Congrats on the primer status, friend! I agree that Phalanx Leader has never done it for me and was removed from my list very quickly. And Thought Vessel is a must as your hand size gets ludicrously difficult to deal with after a few value turns.
Anyways, love the list and definitely need to add Aria of Flame to mine
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Jun 28, 2019snowfox54119 posted a message on Feather, the Redeemed - Weaponised Jankmas IncarnatePosted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Jun 28, 2019Is it already that time again? WotC has been pumping out product like never before and I’m loving it! Here is my review for Core Set 20. Overall, the set has a lot of cool cards that I’m excited to play with…in other decks. This set was a little lackluster for Grenzo toys, but not every set can be a homerun. So here is my very short review for M20!Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
- Gruesome Scourger – I could see this being an amazing bomb in this list as we typically develop a pretty massive board state. Plus, planeswalker removal is always nice.
- Rapacious Dragon – Having two treasures enter the battlefield is nice, but we typically creature ETB’s as those are much more abusable, and if we’re looking for extra mana flips, we already have some of the best in Priest of Urabrask, Workhorse and Emrakul’s Hatcher (mana and creatures in one).
Let me know if there's any other cards from the set you think I missed!
Jun 6, 2019Let's review the new set! It's been a long time since I've been so excited about a set coming out, and this one gives so many new toys for us to play with. So without further ado, here's my review of Modern Horizons!Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
- Alpine Guide - Getting a free land is nice! Losing a land when he dies is not.
- Cave of Temptation - Not a bad include for those moments where Grenzo loses his +1/+1 counter. But our list already runs a heavy amount of colorless lands, so I want to be cautious about adding more.
- Endling - More combat oriented than we care for, and its mana costs cuts into Grenzo activations.
- Goblin Engineer - Personally, my MVP of the set. Finds all three of our best artifacts (Ashnod's Altar, Heartstone & Thornbite Staff) and then has built in recursion to boot. Definitely finding a place in my list.
- Pashalik Mons - Great for a goblin-centered list, but probably not for this one.
- Plague Engineer - I do like this as tech against a tribal deck in your meta. This will be added to the alternative picks list, but I don't think it's great enough to be a staple in the main list.
- Seasoned Pyromancer - This card seems very promising and will definitely require some testing. Creating multiple creatures on one flip is already great, but also potentially discarding expensive creatures in hand helps set us up for future shenanigans.
- Scrapyard Recombiner - Keep an eye out on this card. We already have a powerful construct in the deck; and as more are potentially printed, there could be some room for this guy in the future.
- Sling-Gang Lieutenant - My second favorite card in the set. Creature generator, free (limited) sac outlet, and a drain to boot.
- Warteye Witch - Another great include for goblin-centric lists. Not sure if I'll include it since I don't know what I'd remove for such a passive effect. But Scry is always the strongest mechanic in this deck, so I'll have to test it out.
- Yawgmoth, Thran Physician - I love this card from a lore perspective, and have definitely considered building a new deck just around him. I love that he's a free sac outlet with two extra effects, but I'm not sure if I'd run him in this list for one main reason; cost The life requirement can quickly become an immense price (especially if you've been using Treasonous Ogre recently), and that deters me from running it immediately.
There's my review! If you feel like I skipped over one or you have a different opinion on one of the cards above, let me know!
Also, the blessed London Mulligan has arrived. The age of Grenzo is upon us. All hail our new overlord! (seriously, it's crazy to me this deck gets such a crazy free buff before the game even starts).
May 24, 2019Posted in: Multiplayer Commander DecklistsQuote from TheWa11 »Hey Snowfox,
This is my first EDH deck. I started with a majority of your main creature list (minus Recruiter and maybe a few others) and added the budget land base. You won me over with your primer and I've had a blast playing it so far (3-0 in 1v1). Playing 4 player tomorrow night for the first time am definitely excited to see how it fares. Thanks for putting together a great primer. I typically play blue and had been working towards building Yuriko, but your intro spoke to me and I couldn't help, but feel the urge to play the slot machine of value.
I'll be tweaking the deck as I go -- can't wait to have more discussions about cards in future sets.
Welcome to the team, TheWa11! I'm always happy to hear other control players finding the joy in chaos.
Quote from Dromar the Banisher »Munitions Expert looks like a nice addition for the Goblin tribal leaning lists.
