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Dec 7, 2018You're right about PF, but I just dont think a fair card like that deserves a spot on the banned list. If our goal was the stifle the top tier degenerate decks, then a card like Deathrite Shaman would be an easy fix to that. It might sound crazy due to the card's history, but i think the same reasoning can be applied to DRS if that is our criteria.Posted in: Modern
Dec 7, 2018Posted in: ModernQuote from FoodChainGoblins »I read a post on FB by a team member that said that Humans is stifling Midrange. Midrange is just not cutting it when a disruptive Aggro deck can Midrange much better. There was a point to that which I had not thought of myself.
I know I'm going to be discredited, but I feel that a Deathrite Shaman unban would greatly help Midrange. Yes, the card is super good, banned in Legacy, and caused a terrible meta many years ago in Modern, but Modern is the Wild West. Deathrite Shaman would get played a bunch, but I doubt more than 1-2 Deathrite Shaman decks would be Tier 1. Maybe Punishing Fire should be tried first? I don't actually believe that Punishing Fire can help Midrange enough.
Outside of that, what helps Midrange the most is knowledge of your deck and dodging the many, many poor matchups. This is the key in Modern!
I agree with this idea. Magic nowadays has much bigger threats and the games are quite swingy especially when it is based on controlling the battlefield. What midrange needs is a way to stabilize after they gain the advantage. Cards like Punishing Fire and Deathrite have the ability to affect the game throughout the game rather than one time use. Thoughtseize can't control what the opponent top decks, and even with a giant board state, they can always just draw a KCI, Primeval Titan, or another highly impactful Human or Spirit to totally turn the tables.
Dec 7, 2018I think Punishing Fire and Green Sun's Zenith are cards that help fair decks more than unfair, which is why it could be beneficial for the format if they come off. Stoneforge Mystic as well. Possibly same with Preordain, but to a lesser extent.Posted in: Modern
The reasons Punishing Fire was banned is outdated similar to the outdatedness of Wild Nacatl and Sword of the Meek. They had this fear in the early days of Modern that aggro was in danger, which is totally not the case nowadays. I think most people fundamentally misunderstand how Green Sun's Zenith actually works and most people equate its function with a somewhat different type of Birthing Pod, which isn't the case.
Dec 6, 2018Posted in: ModernQuote from BlueTronFTW »I stand by my original idea that this may be the perfect environment for Skred Red. Hell I'm on burn, the fairest turn 4 deck, and even I'm sitting around not wanting to play. Granted, that's also because I am competitive AF.
Skred Red is a "gotch ya" deck most of the time. The reason for this is simply because the power level of the cards they play just are overall lower in general than most higher tier decks. I think there can be times where certain metas are better for certain lower tier decks, like now with a slight rise of Martyr Proc for example, but I dont think a deck like those ever really have a shot of becoming tier 1 or even high tier 2 until another card is printed to push them
Dec 5, 2018Posted in: Modern
Quote from M1sgu1ded1 »Quote from Spsiegel1987 »Part of my reservation of buying combo decks like that is that it doesn't really go into much else. One ban or just a deck/card to invalidate an entire deck makes me nervous.
Just from naturally playing GBx and whatnot I have most of the Arclight deck minus Arclight and Manamorphose. There's a bunch of the smaller pieces but they're not expensive.
UR Control dominated over the summer, just the recent graveyard decks is making it difficult to navigate.
Yea, same, arclight and manamorphose is pretty much all I need for UR arclight. I share your fears about a possible ban hampering KCI, but as long as it's not MOpal I figure I could also move into hardened scales.
This is the ultimate fear of any combo deck player in Modern, and quite frankly, it shouldn't exist, unless the deck is over dominate when it comes to meta share.
Fair decks should get more of a leeway when it comes to bannings. If a deck that promotes healthy interaction and gameplay, like humans, has a high meta share, they should be afforded some percentage points due to the policing nature of a deck like that. One of the stated goals, and rightfully so, of Modern was to make sure non-interactive combo decks didn't run rampant to avoid the two situations that arise:
1. both players ignoring each other, creating a dice roll format
2. The format becomes a sideboard war, whoever draws the sideboard cards first, or more of them, wins.
With keeping in mind of that goal, that doesn't give a responsible game designer a free pass on banning cards that would hinder top tier combo decks. I advocate so much for metagame share to be the "be all" rule when it comes to banning due to this sentiment of fear of constantly having your deck banned out. How could you possibly tell someone that thier $500+ deck is now unplayable because of some other reason? Meta game share is able to be proven empirically.
