MTG Salvation

Quote from Dresden

With that exact meta, I think Imperial Painter would kill it Very few duals, some fetches though. And of course...recruiters.

Quote from rowtheboat

TNN and Toxic Deluge were almost certainly designed with Eternal in mind. While we can't know for sure, we can infer from past experiences with the other sets they have made that release directly into the Eternal. They are free to push cards past the usual limits that Standard, and to a lesser extent Modern, imposes and that's how we get cards like Flusterstorm, Shardless Agent, Baleful Strix, etc. It's hard to make cards that are powerful enough to see play in Legacy and Vintage but not cause problems in Standard or Modern. The direct to Eternal releases give them a free avenue to do so and they have clearly taken advantage of the fact.

They design these types of cards with their hearts in the right place, the issue is that they don't really test Eternal to the level they do for other formats, if at all even. When they release cards that they designed for Eternal it's done so with the "hope this goes well, and worst case scenario we can ban it" mindset. That's how we got Mental Misstep; designed for Eternal but banned shortly thereafter.

Quote from Thursdayisgod

None of the decks I listed play Lilly?

I added a poll, really hard to decide between MUD or Dredge, I like them both a lot.

If I build Dredge it will probably be a temporary deck while I get together ANT or TES and then just use Dredge when the meta is favorable. I really like the "prison" idea of MUD though, seems like a blast to play and that it could be really good when I plan to face ANT 3/5 matches per fnm.

Quote from Lormador

The trouble with resilience is that it's difficult to measure, which is why we tested goldfish speed instead. There's no ambiguity with what constitutes goldfish speed, though even there we were willfully ignoring the fact that a turn 4 kill might involve triple turn 2 Cabal Therapy, which is pretty darn good.

We might presume to test resilience by running a similar goldfish on the draw against a turn 1 Deathrite Shaman, and that test would tell us something. I just don't think the very general 'resilience' would be sufficiently tested by that specific (albeit common) arrangement, and the situation is complicated by most of the best Tireless Dredge lists having been played before the advent of DRS. Alter the list, and we're in pet deck territory, as opposed to proven lists.

It's pretty tricky. Other tests for resilience might include a Spell Pierce, Daze, Force of Will, Thoughtseize/Duress/IoK, Chalice of the Void, Blood Moon, or Trinisphere (as my MUD deck gets even these uncomfortable 3-mana lock pieces down 1st turn with some regularity). Even Goblin Lackey, whom I haven't seen on a table in far too long.

I was about to write that testing all of these situations would be far too laborious, but actually since this is the Internet, we can all just take one of them and trot out 35 hands with each deck under consideration. I'd do my part.

Any takers?

@Falamin, it might be that the list is more resilient, or it might be due to other causes. Perhaps you've gotten better at the deck, for instance maybe your Therapy calls are better with time. I know that my opponents, when they don't know what I'm playing yet, can't Force my 1st turn LEDs fast enough if all I've exposed is a Gemstone Mine. They figure I'm playing Storm.

Quote from 0evil_overlord0

Journey into Nyx is supposed to have all the non aura/creature enchantments in the block. If enchantress gets anything, It'll probably be there.

Quote from bodul

Metalworker will,at least,hold it's value(reserved)if it doesn't go up.It has a descnt MU against tempo decks,witch have been tier 1 decks for 2+ years.