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Magic Market Index for June 8th, 2018
 
Ravnica: The Living Guildpact
 
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  • posted a message on Jund
    You are correct. It doesn't look for names.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    True. It used to be based on type but now it's name. However, you can play more than one, but when they pop Oblivion Stone, it is going to be sad panda time.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Aggro didnt exist then?
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Forget it FlyingDelver. S/He can't see the holes in their own argument. All that matters is that Tracker saved the day. Every day. Since forever.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from Pe7er89 »
    I understand both points of @Delver and @Tempest.

    But from a neutral perspective, playing as much Bobs (in Jund) as Trackers (in Junk, since i never play Bob there):
    Isn't it so that, when we lose to aggro, it's usually when we've answered about everything and are going into topdeck mode and lose there because we can't topdeck the right answers to their topdecked threats?
    I mean, with midrange we create the long game for aggro. It's not like we lose the first couple of turns very often, right?

    And, if the above is true, wouldn't you like having a Tracker in that situation rather than Bob?

    I'm just thinking out loud here, not drawing any conclusions.


    In that scenario, yea. Usually when I lose to aggro, it's because I drew the wrong end of my deck or I got land screwed though.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from Tempest753 »
    You're so smug and arrogant and can't even properly read. Yes, a deck that is just packed full of cheap spot removal to beat aggro at the cost of top end cards like 4th liliana, BBEs, and maybe a kcommand is just begging to get ranched by mardu or control when bobs number one and two die to lightning bolts and draw 0 extra cards. Or you could elect to play a hefty chunk of top end with your bobs, like the average jund decks right now, and get semi-often run over by aggro and combo because your hand is full of value cards that don't interact with your opponents in a mana efficient fashion AND you're still only even or maybe a dog to the other midrange decks.

    I never once said bob himself is a disaster against midrange/control, you just don't like me and don't want to read my posts with an honest effort to understand them.

    Reading comprehension is an important skill.


    I read it just fine. Your problem is that you can only see the worst scenarios involving Dark Confidant and not what is even statistically average. Think about this: in a deck where some high-level players have used Tireless Tracker before, why havent they moved wholesale off Bob if he's just so bad? Let's not forget the spells surrounding your win-cons can change depending on what you're facing. That's just the nature of how Jund works, but you keep standing here on your soap box preaching the evils of the Dark One to anyone who will give you the time of day. I'm saying this as someone who legitimately likes Tireless Tracker a lot. Speed is a problem with that guy and unless you can predict your metagame accurately, the spells you have surrounding your win-con are still a guess. Then you're remaining argument seems to be "Oh God! Don't take my life points, Bob!" No one cares. If the metagame is slow enough for you to play a Tracker over Bob and still get similar or better card advantage, I'm guessing things were going fine regardless of which CA engine you choose. Yes, there are certain scenarios I would rather have Tireless Tracker. There are many more where I would rather have Dark Confidant.

    On a side note, I don't care one way or another about you. I dont know you enough to care. I just know what you're saying doesn't make complete sense in a large, open field. If Tireless Tracker is your jam, good for you. To say Dark Confidant is outright bad for the reasons you've given is somewhat nonsensical imo, but you do whatever floats your boat. I just wish you would quit making sweeping statements based on nothing more than a local metagame and personal notions. Give me various match ups with notes at least so there's something to analyze. What works for you may be based on something that won't be as effective for the rest of us.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    Bob is a "disaster" against midrange and control?? I think I'm done entertaining your notions.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jeskai Control
    Are we sure that deck list is correct? I can make a crazy corner case for Blood Moon, but Grafdigger's Cage?? For what?! And Damping sphere seems painful.
    Posted in: Control
  • posted a message on Jund
    I'm more interested in results from an open, large-sized tournament. I like Tireless Tracker a lot, but it's really slow. I think you underestimate how slow it can be.

    I also think you're wrong about their differences against combo not mattering. Speed is literally the name of the game against most combo decks.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on UB(x) control
    Oddly enough, Mr. Nelson and I pretty much ended up at the same 60. I never considered Forsake the Worldly in the main deck, and I still like having one Scarab God in the main.
    Posted in: Proven (Standard)
  • posted a message on Jund
    Quote from Tempest753 »
    Then it sounds like we’re mostly in agreement as far as that’s concerned Delver. I think tracker fixes a lot of the problems that everyone’s complaining about since it’s at its best when you’re flooding, and also is cheaper than BBE so in an emergency you can cast them on 3.

    And for the record, I don’t think it’s condescending to point out a relevant fact that people either don’t know or are willfully ignoring for arguments sake.

    Quote from chaos021 »
    The only problem I consistently ran into with Jeskai was getting land screwed (and by this I mean consistently getting my fourth land on time). I added a 25th land, and all of my problems that were not related to my opponent went away. Jeskai has more than enough ways to filter and dig so getting the spells I could use was never an issue. It was getting enough mana to cast all of them.


    That’s pretty much exactly what I’m getting at. Not drawing enough lands is an almost unavoidable problem that midrange and control decks have and have had for a long time. Not getting to deploy your spells is not so much an argument against jund as it is against playing fair in modern. Mardu is the first midrange deck that can avoid this issue, but it has its own problems.

    I personally think unless some really sweet new cantrip comes out in BGR, the best way to approach lack of consistency in jund is to play a lower curve (or more mana, which is likely only feasible with a new, midrangey mana dork) and the most universally powerful spells you can (ie I don’t think 4-of LotV or bob is very good anymore). I’ll just leave it at that.


    We're just going to have to agree to disagree. You're talking about a different issue imo.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    The only problem I consistently ran into with Jeskai was getting land screwed (and by this I mean consistently getting my fourth land on time). I added a 25th land, and all of my problems that were not related to my opponent went away. Jeskai has more than enough ways to filter and dig so getting the spells I could use was never an issue. It was getting enough mana to cast all of them.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund


    The dude/deck sucks it up for 5 rounds on MTGO and now we’re gonna have three pages of how ‘Jund is obsolete, just look at the insurmountable evidence’ to wade through.


    Yes, Reid's play was questionable at times through that video in my personal opinion. I still think he knows the deck and his opponent's deck better than I would on an average day, and it's so much easier to be a backseat pilot. The other part that you're forgetting is that FlyingDelver and I play this deck a lot. I'm talking online and in paper for myself. This isn't a conclusion I came to after having one bad day.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    I literally said something similar and @Tempest jumped all over me saying "if you hate Jund so much, why even post here?" Jund has a problem with not being able to smooth out its draws or find a competitive level of consistency. It's been an issue I've been trying to tackle for well over a year. All of the ways we could develop that consistency either require dropping the third color (red), using a different third color, playing cards that generally slow the deck down or do things that are distasteful for the deck's strategy/philosophy/whatever you want to call it. The problem is real. It's not just variance.

    Sure, we could get lucky and just get the match ups we want. Even then, there's still a good chance our deck just fails us. Something about that isn't right.
    Posted in: Midrange
  • posted a message on Jund
    I've tested Tireless Tracker and have liked it a lot. The problem is that it is a very slow engine. Against decks like Tron, where you're trying to get there asap, I think it's really questionable. It really shines in the grindier (midrange and control) matches.

    EDIT: I don't think I would ever cut Dark Confidant in general. I can see trimming some number, but if I'm at the point of cutting them altogether, I think I'd rather play a different deck.
    Posted in: Midrange
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