MTG Salvation

Peteroupc and Zappa from Cairo, thanks for the responses.

We did play it out correctly but were just a little unsure about it.

I have out a Vesuvan Doppelganger with three +1/+1 counters. During my upkeep I target my opponent's Triskelion with the Doppelganger's shapeshifting ability. His Triskelion has one +1/+1 counter. In response to me targeting the Triskelion with the Doppelganger's ability, my opponent removes the counter from Triskelion to kill the Triskelion.
Our question, since the target is no longer on the battlefield does the ability of the Doppelganger "fizzle"? And if so, does it just remain the creature it was at the start of the turn?

If I’m not mistaken, YES to both.

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@FunkyDragon, thanks very helpful.
I too am trying for all the art variants. What’s killing me are the judge promos hovering around $50 each. That and the fact I’ll never be able to own the employee promos from Heroes of the Realm.

Yeah, the Treva promo is like $30+ and the Bolas one is over $70. But neither of those hold a candle to Zodiac Dragon, the $285 card that would be less than 50 cents if it ever got reprinted.

Luckily I have the Zodiac Dragon. But a half dozen or so $30+ cards adds up.

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Thanks, very helpful!

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I Hate this new set. Here have random way to get cards to hand. What? You get OG duals sort of...dumb.

I feel like because of Covid Wizards is like at all the money we got. If we cut out LGS of the picture we get to keep all that money. Let's start moving to full digital. Screw you LGS.

Oh for goodness sake! They're not going to go full digital, at least not anytime soon. The paper game is a cash cow. The fact that some digital card can randomly give you an OG dual for a game isn't what's killing LGSs. People seem to forget that on MGTO you can play with all the Reserved List cards you want. Now they port over a little of that to Arena and all the sudden it's doomsday for paper Magic. There are so many players with physical cards that would never give up the game for a digital platform. WOTC could go under tomorrow and most players I know have enough cards or access to cards to never need new product for the rest of their lives. Old School 93/94 and Pre-Modern are proof that the game can and will have life beyond WOTC.

I do however concur that WOTC could be a better ally to the LGS.

Isn't Shandalar one of the worlds we'll be visiting in the near-ish future? These "random" cards seem to be a nod to the old Micropose game. I can imagine that as a designer, digital space opens up design ideas that the paper game just couldn't support logistically. It's interesting to see that in action. I think they're being a bit conservative from what I've seen so far.

@FunkyDragon, thanks very helpful.
I too am trying for all the art variants. What’s killing me are the judge promos hovering around $50 each. That and the fact I’ll never be able to own the employee promos from Heroes of the Realm.

I've been looking into dragon cards with more than one version of the art. I don't need info on cards from 2020 and 2021.
I figured I'd list the ones I've found so far, but finding them all is tricky. I figured there'd be people who'd know about ones I hadn't found.

I know about From the Vault: Dragons
The Iconic Masters reprints and Secret Lair.
And all the Ugin/Nicol Bolas planeswalker variants.

So far:
Dragon Whelp
Shivan Dragon
Treva, the Renewer
Oros, the Avenger
Dragon Broodmother
Hypersonic Dragon
Forgestoker Dragon
Siege Dragon
Thunderbreak Regent
Eternal Dragon
Dromoka, the Eternal
Volcanic Dragon
Rorix Bladewing
Steel Hellkite
Spawn of Thraxes
Harbinger of the Hunt
Pristine Skywise
Deathbringer Regent
Skyship Stalker
Ryusei, the Falling Star(foil promo)
Glorybringer
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind

If anyone can think of any I overlooked, or are mistaken on I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.

Edited after I found a few more.

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In my opinion when MaRo says “ The digital only cards only work on digital. They aren’t cards we can make in paper”, it probably means that they literally can’t work in paper magic, pretty much like the astral cards (for reference https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/astral-cards-2009-02-12).

This is exactly what will most likely be done. Effects that are just too wonky, random, or cumbersome to do in paper Magic. As a person who plays a ton of Shandalar, the idea of digital only cards that don't really work IRL doesn't bother me in the least. Besides these would be the kinds of cards that people hate on IRL because they bring "too much variance to the game". And lord forbid that the digital and paper games have features that differentiate them from one another than just the physical attributes.

One commenter made a statement about the difficulty of transitioning from digital to paper and vice versa if there are differences between them. If that's a problem for you then maybe gaming is above your paygrade, just how pathetic do you think people are(rhetorical, please do not reply)?

It's not the end of all things people. If I had a dollar for every time someone said "X is killing the game" I'd be a rich man today.
It really doesn't matter. In the end it'll have little impact on how people play. And when the next thing that will supposedly kill the game comes along everyone will forget about this as their outrage will have a new target. Take The Walking Dead Secret Lair, no one says anything about that anymore, and all the people who claimed that they'd never play against an opponent that plays those cards has most likely played, or will play an opponent using them or other like products in the future.

Bad design, over powered crap and unbalanced metas will be far more detrimental to the health of the game than any side product.

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Any idea why they changed these rules? The hunted series and a handful of other cards (e.g. forbidden orchard, varchild's warrider) had a niche use for exploiting the fact that the originator of the tokens owned them (e.g. Gruul Charm) and with Commander Legends would have had beautiful synergy with Blim, Comedic Genius and Zedruu the Greathearted. I similarly find this change unnecessary (and more than a little obnoxious).

People were abusing these cards with Warp World.

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The exiling of four copies of Dragon's Approach from the graveyard is part of the spell's effect. To get a dragon from any resolving DA, copy or original, you have to exile it and four cards named DA from your yard for it when it resolves. Since the copy is created above the original, you may exile cards named DA for the copy first to get a dragon, cause it resolves first. And later you may exile four cards named DA and the original when that original resolves to get another dragon.

I wasn’t asking about the stacking order, I realize I worded my inquiry poorly. What I’m wanted clarification on is this, the only way to get a dragon out out with DA, copy or not is the exiling of DA and four other copies in the grave. You did answer that part, so thanks.

So so you then get to choose which result to go with or what?

The part of Dragon’s Approach that lets you barf out a dragon is not a copyable value unless you exile four copies of DA, correct?
Say I cast DA and Fork it. I exile four copies for the original spell to get a dragon, I then must exile an additional four copies to get a dragon from the Forked spell. Am I interpreting this correctly?

The way I read it, the only way to get a dragon is to exile four copies of Dragon’s Approach from your graveyard.

The art for Bahamut is so god-awful. Not how I picture him in human form. Maybe a stereotypical ideal, but I’ve always depicted/imagined his human form as an old, wizened asian looking man. That was another layer of his deception, the seemingly vulnerable elder that can kick serious butt.
This just looks like some bad anime character.

I suggest just buying the decks and familiarizing yourselves with the game before going deeper. Buying bulk lots you usually end up with a lot of garbage.
Once you understand the game a bit you’ll also have more of an idea of what you’ll need to tweak your decks.
Buying specific single cards you want is the most cost effective way to acquire what you want. It’s fun to buy a booster box or two to crack open packs, but that has a lottery aspect to it. If a bulk collection is cheap enough maybe, but like I stated above, it’ll be a lot of hot garbage.

To reiterate, buy some decks. Learn the the game. If what you have becomes stale buy more decks. Then once you’re familiar with the game branch out. It’s really difficult to explain what you’ll need/want to beginners, there’s just so much to the game.
Take my advice, and once you understand your decks come back with questions. You find that you’ll have more precise questions to ask.

I hope this helps.