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  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
    Quote from Nyzzeh »
    Something no one has said: moment's peace. Don't know if it would see play, maybe on RUG scapeshift.
    I've proposed it quite early in the Thread. I think it would be great to have it in the format.
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  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    Quote from Ym1r »
    or would play it anyway.

    I have a foil/promo deck that cost me thousands of dollars and two years to put together. Whether I like the format or not, I'm playing that deck because it would be a complete and utter waste not to. I probably get more enjoyment out of simply looking at my opening hand than I do actually playing most rounds of Magic these days.
    I was referring to the people who voted option #3
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
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    At the same time only a very small % refuses to play the format, and as such the argument that this metagame drives people away is a bit moot at this point. However, it needs to taken into account that almost a third don't enjoy the format.


    If they have been driven away, are they gonna vote.
    They did clearly (as you did, since you voted for #5)


    For real thats your answer? I've gone on 8 Month+ breaks before. Nearly completely missed the Treasure Cruise era. If this poll happened then? I would never have seen it.

    You are more reasonable than this. If someone is completely checked out, they would not bother to vote. They would be 'step 6' on your poll. 'I dont even care about Modern at all at this point.'

    My signature says it all.
    If someone completely checked out, then there is not way for us to count them right? This poll, as I said multiple times, is about the people IN THIS FORUM and to map the interest THEY have on the format. I don't know why this is not clear.

    If people bring in arguments of how there are many players who have "completely been driven out of the format", then these people might as well come with some data to back this up, because just claiming it is not enough.

    Again, for the people in THIS forum, the result is rather clear. Attendance in events has not dropped as well, so I am not sure where this narrative is coming from, but I guess personal experience is a strong feeling.

    I believe I am quite clear about the purpose of the thread.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    Quote from idSurge »
    Quote from Ym1r »

    At the same time only a very small % refuses to play the format, and as such the argument that this metagame drives people away is a bit moot at this point. However, it needs to taken into account that almost a third don't enjoy the format.


    If they have been driven away, are they gonna vote.
    They did clearly (as you did, since you voted for #5)
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    This thread was not made to be another "state of modern" thread focusing on ban discussions.

    This is supposed to be a poll thread to map whether people enjoy the Phoenix Era of Modern, because there was a lot of discussion on the other thread about the existence of silent groups and/or majorities.

    People who vote have the opportunity to also state why they do/don't enjoy the current metagame, and that's about it I think (although of course I am not a mod, but I made the thread).

    The mods locked the other thread, and I believe for good reason, so let's not just try to take over other threads for the sake of a beaten to death discussion.

    I think this thread and the poll has shown that claiming that there are silent groups that don't discuss because they like/don't like modern and thus they are too focused playing it or too disheartened to talk about it is a bit of an invalid argument, since they exist in both camps.
    The poll has also shown that, at least for people interested enough to view (not necessarily post) in the forum, a good majority enjoys the format or would play it anyway.
    At the same time only a very small % refuses to play the format, and as such the argument that this metagame drives people away is a bit moot at this point. However, it needs to taken into account that almost a third don't enjoy the format.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Do you enjoy modern right now?
    At 135 votes we have a total of:
    Positive votes towards the format: 64.4%
    Indifferent of format status: 7.4%
    Negative towards the format: 28.2%

    Overall, a bit more than two thirds of people enjoy the format right now with its pros and cons. If these are the indications that Wizards has as well, then I think they will wait with any bans.
    28.2% is negative, which is not insignificant, but by no means extremely large. From that, only 6.7% refuse to play the format as is, which is even less of a drive to do something proactive for the format.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from Godrik1374 »
    First, people should know how to play against UR Phoenix.

    The dude who finished first this weekend with Grixis Shadow did beat UR Phoenix in final.

    He said that both gds and phoenix want the draw in that matchup as it's a battle of raw resources. Phoenix needs a critical mass of cards in hand to function.

    So.. If you are playing a control/midrange deck. Choose the draw against UR Phoenix. It'll help.

    (just a lil advice (= ) Worked for him.
    I think this is a very good point and also, I think that's why GB midrange is doing well against Phoenix.
    My opinion, play B based decks, with 4-6 discard spells and removals and you should be set for the Phoenix matchup at about 55%.

    In top 32 of GP Tampa (I think) was also a UB Faeries deck with 6 discard spells and Kalitas. Faeries have a very good Phoenix MU and with this build it is even better, I would argue at around 55-60%. You have enough removal to battle their TiTis and enough champ blockers for Phoenix with BB, until you can actually win the game. Also, the SSSs basically counter the entire deck.

    In general, if you want to beat Phoenix, go B+something. That something should be to compensate for your other MUs.
    Also, make sure you are packing some kind of mainboard GY hate, not so much for the Phoenix MU, but for dredge and because it hits other things as well. That should be Surgical if you have ways to discard it/shuffle it back (i.e. Jace, Collective Brutallity etc.) or Nihil Spellbomb.