Agreed. Not great for this list, but Goblin heavy versions will definitely want this.
This set also has me immensely pumped. Goblin Engineer will definitely be included as it grabs our best artifacts easily.
The other card they just recently spoiled that will be an absolute auto-include in the deck is Sling-Gang Lieutenant. This card is absolute madness. A token generator AND a sac outlet that drains. This set has been amazing so far and I can't wait to see what else is coming. I'll be putting out my set review once the entire set is spoiled, and there are a lot more cards for me to review this time around.
May 13, 2019Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
I just started playing around with her on MTGO trying to get a list for paper. Do you have a list? I was running a spellslinger style so far, its so much fun!Quote from GrenzoEDH »Hey snowfox, did you have a Feather decklist up someplace? I'd love to take a look at what else you've brewed up. I saw darrenhabib's list and was interested in your take on it.
Sure thing, here's my list. I took some heavy inspiration from darrenhabib's list with the flicker theme, but went with a less prison/stax approach. I like my decks to be explosive (as hopefully you've seen with Grenzo), so that's how I built the list to function.
I've had a lot of good luck with it, and it's handled a lot of different match-ups like a champ. But it's still a work in progress and definitely isn't as defined as my Grenzo list yet.
You can also visit my page on tappedout if you want to see my other brews as well.
May 6, 2019snowfox54119 posted a message on [WAR] Feather the Redeemed - Legions of a Feather Flicker TogetherPosted in: Multiplayer Commander DecklistsQuote from darrenhabib »I can see that Indomitable Creativity is a very powerful card. You can destroy the most problematic opponents creatures and artifacts, and roll the dice on hopefully nothing worse comes out of it. You can even target your own artifact to hopefully upgrade. Then as you say you can convert your tokens into real cards.
My own thing is that you really have to spend all your mana on it at sorcery speed, and this is just not how I play this commander. I'm always holding up mana and reacting during opponents turns.
So I'd need to configure the deck to be more accommodating. It's like an end-boss spell.
I could see if I was still playing cards like Priest of Urabrask that I could make it work. Cloudshift turns into a ritual with Priest of Urabrask, so can pay for the RRR portion. I think I'd also like Battle Hymn as a way to fuel it.
Purphoros, God of the Forge definitely gets the job done, but I'm from the old school of magic where the less cards that are only dedicated to actual winning the better. Meaning I'm quite happy to get opponents in a pretty good lock and then just kill them with 1/1s if necessary. Sure it takes longer, but I've found perfect inevitability once you get them in a state where they cant play out anything as it'll just be removed.
The other thing is I like a little bit of subterfuge with just how under the gun opponents are once I've got an engine going. Purphoros, God of the Forge puts it right in their faces, so they know they have to deal with you exclusively. If you just gain card advantages, then opponents don't feel so compelled to deal with you directly..even though they actually really do.
I didn't realize you took Priest out of your list. I've kept him in, because with the amount of bouncing my list does, it's been helpful to have that extra push.
As for Creativity, in all of my games I tested this weekend, I was swimming in mana, and despite using up a good chunk of it to cast Creativity, I still had left over. Plus, you can bet you're getting rocks or Paradox Engine off of it which will just net you more mana for that sweet protection.
I guess we have slightly different goals in our list. I enjoy a good lockout, but like to end with a flash which is why Indomitable Creativity and Purphoros are right up my alley. Overall, love the list though and was a huge inspiration for my starting list!
May 5, 2019snowfox54119 posted a message on [WAR] Feather the Redeemed - Legions of a Feather Flicker TogetherSo if I can make a recommendation for one of my pet cards, Indomitable Creativity is crazy in this deck. Because of the token presence this deck can generate, you can easily get amazing value off of this card (plus it can always be removal in a pinch). I recently played a game where I had 10 creatures on board, cast IC with X=1 targeting Zada, Hedron Grinder, and then cast Boros Charm. Needless to say, I won that game swiftly.Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
I also run Purphoros, God of the Forge in my list due to all of the blinking and token generating. I feel like it makes a great back-up wincon and it has won me several of the matches I've played.
