MTG Salvation

Yeah, that's Narset. It's got the same pauldrons she's always wearing.

You'll need to add a / to the beginning of the end spoilers. Like this, but without the spaces [ / spoiler]

That's just the header for MaRo's closing section of the article, referencing Marvel movies.

It definitely feels like they're not making a list so that when people complain about x, y, or z character not appearing, they can throw them in another set later.

Plus, legendary creatures have not appeared in sets on their world all the time. Didn't mean they were dead then, won't mean they're dead now.

EDIT: It really is just the idea of consequences, rather than demonstrable ones.

A guy ruins the marketing of a single set of 50 cards half a month in advance and he deserves to have notorious extra judicial thugs visit him personally?

Like, I want to be super clear here: a corporation dug through an incredibly small YouTube channel for any discernable information, used those to physically located someone, and sent armed men to his door to collect three boxes of cards, because legally they couldn't do anything otherwise.

"We all know it was overkill and inappropriate," so why do you seem more upset by the people responding to it, however it may be worded, than the company who did it?

Oldschoolmtg isn't a martyr or anything like that, but, like, this is a horrifying precedent. This is how far they're willing to go for the sake of 50 cards in a hyper-niche supplemental set? And the marketing of this product has such a tight grip on people's minds that they're willing to just...overlook this? That people are willing to basically say "Sure, that was excessive, but what did he expect? He had it coming. I'm more concerned with all those people annoying me, personally."

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I still don't get the mass desparking. What purpose does it serve?

Also Nissa comes across as toxic in this story. I don't know if it's intended. But shaming Chandra for using her rare (now even more rare) ability to help others, in the chaotic aftermath (heh) of a multiversal invasion, holding their relationship at gunpoint, is hella yikes.

It feels less like that, to me at least, than Chandra being incredibly oblivious.

Nissa is taking losing her spark hard.

She's been trying to protect her home since her inception as a character, and now she's possibly trapped away from it forever.

She's been used by almost every MTG villain to date, for her power and connection to the land. It has consistently been turned against her, and now she's left with all those memories of being someone else's pawn.

She tries to counteract that by being self reliant. People are helping her, when she doesn't want it, but she can't turn them away because she knows they have good intentions. Chandra's help, in particular is just a reminder of multiple things she's lost.

Chandra said, "I'm here and I'll never leave you again." And then left the next day. Planeswalking is dangerous. She might never return. Nissa felt abandoned. And if it happened so quickly, at the start of this relationship, do they even have the same ideas of what that means?

She's going through a lot, and a lot of that is conflicting, emotionally. It's less "stay with me or else," and way more "do you think of me as a partner, or just a lover?" Communicating boundaries and whatnot.

Actually, Nassari was Compleated. She's the final antagonist at the end of the Strixhaven mini-sode of March of the Machine, and is responsible for the events that led to Quintorius sparking. The fact that she seems totally fine in the leaked card is also weird.

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Let's just hope the artwork on the cards is as good (or the same as depicted here, even) as those of the box. Given the trend, the key art/advertising art will be superior to what appears on the cards themselves. Shame, since I love Kiora and Tamiyo's artwork. Are we certain they're de-sparked and dead, respectively?

Kiora is an unknown, as she literally never showed up in the story. Tamiyo is dead, but not. She was decapitated by the Wanderer, and as she was dying she cast the spell in her last iron scroll which was in essence, the story of Tamiyo's life. It brought her back as something of a spirit made of letters, so she's probably closer to a kami now than a person. If she shows up, it'll probably be as a Legendary Enchantment Creature, but unless things really change, she's definitely lost her spark.

The British Government report I'm assuming you're referring to is the RICU and Prevent, yeah? From what I can see, there seem to be a lot of groups mocking the government for it, and saying "the government thinks Tolkien is far right," when the report is actually more along the lines of "There are a significant proportion of far right groups and individuals who utilize these texts as recruitment tools, and mischaracterize the text as fitting their worldview."

Additionally, and I apologize for not making this clearer, what I wanted to see was a quote from Tolkien specifically about how the Dúnedain are this representation you keep speaking of. What you have presented is certainly an interpretation, and not even necessarily a bad one, but the way you spoke about it seemed to imply this was something that Tolkien himself expressed. Because as we both know, the man sincerely disliked allegory.