    Play two colors so you can run 3-4 Field of Ruins to make the Tron MU a bit better pre-board and not scoop to it. It is also good to fight against Amulet.

    If you are on control (Uw or Ub) pack 3-5 sweepers.

    I believe that there is a way to battle the current meta with midrange control decks, but that way is definitely 2 colored and possibly B based.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    One of the best analyses of the UR Phoenix deck out-there by Corbin Hosler: https://twitter.com/chosler88/status/1107492622917091328?s=21&fbclid=IwAR0iRcuHOBSjOQ7n0zsEdC_-qWqXXLPuGAUBoDzM9enclwbwigAm2q1s7Pg

    Besides doomsaying and ban-preaching, this is the world we are currently living in, try and beat it Smile Phoenix is very much the best deck atm, but it is VERY far from unbeatable (and very far from Tier 0 Eldrazi levels). Just as it has been mentioned previously, people could win against Pod, or TC Delver. Find a way and beat the bird, until we see a ban (which for me is very likely at this point).
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    Quote from cfusionpm »

    Relevant post, buried on the previous page:
    Quote from cfusionpm »
    They printed a shape-shifting 2-drop Eldrazi, and suddenly Eye of Ugin was the problem.
    They printed Prized Amalgam, Insolent Neonate, and Cathartic Reunion, and suddenly Golgari Grave-Troll was the problem.
    They printed Become Immense, and suddenly Gitaxian Probe was the problem.
    They printed Creeping Chill and Arclight Phoenix, and suddenly Faithless Looting is the problem.

    Maybe they should stop printing things that get busted free or extremely cheap effects?
    Well, all these cards had minimal to zero effect in Standard, and they are pretty interesting and creative designs. So no, there is no way they will stop printing interesting cards for the sake of Modern, and that is a good thing.

    Because Modern can be fixed with a ban/unban or with the printing of specific cards. If they stop printing interesting cards neither modern nor standard will move forward. It is specific cards that were/are borderline anyway (i.e. gitaxian probe or faithless looting), that get pushed when they get a critical mass of interesting cards. These are the problems, and that is why wizards is banning them. Because even if they ban creeping chill now, there will be another GY related cards printed that will make Looting broken again. Hence you ban Looting. The design process should not stop being exploratory and creative.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)


    Same story at the other GP as well (source). Phoenix IS the deck to beat. Next events people need to figure out to hate it out, otherwise after the MC it will be banned. Sell/buy accordingly.

    Also:
    #MTGBilbao Quarterfinal results:
    -Thomas Rasmussen (UR Phoenix) defeats Gabriel Comaposada (Valakut)
    -Guillaume Matignon (UR Phoenix) def. Lauge De Place (Dredge)
    -Joseba Garcia (Dredge) def. Julien Potier (Shadow Zoo)
    -Louis-Samuel Deltour (Whir Prison) def. Jan Stadler (Dredge)
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)


    From the ChannelFireball twitter (link). These numbers are pretty alarming unfortunately. Combining with how the SCG Open looked (don't know numbers) Phoenix right now shows really high performance.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (B&R 11/03/2019)
    I have to say, that coverage of this week's Modern SCG Open has been garbage in terms of diversity viewing. We've watched a ton of Phoenix, a lot of Amulet Titan, and maybe a couple of other random decks (i.e. storm and Grixis Whir). No control or midrange decks. It is nice to watch Phoenix decks because they make for interesting gameplay, but after the 9th time, it gets a bit boring.
    Posted in: Modern
  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Discussion Thread
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    I have a hard time wrapping my head around why people think Baleful Strix is too strong... It's a 1/1 for 2 that draws a card and profitably blocks a creature.
    You kind of answered yourself here I think. It's so strong that Grixis control in legacy plays more of it rather than the strongest blue creature, even if Legacy is literally filled with blistering fast nonsense!

    Is that really too strong for Modern, a format full of cheating mana, free spells and creatures, and an absolute multitude of 2-for-1 spells and creatures. It's incredibly sad to think ANYONE would consider Baleful Strix "too powerful", and it's honestly embarrassing, given the power level of the format.

    I don't know if it is TOO strong, it would require some playtesting, but the card is definitely VERY powerful. For once, the comparison with legacy stands, because it remains good in a format where aggro strategies (which it is supposed to be at its best against) are almost non-existent. In that, where 2-for-1s are even bigger, and card draw to get the right answers is much more stronger, it still remains one of the most powerful cards (although not meta warping obviously).

    Granted that modern is 1-2 turns slower than Legacy, and that creature based decks are more prevalent, I think Strix will be MORE powerful in Modern than it is in Legacy. That might push it over the top, and actually make it format warping, as you would have to go over it with either very hard control decks that don't care about it or combo decks that don't care about blockers. If the first becomes viable because of it, great. If the latter become more prevalent, not great. So yeah, I think it's a very powerful card that cuts both ways and I am not sure if they are willing to take the risk. Whether this is an embarrassing and really sad opinion, idk.
    Posted in: Modern
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