I won't reconsider dkingsland without a huntzilla scum flip. Shockwave rolling over is the only thing he's said that looks like a lie to me, and it can only be so if they are scum together.
My preferred lynch order is nykllor>huntzilla>tordeck. But I would skip to huntzilla if there were two people I trusted in the proposal with him.
We can no longer put multiple suspects together as two mafia in a qt could mean game over.
Rodemy, would you like to lynch huntzilla with me?
Sure,
Hunt, the simple answer for all yoir questions is that i think you are scum.
You are only saying i am trying to mislynch you because you think i am scum.
Trust me buddy, my scumgame isn't that good. Have you read my scum games?
@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
Heh, sorry. I wasn't clear at all.
What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
You must not be reading to your full comprehension level. Hunt is clearly scum so again the odds are absolutely ZERO.
Man, does this rub me the wrong way. Not for any real game reason, but wow dude.
How about this. Instead of knocking my "reading comprehension", get some yourself. I asked a question about the 6 people who have been outside the thread. 4 people are back, and 2 dead town on the ground. I wanted to know what you and Seppel, specifically, thought about the chances of us selecting 6 town in these. Because that seems to me, like it might be a good place to ******* start looking.
But no, you instead mention two proposals who are being voted now. You even realize there aren't 6 people. I give you the benefit of the doubt, that maybe I was unclear, and you come back with this garbage?
I can't see a world where we didn't have at least one scum in these proposals. And yeah, you can spit "it's hunt" all you like, it's not an argument. It's just you saying it over and over.
So either Hunt and DK are lying (and are both scum killing shockwave), you and seppel are both lying (killing kpaca), or it's possible just you are lying (trying to kill seppel instead, knowing kpaca wasn't going to endgame). Personally, the least complex scenario is that you're the scum, unless you can prove that BOTH DK and Hunt are lying scum. Because Hunt on his own didn't pull the trigger and their story is identical.
My problem is hunts rant.
He didn't need to repeat it. (Unless someone asked for it)
And it was bad.. i don't see how that (or any iteration of that...) could be seen as town.
And to type up a rant twice? Once in qt and then again here?
I'm gonna reread and see if he mentioned he was paraphrasing, but he could have bull***** the entire thing with dk.
I don't trust that shockwave just gave up.
He was fightinf the entire way through and said he would fight hunt until they couldn't come to a solution.
Those are the facts we have before they went in.
Im re reading dk tonight to see what exactly got him towncleared.
Dkingsland, rodemy, and DV are town.
nykllor, huntzilla, and tordeck are scum.
That means the last wolf is in [seppel, dota, mindreaver]
We really need to lynch scum this proposal. I think it should be nykllor.
rodemy, get your vote off the proposal with you and two scum. I don't want to go to 5-4
Have you re read dk?
He slipped near the beggining defending someone saying they had a lack of grasp of the rules.. and the forgets that the rules state no scumchat pregame.
Sep and I killed a lurker with half a dozen posts that nobody could get a read on. You helped kill the only obvtown at that point. That is the difference, one was done because there was no other real choice the other out of self preservation. A truly scummy mindset.
@dKingsland: I'm not even sure scum team got a pre-game chat, or even a quicktopic, due to the nature of this game and this hint in the opening post: space mafia lost their guns and communicators. So no NK and no Night, why do they need a QT of their own?
I'll take my own look at Deekus. Also have to say now that the reason you presented isn't bad in the right context, but considering it now we have to find another reason to clear or condemn Deekus.
Ugh, you're right. It's right there in the rules post: no scum chat.
Goddammit.
Now I have to actually read the wall-of-text war between Deekus and Mindreaver.
Tell me again why we towncleared dk?
This is clever, but no way he missed that part of the rules.
@Seppel/@Tordeck - what are the chances that all 6 people in these proposal so far are town?
Between Shibari and kakapo there are only 5 names (NaG is in both) and seeing that Shibari has one confirmed scum and a 2nd damn near confirmed scum I would say the chances are ZERO.