For example, I've yet to see any good reason why Mox Opal should be banned ever on this forum or on any other website other than "the card is powerful lul."
Dec 5, 2018I really dont think modern is like Legacy at all. No Ponder or Preordain, no Dark Depths. Turnbo Xerox exists within basically one archetype, with maybe Death's Shadow as a second. The most dominate decks are Aether Vial decks, which isn't remotely true for Legacy. The Phoenix decks work differently than a turnbo xerox in Legacy like UR Delver or Grixis Delver. Our control decks even function pretty differently than Legacy control decksPosted in: Modern
Dec 5, 2018Here's my list:Posted in: Control
No Field of Ruins, I'm just trying to beat Tron and other Land decks with discard. It's not the best plan, but we are unfavored against them anyways, and I'd rather have the consistent mana. We don't have the luxury of 2 color like UW does. I'd rather just try and fight with discard and card advantage rather than blow up their lands. Pithing Needle helps with walkers like Karn or even in other match ups, like Liliana.
No Damnation. I just think the card is bad and Engineered Explosives and Languish are just better options. Honestly might go up to 2 EEsin the 75, the card is just amazing especially in this meta.
Thief of Sanity comes in vs grindy match ups. The idea is that we are thinning the delve creatures post board alongside a thought scour or two. Thief is a pretty huge threat when it comes to virtual card advantage, and creates a situation where they need to use a removal spell or they lose. Most likely they will be siding out some removal like against Jund, and UW will be forced to use Path to Exile, which could benefit us with the ramp, and decrease their odds to draw it alter for our real threats like Nicol Bolas
Dec 4, 2018I like Valakut, The Molten Pinnacle. Unlike most of the cards on this list, it actually created a totally new archetype by itself. A while ago, RUG Scapeshift was super good, and Temur/Bring to Light Scapeshift is still played every so often. It's not an oppressive combo and while bing pretty uninteractive, I think it will forever be a balanced combo deck do to its limited speed and Wotc printing more and more land interaction in Modern like Field of Ruin, Alpine Moon, etc.Posted in: Modern
Dec 3, 2018Posted in: ModernQuote from Depian »Quote from Pistallion »Sideboarding isn't supposed to be a bunch of silver bullets to cover your back against all other decks. It's supposed to help you in matchups where you have a disadvantage. That's why a card like Abrade is actually a lot better than Stony Silence.
That's how I think it should be. The problem is that right now, broad answers are not enough to deal with specific strategies, Abrade is not enough to deal with artifact strategies so if you are playing red and have to deal with them you are more likely to need Shattering Spree or Ancient Grudge if you can play green. The same happens when you compare vs other strategies, a card like Rakdos Charm should be a sideboard all star since it's so versatile but unfortunately none of it's modes does enough (Dredge can take the exile and rebuild, artifact decks get 1for 1 and keep doing their thing)
Your main deck needs to be able to deal with some of these at least. That's my point. If you can't beat gy decks, for example, then that's fine, as long as you are decent vs some number of other decks. 1 hate card like Abrade is not enough vs most decks, thats how powerful decks are constructed, they dont just fold to 1 hate piece. The point of having a card like Abrade in the SB is to slow down your opponent so you can develop your own game. You can't look to just play 1 sideboard card and expect to win
Dec 3, 2018Sideboarding isn't supposed to be a bunch of silver bullets to cover your back against all other decks. It's supposed to help you in matchups where you have a disadvantage. That's why a card like Abrade is actually a lot better than Stony Silence.Posted in: Modern
Dec 3, 2018There's a difference in thinking a card is powerful and wanting it banned. Banning Lootings would just eliminate a totally new archetype... and for what reason? People don't like playing against it? If anything, Aether Vial decks are and have been the most oppressive decks in Modern within the past year. Calling for bans is honestly somewhat immature.Posted in: Modern
I've seen it so many times on this forum. Remember the Grapeshot/ PiF discusion a year ago? It's ridiculous with the ban craze
Nov 30, 2018Posted in: ModernQuote from Galerion »Quote from Pistallion »I think it's laughable that the cantrips Ponder and Preordain are on the banned list. Besides Storm, what other blue combo decks even exist? At the end of the day it's just a cantrip, and the only real reason a card like Ponder or Preordain should be banned is to avoid the situation they have in Legacy where Brainstorm warps the meta, skewing Blue heavily. This is far from the case in Modern and realistically only would buff decks like Storm or Grixis Death's Shadow.
