because the single shot stuff doesnt do near enough v KCI or the new bridgevine. KCI just sacs more stuff and puts new triggers over the macabre trigger and bridgevine rebuilds the graveyard in one turn. Multiple times Ive had KCI win through multiple surgicals on the stack or multiple relic triggers on the stack. Its just not good enough.
Right now Im jamming Leylines in all my non white sideboards. relics simply arent good enough right now, I want cards that win the game for me and Sarkhan will let me loot the extras I may draw away. Online is FULL of decks that leyline hits hard right now.
Yeah, that vengevine bridge deck is everywhere right now. Ive been seeing a ton of it and burn, so not playing near as much tron right now. Regarding spirits, I've played a good amount of bant spirits and I think Tron is certainly favored. I would probably be running an all is dust as a 5th sweeper that dodges queller, and a third ballista to interact with the go wide draws of bridgevine and spirits, also to have a creature that can clear out turn 1 2 bridges in the yard for 0 mana if I wanted.
realized i had almost every card in that most recent 5-0 list so threw it together for a random fun time. Promptly 4-1 two consecutive comp leagues (I added a kessig wolf run and have a different sideboard). It is fun, Ill add a second stomping ground and maybe look to take out something for some piece of maindeck life gain.
Had a ton of success last league season, i continue to get crushed this one. Ran two leagues yesterday and today, 2-3 both, 3 burn, 3 kci, 2 hollow 1, UW spirits, merfolk.
So like i mentioned in my previous post regarding CoCo... I strongly believe that in modern right now you need some way to get free wins and that for spirits those options are CoCo and/or geist but I dont think geist is great right now. CoCo allows boards like this on turn 4.
edit... pic is cropped but theres a wanderer as well over there.
I've been watching that video too with interest, I've also discussed about it with friends who have been playing with me for a long time now and some of them suggest a couple Mutavaults could actually provide value now.
Yesterday I've been bashed online by Vizier Combo and KCI, they have been too fast going off, and this caused me to think if there's a more aggressive configuration of the deck I can set up.
When I saw the video i recalled to my mind all of the reasons why Mutavault has been bad so far, but I could see some arguments in its favor too:
- we have got 8 lords now which are likely to stick to the ground against non-interactive decks. Those anti-magic strategies playing by ignoring what you do, especially pre sideboard, could actually take an extra big hit from Mutavault.
-later in the game, Mutavault acts as a little mana sinker to give a sense to extra lands we don't need, and that could push our race after being hit by a Verdict.
One of my nightmares right now is Jeskai landing Teferi after some proper board control. There mutavault could give that extra push to keep the powerful PW in check.
My experience with Mutavault dates back to March '17 when i got back into Magic and I approached the deck. I remember of one game where I have got my MV bolted getting manascrewed from there. I guess i wouldn't activate it now on T2 when facing Grixis, and I'd be able to make a better use of it, so yea, I'm curious to see how a couple of these work in the M19-upgraded deck.
Ross also decided to include 3x Geist. I think it's a meta call, if you re swimming in a pool of KCI, Tron, Jeskai, then it might be fine. I always recal to my mind that GoST isn't attacking any sooner than turn 4 in UW, and this why I'm not adding a couple to my sideboard. Maybe it's still good against combos and controls, I'll wait to hear from you guys.
Regarding the "run out of gas" problem - I always thought about playing Tamiyo, Field Researcher in the Bant Version. The card on its own is really great. And it does a lot for the Deck as well.
The problem here is that Tamiyo, Field Researcher is doing nothing on an empty board. It ticks up and that's it. Bad top deck.
4-1 again with bant last night losing to Jeskai control. I moved one geist to the side and main deck 1 remorseful with another in the side (and 1 RIP)
Nice, why don't you share your list and spend some words on the choices you've made?
