I don't understand the mythic rarity complaints given there are so few mythics that I would prefer to this and it would not be rare anyway with its current price tag and limited playability (an unplayable auto-first pick for $ is not really healthy for limited imo).
Set needed a few more chase mythics, that's one.
There's really no reason to bump this to mythic to meet a quota for chase mythics when there are plenty of other cards that would have fit that bill and wouldn't need a rarity bump, and even a card or two that no one would have minded getting an upgrade.
You and everyone in here are such hypocites. You act as if Wizards should just seeve your will and print Black Lotus at common and make if worth a dollar. There is a reason why this and Snappy were upgraded. It is to preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins. MM2015 was a disaster and Wizards is learning from their mistakes. There is so much value in this set at Rare. I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone feels the need to complain about every little thing. Get over yourselves. In the meantime buy the damn product or not. If you don't I will.
Oh look yet another drooling fanboy who doesn't understand or care to understand the arguments that anyone puts forward, makes some hyperbolic strawman argument about "Black Lotus/Power 9 at common" and doesn't know what "hypocrisy" means.
Oh look another idiot whiner that the game costs too much money and this is a money grab. Wizards has 0 obligation to reprint these cards. It does not even support the format. BE happy that they are making the cards available to a growing base. I am tired of people complaining about cards as if a Corporation whose main focus is to make money doesn't give Joe Schmo everything he wants while they lose money. WOTC needs LGS's otherwise they don't make a profit. God forbid they throw them a bone.
It makes zero sense to have Tarmogoyf and Cavern of Souls at mythic and Niv-Mizzet shifted down to rare. Niv-Mizzet is exactly the sort of legendary, powerful, storyline-dependent card that the mythic rarity was originally created for.
Outside of the story aspect, there is absolutely nothing Mythic about Niv-Mizzet. I think it is time for people to understand that in this set everything is based off of either secondary market value (as it should be considering this is a supplemental set) as well as draft value. I wonder about some people here sometimes get that this set was put together with these two principles in mind yet some people are calling for no mythic rarity in this set. Hilarious.
I don't like mythic rarity in the set because it aids stores in gauging card printings in these reprint sets, which can lead to market manipulation. Setting all the cards at rare and just shifting around the print numbers behind the scenes is safer.
It has 0 to do with singles gauging and more so making sure packs hold value so buyers do not go into lottery ticket mode.
It makes zero sense to have Tarmogoyf and Cavern of Souls at mythic and Niv-Mizzet shifted down to rare. Niv-Mizzet is exactly the sort of legendary, powerful, storyline-dependent card that the mythic rarity was originally created for.
Outside of the story aspect, there is absolutely nothing Mythic about Niv-Mizzet. I think it is time for people to understand that in this set everything is based off of either secondary market value (as it should be considering this is a supplemental set) as well as draft value. I wonder about some people here sometimes get that this set was put together with these two principles in mind yet some people are calling for no mythic rarity in this set. Hilarious.
I don't understand the mythic rarity complaints given there are so few mythics that I would prefer to this and it would not be rare anyway with its current price tag and limited playability (an unplayable auto-first pick for $ is not really healthy for limited imo).
Set needed a few more chase mythics, that's one.
There's really no reason to bump this to mythic to meet a quota for chase mythics when there are plenty of other cards that would have fit that bill and wouldn't need a rarity bump, and even a card or two that no one would have minded getting an upgrade.
You and everyone in here are such hypocites. You act as if Wizards should just seeve your will and print Black Lotus at common and make if worth a dollar. There is a reason why this and Snappy were upgraded. It is to preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins. MM2015 was a disaster and Wizards is learning from their mistakes. There is so much value in this set at Rare. I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone feels the need to complain about every little thing. Get over yourselves. In the meantime buy the damn product or not. If you don't I will.
There is just no pleasing some of you is there? For years we hear over and over again that Enemy Fetches need a reprint. WOTC needed something to sell this set and here you have it. This will definitely decrease cost on these fetches as well. They are being printed at rare not at mythic. Compare this to EMA which reprinted Wasteland and saw its value drop around 75% for a card in super high demand.
The demand for Wasteland isn't even close to the demand for enemy fetches. It's not a super popular Commander card and the Legacy playerbase is a tiny fraction of the Modern playerbase. Fetches are some of the most important cards in every format where they're legal.