I think you are underselling the power of the blue cantrips. There is a reason they are eternal all-stars. Magic after all is a game of chances. We are playing with a randomized deck so variance is a thing and so no game plays out like the last one. How often have you heard "I didn't draw card X in time so I lost" or "I drew only lands and no gas so I lost?
The blue cantrips make every blue deck more consistent at whatever they are doing. It's silly to think only about its implications in Combo when it's good in everything besides Aggro. Suddenly that removal spell, board wipe, counter spell, threat or hate card always seems show up at the right time while a deck like Jund would have drawn a useless discard spell for example. "I hope he doesn't have card X" is far less likely to happen against a blue deck.
I mean don't get me wrong. If they are getting unbanned I will play them gladly and I won't complain about it. Im not arguing for them to stay banned here.
But Im realistic and can see beyond my own selfish desires. At the end of the day less variance is always better than more variance. That's only logical and while you might not notice it if you look at single games Im sure over a large sample size blue decks would show themselves to be generally more consistent than non-blue decks. That is the case in every single format where those types of cards are legal and so saying that for some reason it would not be so in Modern has no ground to stand on.
Sure we would still have no Brainstorm but Ponder is still a powerhouse of a card and the number 2 card in Legacy and an automatic 4-of in every blue deck. Preordain sees less play sure but it still sees a decent amount of play and you can say that is only because Brainstorm and Ponder are better and already automatic 4-ofs.
There was a Modern Nexus article a few months ago testing Preordain and it only made the decks slightly better. There's a huge difference in Lgeacy where the quality of cards become better, which makes cantrips better in turn. Also Brainstorm is broken.
Which decks would benefit from ponder and Preordain? Storm obviously, but what else? To me, mostly fair decks would
Nov 30, 2018I think it's laughable that the cantrips Ponder and Preordain are on the banned list. Besides Storm, what other blue combo decks even exist? At the end of the day it's just a cantrip, and the only real reason a card like Ponder or Preordain should be banned is to avoid the situation they have in Legacy where Brainstorm warps the meta, skewing Blue heavily. This is far from the case in Modern and realistically only would buff decks like Storm or Grixis Death's Shadow.Posted in: Modern
The real fear of Punishing Fire would bring is the total elimination of Aggro, which I can't see as a reality. Combine this with Umezawa's Jitte and/or Stoneforge Mystic and Aggro could easily fall heavily. This is especially concerning that Stoneforge is candidate #1 currently for unbanning, making Punishing Fire a little less appealing, at least for now. However, I'm on board with Jitte and SFM coming off soon, since these two card would probably add more diversity than killing it, as well as being less powerful than other things you could be doing in Modern at the moment.
Jitte also creates subgames that usually result in who ever gets Jitte online first wins, essentially warping any Aggro/Midrange matches around it.
Birthing Pod is in a similar vein as its old Modern Pillar partner Splinter Twin. I personally don't have strong feelings for these two cards staying on or coming off the banned list either way, but if you're going to make the argument, as the guy did in the article, that Splinter Twin "eliminated all other options in its class, as well as made enemy combo decks atrocious in comparison." Or in other words, lessened diversity and pushed out many decks due to its presence, you have to make the same conclusion for Birthing Pod as well. Imo, Pod is a much scarier card, especially since the printing of so many cards that would slot into the archetype since its banning, that if he's going to advocate for Splinter Twin staying on the banned list, he's gotta do the same for Birthing Pod.
Lastly, Glimpse of Nature most likely just adds another degenerate linear combo deck in the top of the meta. Is that something we really need in Modern right now?
He strangely doesn't even mention Green Sun's Zenith when going over cards remaining ont he banned list. He says " The artifact lands, free spells, card draw that should have never been printed, fast mana, and mana boosts should all be kept out of a format that's currently infested with turn 3 and 4 wins." Yet, GSZ doesn't fit on any of these, but he's advocating for a obvious combo enabler with Glimpse of Nature, so I'm kind of confused by this. I advocate that Birthing Pod is a stronger card than GSZ in general in regards to Modern, so my conclusion is that GSZ should be in consideration for unbanning way before we begin to talk about Birthing Pod.
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