splashing green for Voracious Wurm after casting a Crypt Incursion, the sacing to alter without passing priority, I have no idea what else he was running (as I was discarded, milled then this turn 5 both games) it seemed pretty interesting so I thought I'd share.

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Essentially if your opponent is just drawing and discarding for their turn, and not doing anything else, they are not advancing the game state.


Per a lvl 2 judge I asked specifically about the discard loophole you mentioned

Q: If a player is just discard a card and passing the turn, either Nexus of Fate specifically or otherwise doing nothing until they reduce their library to only Nexus of Fate via this process of draw, discard, pass turn - am I able to call a judge to stop this tactic, and when can I do so?

A:If you feel that the player can make a play that isn't discarding Nexus, you can call a judge to confirm this.

Q: would that include discarding another card and losing the game?

A: Correct. An exception would be if they could move the game forward, like attacking with a 1/1, and use the nexus discard to stay in.

I feel like this is wrong, i'm asking some judges, and there is a difference between casting endless turn without wincons and just discarding to handsize.
When you discard to handsize, you make the game move forward, cause your opponent got their turn, draw their cards, and do some stuff.

Corner cases can be if the mill player got himself immune to mill. But i can't see discarding to handsize beiing a problem, if it doesn't take 1 minute to do.

Akki doesn't replace Banneret. And it's much worse that Emissary. Emissary is played without ruining your mana curve, it can be chained into Rage Forger turn 3. Akki is just a 1 mana 1/1 that can't be played turn 1, that's it.

For competitive Mill, Thief of Sanity is slow and ineffective. Worse than Ashiok, which is rarely if ever playable.

I personally would have preferred a Scrap Trawler ban. That only hits KCI, but allows the deck to continue to exist at a much lower power level instead of completely nuking it.

I'll disagree and say that in my opinion going Sultai for Assassin's trophy is not what the deck needs at all.

Hitting lands is a very corner case, we don't need any extra tools against Tron or Valakut like Jund did, and we have 4 Fields of Ruin if we need to check some creature-land (and fatal pushes).
We don't really need what Trophy brings, and while sure, it might be nice to trigger traps from time to time, it's just like Path was in Esper Mill, if your opponent knows what he's doing, it likely won't trigger when you need it.

The 3 color mana base is a huge downgrade from UB and brings in a lot of bad opening sevens and lifeloss, not to mention the main reason I don't buy it, the HUGE tension with Mission Briefing. Mission Briefing is the cool toy for mill GRN brought, not Trophy, and the UU goes really bad with BG.

I'd recommend Sqlut's list, my own was a couple cards off from it (I played 2 Fraying Sanity instead of 2 Inquisition and 1 Azcanta and 1 more Mesmeric Orb in place of 1 Crypt Incursion and 1 Land), but with him being an actual Hareruya Pro that has tested intensively and posted VERY good results with it, I guessed I'd better stick with his choices. Played it last week to a 3rd place in my LGS, with my loss incredibly being to Amulet Titan, after beating Phoenix, Grixis DS and a Waste Not deck.
You can watch his stream in Twitch, he also has a pretty detailed sideboard guide, definitely the top content available for the archetype.