Unless the print run for this set is absolutely massive I doubt the price will really fall much at all long term. Compare to Noble Hierarch. Printed at rare in MM2015, lower demand than enemy fetches, currently worth almost exactly what it was worth before MM2015.
However, you're right that the Wasteland comparison is a bad one. It's just that your counter is equally bad. A better example would be Tarmogoyf's price history, but even that's not a particularly good one.
Actually Goyf a bad example as well considering it is Mythic in both reprints and in 2 sets with a limited run. Maybe a better comparison is Doubling Season which nosedived in value after its reprint only to see it spike recently because of Atarka.
That "k" is a "x" of atraxa
By the way Doubling season got reprint it price tanked then when the print run of modern masters one ending it jumped back up.
I don't that's going to happen for most of this amazing reprints in this.
I was at work and was short on time and wanted to make a quick reply so apologies on the misspelling of Atraxa. That being said, my comparison still stands. I bought a playset of Doubling Season about 6 months after its MM reprint for about $25 a piece. 6 months ago before Atraxa was printed, it sat around 30-35 and was slowly inching its way back up. Only after Atraxa and her popularity did it rise significantly and is not around $60 a pop
There is just no pleasing some of you is there? For years we hear over and over again that Enemy Fetches need a reprint. WOTC needed something to sell this set and here you have it. This will definitely decrease cost on these fetches as well. They are being printed at rare not at mythic. Compare this to EMA which reprinted Wasteland and saw its value drop around 75% for a card in super high demand.
The demand for Wasteland isn't even close to the demand for enemy fetches. It's not a super popular Commander card and the Legacy playerbase is a tiny fraction of the Modern playerbase. Fetches are some of the most important cards in every format where they're legal.
Unless the print run for this set is absolutely massive I doubt the price will really fall much at all long term. Compare to Noble Hierarch. Printed at rare in MM2015, lower demand than enemy fetches, currently worth almost exactly what it was worth before MM2015.
However, you're right that the Wasteland comparison is a bad one. It's just that your counter is equally bad. A better example would be Tarmogoyf's price history, but even that's not a particularly good one.
Actually Goyf a bad example as well considering it is Mythic in both reprints and in 2 sets with a limited run. Maybe a better comparison is Doubling Season which nosedived in value after its reprint only to see it spike recently because of Atarka.
There is just no pleasing some of you is there? For years we hear over and over again that Enemy Fetches need a reprint. WOTC needed something to sell this set and here you have it. This will definitely decrease cost on these fetches as well. They are being printed at rare not at mythic. Compare this to EMA which reprinted Wasteland and saw its value drop around 75% for a card in super high demand. Not saying this will be a 75% drop in value but the decrease will be significant if the rumors are true and this is a 5x print run. Who is also to say that even if the product sells out quickly that Wizards will not do a second run much like EMA or even reprint them again in EMA2018 or MM2019? This is a way for them to increase circulation of the product without damaging what is their cash cow, Standard. Calm down, wait 6 months and then reassess. In the meantime, I am buying a box and drafting as much of this set as possible.
My wishlist: Gaddock Teeg - Rare Path to Exile - UC (in the worst need of a reprint because it sees play everywhere now a days) Liliana of the Veil - Mythic... need to sell the set Snapcaster Mage - Rare (not upshifted... no need) see Liliana Damnnation - rare Badly needs a reprint Doubling Season - Rare badly needs a reprint Avacyn, Angel of Hope -mythic Fits Innistrad focus plus counteracts Grizzy Cavern of Souls - Rare Needs reprint Jin-Gitaxis, Core Auger -Mythic solid blue mythic that could use a reprint Hellrider - Mythic I personally would like it to be rare but he was originally a mythic and let us be honest... doesn't have a ton of chase mythics. He fits Archangel of Thune - Mythic could fill other mythic spot and is a great nod to Commander. Past in Flames - Mythic. Red's other mythic that actually sees Modern play Blasphemous Act -Rare underutilized but is great in limited Gravecrawler -Rare fits with Liliana and could use a reprint. Solid in a Limited format Aurelia, the Warleader Mythic - fits the angel theme
Frontier sounds like people want to bring back extended.