I just feel that people are getting much more caught up in the skin color of these characters as though that's the parts of the world that Tolkien cared deeply about. It's odd to me that people keep forgetting that Middle Earth was based on the entirety of Europe, and seem to forget that Europe is not, nor has ever been, a purely white continent. It's easy enough to say "I hope you see yourself in this world" and seemingly much harder to actually let people with other skin colors live in it.

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On the other hand, Aragorn and Galadriel, the two most important representatives of their respective peoples (a Northern European version of Atlantis, a blessed and chosen people meant to incarnate the virtues of Northern Europe that Tolkien himself said tried to rescue after being corrupted by Nazism; and the Firstborn Elves drawn from Norse and Germanic myth) being black is IMO way more of a misrepresentation.

Since this seems to be a recurring specific point you have, and I seem to have no luck with Googling this, where does Tolkien discuss the Dúnedain or whomever it is you're referring to as "a blessed and chosen people meant to incarnate the virtues of Northern Europe that Tolkien himself said tried to rescue after being corrupted by Nazism." Like, I can't find him talking about any specific group in the books like that.

I still don't get why this is so offensive to y'all. Is skin color deeply important to the Lord of the Rings series? Is it the sort of thing that not directly adapting fundamentally alters the very nature of the story being told? Based on some of his other writings, I think y'all are getting more upset about this than Tolkien would.

Tribal is unfortunate in that it is a type that only works as a descriptor, so it looks like a supertype when it isn't. If there were purely Tribal cards, it would be easier to grok, like how we know the Artifact in Artifact Creature isn't a supertype, but just two types slapped together.

I do feel like the rules could have been better changed by just letting non-creatures have subtypes, like they did with instant and sorceries with Arcane, but that likely would have resulted in more pushback on "Why aren't all spells given an associated subtype."

Hello again everyone. As has become something of a habit, I've gone ahead and done some list-making concerning the totality of products printed and sold this year. You can find the previous thread here. On the off-chance you don't want to look at the other thread, here's the basics: I went ahead and made a list of every unique Magic the Gathering product containing cards that Wizards of the Coast sold this year, and that we currently know they are planning to sell. If the only way to get a certain card was through a specific product (e.g. the Buy-A-Box Promo), then I included that product as its own thing. Excluded are Big Box Repack promos (as they are nigh impossible to accurately track) and promotional cards from winning or attending tournaments (because WotC doesn't directly sell those).


This is not a totality of the products, obviously, as they usually announce a swath of Secret Lairs in November, just in time for the holidays, but it's what we currently know about. Additionally, everything after "Game Night Free-For-All" is technically not released, and subsequently has the possibility, however miniscule, of changing its release date. But with that said:

As of right now, we have a total of 125 products. If you coalesce anything that could be coalesced (combine sample decks, combine theme boosters, Secret Lair bundles, etc.) the number becomes 92. As it turns out, this is a grand total that is less than last year's product count (as it currently stands), but a higher number of products that can't be bundled together somewhat arbitrarily.

But what happens to the product numbers if you remove Secret Lairs?

2015 had 54 products total; 2016 had 52; 2017 had 42; 2018 had 65; 2019 (introduction of Secret Lairs) had 80; 2020 had 68; 2021 had 90; and 2022 had 76 products (so far).

So what can we glean with all this information? Mostly that WotC is selling a lot of things

Later, I will follow this post with one concerning the number of new cards introduced the game this year, which will tell a different kind of story than the amount of product released, I believe, but I wanted to start with this since that's what I did last time.

If you have any questions, comments, or complaints, feel free to respond.

Now that they have this tech, I wonder what the odds are that they start including Acorn cards in other sets. I mean, if they have the ideas, there's no reason not to, right? Just make it one of the "outside the draft pack" cards or whatever.

I think that's ultimately my issue: if WotC is already pushing the envelope, and already doing "weird" things in Premier sets...then what's the point of this one? If they decided to make Circus World a Standard Set...how much of this would actually be that different?

I honestly think I'd enjoy it more if it wasn't labeled as an Un-Set.

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To remind easily some of the cards from unstable could go without a acorn as well


anyway this may sound nuts but stickers theme might be considerable for my flicker deck we got atleast 6 ETB/leave effects stickers and exile doesn't remove the sticker

I am aware that quite a few of the Unstable cards, and all of its base mechanics could work in Eternal. But they felt different from Magic at the time, and the mechanics of Unfinity...don't feel different from Magic now. And it's because, in part, they aren't.