May 5, 2019Sorry for the delay friends! It's been a crazy couple of weeks with classes and studying for the DAT. And most of my Magic time has been brewing and playing with Feather, the Redeemed which is definitely my 2nd favorite deck to Grenzo. Anyways, here's my quick review of the War of the Spark set:Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Honestly, there's not a lot for Grenzo here. There were really only two cards I found that even interest me:
- Mayhem Devil - Another great source of ping damage. It triggers off of any sac which makes it interesting versus other sac heavy match-ups. I'm not sure what I'd replace for this though. It's definitely not overtaking Deathbringer Thoctar or Goblin Sharpshooter as death triggers are so much more reliable (and are what allow us to ping down boards). I could see the argument for Judith, the Scourge Diva, but even then, I like her +1 power enabler as well as her Diva-ness.
- Bolas's Citadel - What?!!?!? We're talking about a noncreature card in this primer? Well, yes, but not vehemently. I really like this card as a method of utilizing our top deck and not delving into our available mana for Grenzo activations. Would I ever cast this from hand? No. Would I like to have this enter the battlefield via a Goblin Welder or Kuldotha Forgemaster activation? Sure, but I'd rather have Ashnod's Altar first. So I don't know if it's worth it, but it should be fun testing out to see if I can get it online.
Those are my thoughts at least. Hopefully Modern Horizons will give us some exciting toys to play with.
Apr 11, 2019Posted in: Multiplayer Commander DecklistsJeweled Amulet? My reasoning is that it's free to play, if we only have 1 mana up we can charge it end of turn then use the mana next turn. I would replace a land for it (I'll test it next time my group gets together. Thanks again
Let me know how it goes for you. It seems a little slow to me, but I'd be open to hear about your testing.
Quote from kraus911 »Finally got some games in with my build. What a fun deck. Deathbringer Thoctar is the real deal. Much better than Blood Artist in its versatility. Had an awesome Balthor the Defiled turn where I unearthed Corpse Connoisseur to put Thoctar in the grave first, got all of my creatures back and then went off. A card I put in that's not on your list but did serious work was Rummaging Goblin. It got Anger in the graveyard early game and helped me filter through my deck to find the pieces I needed.
Thanks for the inspiration!
I imagine you'll wait until the full set is out to look at what might make it into the deck, but Mayhem Devil looks promising.
Glad to hear you've been having fun! And I completely agree with you. Deathbringer Thoctar is an absolute bro, and I love flipping him just as much as my opponent's hate seeing him. He's often their primary target for a Path to Exile since they know how problematic he can be.
As for the review, I am indeed waiting on the full spoiler. But I can say currently, I have only see two potential includes (Mayhem Devil being one of them). Overall, I've been a little disappointed, but I can't expect the list to receive a bomb every set
Mar 22, 2019Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
One game recently I got her to Ult with the blockers and removal i had available, and it was pretty much over on the spot as she gets all players creatures with her emblem <3
You've convinced me to test it out again! Even if it turns out to be too slow in the main list, I'm confident it will find a spot in my non-infinite version.
Mar 19, 2019Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Hey stu.! It definitely works off of Grenzo's activation, but I left it out for two reasons:
- It's effect isn't terribly powerful. We already have token generators off of Pitiless Plunderer and Pawn of Ulamog and their tokens translate directly into mana for more flips. So you need Ashnod's Altar to make the tomb good, and even then, I'd rather just get one of the previous two creatures I mentioned instead.
- It's a noncreature artifact. So including it has the chance of messing up flips more and since the effect isn't all that powerful in and of itself (as described above) it's not worth muddying the waters for.
I hope this explains my reasoning for its exclusion. You'll have to let me know how your first couple of games with the deck goes!
Mar 19, 2019I actually am pretty intrigued by Olivia, Mobilized for War. The biggest issue I've had with finding good discard outlets is that they miss one of the two criteria I need for them:Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
- Free Activation
- Useful Effect from the Discard
So far, Skirge Familiar has been the only one to come even remotely close to what I'm looking for, but I may play around with Olivia for a couple of reasons:
- Haste is a useful secondary effect. I can't guarantee I'll always have Anger in the graveyard, so having another source of haste for our tap creatures is definitely useful.
- The ability is free and the trigger is easy. Being able to freely and immediately discard a Deathbringer Thoctar in response to flipping a Phyrexian Delver can be a huge swing.