Heh, sorry. I wasn't clear at all.
What are the chances that Shockwave, Huntzilla, DK, Seppel, Tordeck, and Kpaca are all town?
Shock and kpaca flipped town, so why you would mention them in this question is beyond me.
On another note... in light of Shock's flip, I'm not a fan of Mindreaver's PBP post, especially the way he painted Shock's reads as poor without any explanation.
Just because he's town, doesn't mean his reads weren't bad :). Also, in light of the flip, show me the scum motivation for that post?
I'm still re-reading a bit, because this result wasn't what I expected. But I don't think many of his "reads" (Seppel, Rodemy, Me, Megs) are even on my radar now. Tordeck is, and Hunt's involvement here is somewhat suspicious, but that's all (IMHO).
I'd like to hear from Hunt, to make sure his version of that QT jives with yours. But if shcok didn't defend himself, I'd be surprised (especially since he posted all about "I'm gonna spam the crap out of that QT thread"). I mean, it wasn't like he inactive in this thread.
My top suspects at the moment, are Tordeck and Nykllor, for those responses to the flip.
NaG's proposal did exactly what it was supposed to do, gather information.
My thought process here is something along these lines:
Town is dead, so it's POSSIBLE that some of Hunt, DK, NaG is scum.
I don't think all of them are. I'd be very surprised to have the whole scum team involved in the first kill. Especially since we don't think there was scumchat to coordinate.
I'm trying to figure out how to isolate those three, or at least try and tie them to the next proposal/flip. I've toyed with having a similar proposal to NaG's, with NaG/Hunt as the kingmaker. Or going with a Hunt/DK proposal. Something, so that we can correlate outcomes.
Dking is telling the truth. Shock had one post at the start of the thread basically saying "Hunt is scum because scum is Hunt," and then only two more posts in the whole chat. When I asked him the same thing you mentioned Mind "why be the top poster ITT only to say nothing of value here" and the guy just basically posted "shrug" and then said he wanted to focus on other games and rolled over to die. Not at all how I thought it was going to go in there, simply because I thought I would actually have to fight for my life.
My angry Seppel rant is this: I don't get how Seppel is always so wrong about me. He calls me scum when I am town and town when I am scum, but always calls me useless. This boggles my mind for this simple reason; I learned how to play Mafia this way by watching him. No joke, and I am sure a few light bulbs will go off for people, but when I started playing I liked the way that Seppel played. His combination of LOL-posting, sarcasm, and then nuggets of wisdom/hair-brained ideas was exactly the way I wanted to play. I never wanted to be the super serious perfect analyst. I grabbed his playstyle and made it my own. So I am not sure if he just doesn't like seeing his tactics in the mirror or what, but I have to tell you it is frustrating as hell to here how useless I am from the king of uselessness and the man that taught me my trade. ALSO, to add to the confusion I feel when he gets it wrong every time, I use SEPPEL'S RULES TO BEING SCUM WHEN I AM SCUM. I'm sure some of you have seen his list of rules that help newb scum adapt to playing as mafia, and I could post them if others haven't, but my major question is this. How can he call me scum incorrectly when I am town and act like him, and then when I use HIS RULES AS SCUM, he gets it wrong. LIke, EVERY TIME. It just drives me insane.
I will be busy most of the early weekend, and should be back Sunday. I will try to pop my head in here when I can during that span.
The shock town flip means I need to reevaluate my current reads.
Please tell me you didn't copy and paste that from the QT...
To be fair, i have been in.. no proposals recently.. or many at al
Which is funny, Concidering that is the first reason NaG used to say "hey, lets kill him"
Like.. super rushed, not even wanting to wait for a flip.
Hi rodemy. I see you are still not reading my posts. That is fun.
That is decidedly not the first reason, nor is it a particularly important one.
And no, I do not feel the need to wait for the flip. Neither kpaca or tordeck has mentioned nykllor a single time, and nykllor put both of them as neutral on his reads list.
Neither of their flips has any bearing on my read of nykllor.