Sure, don't know how to make the list show up as links but here's the deck I've been running:
4 path
4 wanderer
4 noble
4 supreme phantom
3 selfless
3 image
1 remorseful
3 rattlechains
4 drogskol
4 queller
4 CoCo
Side:
3 unified will
3 stony
2 RIP
2 finks
1 eidolon of rhetoric
2 pridemage
2 g o s t
I've 4-1 4 straight comp leagues with bant (and 1 for 1 with UW vial) but the disclaimer is that i had 2 geist maindeck for the first three leagues and moved them to the board as I really only wanted them for tron and UW(x). I have very little experience with UW vials but bant feels quite a bit more powerful from a perspective of just running people over whereas UW felt more disruptive but seemed less likely to give 'free' wins where you steamroll the opp. To bridge that gap of interactivity i added the third rattlechains and third selfless maindeck. Selfless is just phenomenal, particularly with flash, I'd like a fourth (four in my vial build)
Regarding coco v vial... vial comes down right away and is useful as early as turn 2, but obviously loses significant value thereafter whereas, in my opinion, with spirits needed a critical mass coco is just the superior card. It is the literal best topdeck, our source of CA and instant disruption. both builds offer great utlity lands, I miss the two mutavaults with bant, but miss gavony with UW.
-supreme phantom is great, 3 toughness matters a lot at 2 mana.
-remorseful: flashing in remorseful, saccing selfless and remorseful in response to living end was just intensely satisfying.
-I'd like a better card for the side than finks, but they took the rhox spots because they felt awful. Been considering putting two reflector mage,voice of resurgence to buy time and mess with control more in here or clique/obstructionist/archangel avacyn to interact more on the opps turn. Herald could fit the bill but creature matchups have felt pretty easy already.
I've 4-1 three straight comp leagues with Bant and it's felt quite good, Ive actually felt like the worst card was Geist in the deck, and am considering putting it into the side to bring in where it's good and putting more flying and disruptive creatures in the main. CoCo is just so good.
Sic, you noticing any negative online meta? did 2 leagues with g tron today and matches went KCI 3x, Burn 2x, Dredge 2x, Storm 2x dropped the tenth, so yeah, its been miserable for me.
chalice on zero (2 later if you can), ratchet bombs out of the side. But it's a rough matchup, If I'm winning v affinity I usually drew multiple ballistas because it's the one thing that interacts well with ravager activations. Plating is the scariest card by far. With more infect appearing again, enough bogles and utility v affinity I've been considering a spellskite in the board. Gut shots are also nice here especially since you generally aren't using chalice on 1.
Ive run into BG infect 4 times in the last week or so but only once when i was playing E Tron and yes, the 2 games (1 and 3) I turn 2 chaliced on the play I won. the worrisome card is the plague stingers. Deck doesn't deal with flying threats in any cheap way other than dismember whereas chalice and tons of ground creatures fight the other 2 pretty well, reshaper value puts you ahead on the resource trading pretty well and tutorable GQ's (Im on 3) handle the ink moth's.
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edit... pic is cropped but theres a wanderer as well over there.
Sure, don't know how to make the list show up as links but here's the deck I've been running:
4 path
4 wanderer
4 noble
4 supreme phantom
3 selfless
3 image
1 remorseful
3 rattlechains
4 drogskol
4 queller
4 CoCo
Side:
3 unified will
3 stony
2 RIP
2 finks
1 eidolon of rhetoric
2 pridemage
2 g o s t
I've 4-1 4 straight comp leagues with bant (and 1 for 1 with UW vial) but the disclaimer is that i had 2 geist maindeck for the first three leagues and moved them to the board as I really only wanted them for tron and UW(x). I have very little experience with UW vials but bant feels quite a bit more powerful from a perspective of just running people over whereas UW felt more disruptive but seemed less likely to give 'free' wins where you steamroll the opp. To bridge that gap of interactivity i added the third rattlechains and third selfless maindeck. Selfless is just phenomenal, particularly with flash, I'd like a fourth (four in my vial build)
Regarding coco v vial... vial comes down right away and is useful as early as turn 2, but obviously loses significant value thereafter whereas, in my opinion, with spirits needed a critical mass coco is just the superior card. It is the literal best topdeck, our source of CA and instant disruption. both builds offer great utlity lands, I miss the two mutavaults with bant, but miss gavony with UW.
-supreme phantom is great, 3 toughness matters a lot at 2 mana.
-remorseful: flashing in remorseful, saccing selfless and remorseful in response to living end was just intensely satisfying.
-I'd like a better card for the side than finks, but they took the rhox spots because they felt awful. Been considering putting two reflector mage,voice of resurgence to buy time and mess with control more in here or clique/obstructionist/archangel avacyn to interact more on the opps turn. Herald could fit the bill but creature matchups have felt pretty easy already.