- The +1/+1 counter is relevant. Whether it's getting your Deathbringer Thoctar started on pinging tokens or providing the additional power to Grenzo after a Tel-Jilad Stylus protection loop, I could see that +1/+1 counter becoming clutch in certain situations.
All that to say, I think the card is definitely worth testing. Thanks for the recommendation!
I have run into similar issues and have switched between a few cards to be able to dump my hand. Currently I have had luck with Liliana, Heretical Healer and Sadistic Hypnotist as they both cover multiple applications, although I am running Teferi's Puzzle Box in my list which seems to smooth things out for me if I can land it.
I do still need to grab a foil Liliana, Heretical Healer as I feel she needs another round of testing in my own list. Discard, recursion, and she exists as one of the only planeswalkers that Grenzo can actually flip.
Yessir! Ashnod's Altar and Nim Deathmantle are already busted by themselves; but together, they enable so many combos. I probably should include this in the combo section of the primer since it's relatively easy to assemble.
Mar 12, 2019Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
I saw that! I'm always happy to see others find the joy of Grenzo.
Quote from kraus911 »
Interested in your non-infinite version, what you cut, how you still win...
Of course! For my casual version I took out all of the major combo enabling pieces and either replaced them with other cool cards or weaker versions of themselves. So essentially, the cards I took out were:
I then added:
- Phyrexian Altar - still strong, but much harder to abuse as quickly
- Balthor the Defiled - had to bring this guy back in for the consistency since the deck is slower
- Mindclaw Shaman - Since it's a more casual meta, I have a lot more fun with this card. Also, it feels really good to catch someone else's Merciless Eviction and hit all of the enchantments with their own card.
- Silent Arbiter - My casual meta has a lot of token decks
Other than these changes, the list is all the same. It does slow down the deck a bit in the sense that you don't run into the "oops, I win" scenario as often; but the pace of excitement is still the same. The win-cons now become one of the three:
- An aristocrats finish through abusing Deathbringer Thoctar/Zulaport Cutthroat
- An infinite combo that requires Phyrexian Altar, Heartstone and a creature that creates 3+ tokens (if you let me get 4 pieces out and keep them, I don't feel bad for infiniting)
- Repeated damaging effects like Gray Merchant of Asphodel or Furystoke Giant
Last game I played, I still managed to flip through most of my deck and actually found that I got to see a lot more of it since I have to dig a lot deeper for the win sometimes. So I really enjoyed these changes and my meta appreciated the ability to to play longer games as well.
Mar 11, 2019I really like Afflicted Deserter as repeatable artifact destruction. It's probably not fast enough for the current list, but I'm definitely going to add it into my more casual version (non-infinite, little slower).Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Mar 6, 2019Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
Thanks stu! Drana, Liberator of Malakir probably wouldn't fit in this list as she doesn't directly feed into any combos or further our influx of flips. However, if you're running a more aggro list for Grenzo, this could definitely work.
Quote from MtG_Maniac »Now I did come up with a couple others though. First, I'm gonna go way back and give you Marton Stromgald for his pop defense and attacking creature buffs. He's definitely included in my goblin themed version of Grenzo.
The second card we have is Lim-Dul's Paladin. He may also be a little slow and clunky, but is another way to get cards from your hand to the graveyard. I'm just mentioning him since there aren't to many options to do this...
Finally, I gotta say Herald of Leshrac is just downright filthy & evil, in this deck. I gotta get me one!
Marton Stromgald - This would definitely be another great piece in a more aggro version, but I could see the argument in buffing your defenses through the blocking trigger.
Lim-Dul's Paladin - The delayed and uncontrollable discard trigger seems a little slow. I'd recommend Skirge Familiar if you're looking for a powerful discard activation.
Herald of Leshrac - He is a lot of fun! He was included in my list a while back, but I dropped him for two reasons:
- He's a huge target and directs all attention towards you. I like how the current list doesn't attract a lot of attention to itself until it's too late, so the sudden shift in aggro from other players was a problem.
- He ends up being really slow. You have to wait until your turn to steal your first land and it doesn't untap, so an opponent can just tap their land in response to prevent you from using it. Granted, if you get him out as your first flip, it can be brutal. But typically your opponents still have their prime removal that early in the game anyways, so you can guess where it's being directed.
All that to say, Herald is a really fun card and I encourage trying him out! He just turned out to be a little less useful the more I played with him.
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