We do not have to pass a proposal before the others come back to the thread, but there is absolutely no reason to go quiet while we wait.
What do you think of nykllor? You can read my posts about him here, here, and here since you evidently missed them.
Your quick townclear of shockwave for an rvs proposal.
Your quick push for another lynch after we sent someone to proposal
Your use of wolf instead of scum
You making me restate all these things even though you already know why.
You seem like scum to me.
Your last post you sent me to said you weren't gonna go full on "kill nyklor" because of mimdreaver being scummy.. yet here you are, going full on "kill nyklor"
@Dota: alright, at least see where the misconception came from. So let me clarify.
Someone else had just town cleared D_V. Why and who, I forget, working else I'd do it right now. The statement was to warn other players to at least be wary of him.
@Dkingsland: I'm willing to take the risk to get things moving. I think you're town, Huntz will have to prove himself town or not. If we can't decide I'll willingly take the lynch just to move things along.
Vote: Phascogale
THIS. I am going back and reading stuff and this....
there had to have been more to what happened in there.
Scum sammiches though.
Alliteration is better than your animal cruelty
Vote scumtrio
I don't like any of this.
I like scumtrio.
Let those three duke it out.
I realized earlier i said
"You only think i am mislynching you because you think i am scum"
Which is a horrible statement.
Just pointing that out before it bites menin the ass.
Hunts reactions have been horrible.
I am not answering his questions.
Sure,
Hunt, the simple answer for all yoir questions is that i think you are scum.
You are only saying i am trying to mislynch you because you think i am scum.
Trust me buddy, my scumgame isn't that good. Have you read my scum games?
My problem is hunts rant.
He didn't need to repeat it. (Unless someone asked for it)
And it was bad.. i don't see how that (or any iteration of that...) could be seen as town.
And to type up a rant twice? Once in qt and then again here?
I'm gonna reread and see if he mentioned he was paraphrasing, but he could have bull***** the entire thing with dk.
I don't trust that shockwave just gave up.
He was fightinf the entire way through and said he would fight hunt until they couldn't come to a solution.
Those are the facts we have before they went in.
Im re reading dk tonight to see what exactly got him towncleared.
Have you re read dk?
He slipped near the beggining defending someone saying they had a lack of grasp of the rules.. and the forgets that the rules state no scumchat pregame.
I dont see why we towncleared him
This is nothing but OMGUS.
Lets lynch hunt
Just you and sep eh?
I'll take this proposal.
unvote vote p.r.i.c.k
I wanna lynch hunt.
I also wanna go into a proposal.
Tell me again why we towncleared dk?
This is clever, but no way he missed that part of the rules.
Off to work.
Please re read dk
Shock and kpaca flipped town, so why you would mention them in this question is beyond me.
Strange. You didn't put yourself in this proposal, but opted for dk instead?
Rather him die than you?
Oh hayyyyy scum.
>:[ i see how you really feel.
I agree with sepple, i have been wanting to lynch NaG from the beginning and i will not back down. My gut screams scum.
However, if kakapo goes to the airlock, nyklor is surely gonna die.
Seo, why did you vote it?
Better. As in not as scummy.
Jesus i need to sleep.
Still not okay with your rush, seeing as not waiting means less votes, and not giving the surviving members of the proposal a chance to chime in.
See how that can be seen as scummy?
Try and dismiss that reasoning.
If mindreaver seems better, why are you going after nyklor.. when you said you wouldn't.
Please tell me you didn't copy and paste that from the QT...
Your quick townclear of shockwave for an rvs proposal.
Your quick push for another lynch after we sent someone to proposal
Your use of wolf instead of scum
You making me restate all these things even though you already know why.
You seem like scum to me.
Your last post you sent me to said you weren't gonna go full on "kill nyklor" because of mimdreaver being scummy.. yet here you are, going full on "kill nyklor"
THIS. I am going back and reading stuff and this....
there had to have been more to what happened in there.
Shock WAS going in swinging.
And NaG proposed it.