Quote from user-11186802 »Hello, why play esper over something like uw ?
Esper Charm and Fatal Push are really good right now.
Quote from Bearscape »Against UW and tron I both want Negate, but I might want Disdainful stroke since that is slightly better against tron even though it's worse against UW. However most of the things I want to counter out of UW are also cmc4 so the downsides of running Disdainful Stroke are beaten by the upsides it gains vs tron.
Against UW and tron I both want Dovin's Veto, but I might want Disdainful stroke since that is slightly better against tron even though it's worse against UW. UW mirrors are generally decided by who resolves the first threat and Dovin's Veto is so devastating there that the upsides of Disdainful Stroke do not outweigh the upsides of Dovin's Veto.
It's also false to claim UWx is the only matchup where uncounterability is relevant; there's plenty of minor combo decks that get got pretty hard by it. I can also see an argument for bringing in DV whilst I wouldn't bring in Negate vs GDS,.
Quote from Arkmer »Veto is a control policing card that goes in control in a meta where control doesn't hold much meta share; chances are this will create more one sided control mirrors (UWx vs non-UWx). The card is virtually indistinguishable against decks with no counters, but as soon as you sit across from a Grixis control player, you will find that you have an incredibly easy time with Veto in your hand.
If they're sculpting a better hand than you? Doesn't matter, Veto their walker/Ultimatum/non-creature bomb.
You might immediately point at Counterflux or Last Word, but I would point out that 3 and 4cmc counters are pretty terrible unless they come with great upsides. Veto is just a straight upgrade to an already playable card. No one is clamoring over Cancel only to find they're outclassed by Counterflux, much less Last Word. There is just more reason to run Veto because Negate is already a thing and Cancel is not.
For some control players (myself included), a combination of Veto and Teferi beg the question "Will WotC ever support non-UWx control?" and "What do my colors bring to the table that can compete with UWx?". In the long run if a deck like Grixis control begins to find time in the sun Veto will move in and take over.
Quote from Bearscape »Quote from chaos021 »Really? Four of them? Has Negate been a rockstar while I've been away?
Seriously, it's not like control mirrors are all over Modern right now.
One Negate is pretty standard main, and I often have 3 counterspells in my sideboard mixing between Dispel, Negate, Disdainful Stroke and Counterflux. I think Dovin's Veto is better than all 4 of those.
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- 2 Anger in the sideboard might be replaced by a quick clock (Geist or Clique).