We want a format that is open to more brewing than rigid Modern or Eternal formats. For the record, I have no problem with fetches so long as this format does not contain Shocks as well. The biggest problem with Modern is not that fetches are accessible but more so great mana fixing in shocks allow degenerate mana bases.
You think it's possible we get Tron? Would like to see modern framed black bordered Tron. Would also be a good place for an Ancient Stirrings reprint. Definitely needs it at its price.
Since the Modern Masters series is a draftable set, I can't see a reprint of the Urza's lands at common because is to powerfull.
Furthermore, if they reprinted them at uncommon, they would be a dead card in draft and anger anyone who opens them.
source (mm15 but same reasons for mm17) : https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2oqsoz/cmv_urzatron_wont_be_in_mm2015_because_it_is/
How would Tron would be "too powerful" at common in a set that features high profile reprints, powerful cards, and downshifts in rarity, sometimes all the way down from rare? Not only you would need to manage to draft at least one of each, but to actually draw and play all of them and also draft and draw your payoff big spells.
Do that many people honestly draft these Masters sets? It seems like very few do for a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason being price point and availability. My LGS has a pretty strong player base for being in suburban-ish Ohio; we actually had two Legacy FNMS fire these last two weeks and that's been pretty exciting. However, I still had a tough time drafting EM & MM15 because some folks just thought the markup was absurd. I suppose that an increased print run could very well change that, but as of now that's still hearsay. WoTC/Hasbro always leaves a bad taste in my mouth when they cite limited as a reason why something was/was not included in a specialty set; it just seems like a very convenient excuse. With that being said, I'd love to see new tron lands.
WOTC designed these sets specifically to be drafted and designed them with the main emphasis on drafting. The previous sets were drafted when the supply was there to do so. My LGS still has MM2013 packs but at $30/pack now... I doubt anyone would draft it there. IF the run is 5x MM2015 as expected, we will likely see significant drafting
Path to Exile really needs a reprint. I would almost expect it to be in this set. $11 a piece is ridiculous. It would be a perfect uncommon in this set and based on the fact that they have reprinted the crap out of Swords to Plowsharesrecently, I would expect a run of it as well
@Medea If you are really worried about a non-white source against Dread of Night you are already MB'ing 3xPhyrexian Revoker. While he isn't the best equipment holder, he still gets around most of BUG Leovald with SoBaM.
Give her 6 months and she will plummet. This set is going to be opened to the extreme for Masterpieces so she will be oversaturated. I would sell her while she is high. Look at Battle for Zendikar. It is still in Standard and there are a grand total of 3 cards worth more than $10 in the whole block. Cards that are driven up in price are because of scarcity. JTMS before the reprints, Voice of Resurgence, etc
I noticed no one mentioned Lost Legacy is very similar to Vendilian Clique(card taken from hand draws them a card). Clique is definitely better because it leaves a 3/1 flying body at flash speed but the fact this thing can hit instant/sorceries/enchantments is insane: Especially if the only thing that can beat you is a sweeper or particular spell.
This is nothing like clique. Clique let's you look at their hand and remove the best card. This one maybe hits something in their hand if you are lucky, and even when it does they still get to draw a card for it. It is always pure card disadvantage for the one casting the Legacy.
I really don't get why people feel this is an awesome card, isn't it pretty much a pretty bad extraction-effect?
No its not bad. You get the cards from anywhere. You name Emrakul, you get all of them no matter where they are. If there are any in hand they get to draw to replace them. You unconditionally get to take a whole playlet from their library. And on top of that it has the flexibility of letting you get rid of dead cards if need be. Its only actually bad if they have multiples in hand.
Extraction effects isn't new and this one lets your opponent draw cards for each card removed from the hand, huge downside. So why is this seen as so good?
Lost Legacy is also 3 CMC. Outside of Lobotomy, none of those cards are cheaper than 4. The draw effect a vast majority of the time is going to be 1 at most which is more than worth it to remove problem cards game 2/3 in any format. This could be ramped to cast turn 1 in some formats.
I am not sold on Grafstone or Colossus. Grafstone seems ok but uninspiring in EDH and Colossus competes in Zombie tribal with lords, to which Zombies have great lords. I'd rather play Gerarfs Messenger over it as well. Relentless Dead is a better pick for them because Modern zombies needed an effective 2 drop and now they have one. Not sold on it being $20+ but I think it settles at $8-10, maybe higher if it finds a home. I agree with the rest of these lists though. I did want and opened a Nahiri for my EDH. The rest are getting traded.
Oh look another idiot whiner that the game costs too much money and this is a money grab. Wizards has 0 obligation to reprint these cards. It does not even support the format. BE happy that they are making the cards available to a growing base. I am tired of people complaining about cards as if a Corporation whose main focus is to make money doesn't give Joe Schmo everything he wants while they lose money. WOTC needs LGS's otherwise they don't make a profit. God forbid they throw them a bone.
It has 0 to do with singles gauging and more so making sure packs hold value so buyers do not go into lottery ticket mode.
Outside of the story aspect, there is absolutely nothing Mythic about Niv-Mizzet. I think it is time for people to understand that in this set everything is based off of either secondary market value (as it should be considering this is a supplemental set) as well as draft value. I wonder about some people here sometimes get that this set was put together with these two principles in mind yet some people are calling for no mythic rarity in this set. Hilarious.
You and everyone in here are such hypocites. You act as if Wizards should just seeve your will and print Black Lotus at common and make if worth a dollar. There is a reason why this and Snappy were upgraded. It is to preserve value of the set so this doesn't ruin LGS's margins. MM2015 was a disaster and Wizards is learning from their mistakes. There is so much value in this set at Rare. I cannot for the life of me understand why everyone feels the need to complain about every little thing. Get over yourselves. In the meantime buy the damn product or not. If you don't I will.
I was at work and was short on time and wanted to make a quick reply so apologies on the misspelling of Atraxa. That being said, my comparison still stands. I bought a playset of Doubling Season about 6 months after its MM reprint for about $25 a piece. 6 months ago before Atraxa was printed, it sat around 30-35 and was slowly inching its way back up. Only after Atraxa and her popularity did it rise significantly and is not around $60 a pop
Actually Goyf a bad example as well considering it is Mythic in both reprints and in 2 sets with a limited run. Maybe a better comparison is Doubling Season which nosedived in value after its reprint only to see it spike recently because of Atarka.
Gaddock Teeg - Rare
Path to Exile - UC (in the worst need of a reprint because it sees play everywhere now a days)
Liliana of the Veil - Mythic... need to sell the set
Snapcaster Mage - Rare (not upshifted... no need) see Liliana
Damnnation - rare Badly needs a reprint
Doubling Season - Rare badly needs a reprint
Avacyn, Angel of Hope -mythic Fits Innistrad focus plus counteracts Grizzy
Cavern of Souls - Rare Needs reprint
Jin-Gitaxis, Core Auger -Mythic solid blue mythic that could use a reprint
Hellrider - Mythic I personally would like it to be rare but he was originally a mythic and let us be honest... doesn't have a ton of chase mythics. He fits
Archangel of Thune - Mythic could fill other mythic spot and is a great nod to Commander.
Past in Flames - Mythic. Red's other mythic that actually sees Modern play
Blasphemous Act -Rare underutilized but is great in limited
Gravecrawler -Rare fits with Liliana and could use a reprint. Solid in a Limited format
Aurelia, the Warleader Mythic - fits the angel theme
We want a format that is open to more brewing than rigid Modern or Eternal formats. For the record, I have no problem with fetches so long as this format does not contain Shocks as well. The biggest problem with Modern is not that fetches are accessible but more so great mana fixing in shocks allow degenerate mana bases.
WOTC designed these sets specifically to be drafted and designed them with the main emphasis on drafting. The previous sets were drafted when the supply was there to do so. My LGS still has MM2013 packs but at $30/pack now... I doubt anyone would draft it there. IF the run is 5x MM2015 as expected, we will likely see significant drafting
This is meant only for Commander. It is appropriately costed. 5 CMC for recursion very turn and on top of that a lo? Sign me up
Lost Legacy is also 3 CMC. Outside of Lobotomy, none of those cards are cheaper than 4. The draw effect a vast majority of the time is going to be 1 at most which is more than worth it to remove problem cards game 2/3 in any format. This could be ramped to cast turn 1 in some formats.