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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Yessir. I will post the list ASAP this evening or the morning (trying to post the primer now so I'm focused on that till its up but will make sure to post it within 24 hours at the latest).
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    I will say that after playing with a bunch of Elvish Visionary-type cards, they are a great tool to have against aggressive decks. Part of the issues I've had with traditional devotion in the past is with board wipes and singular creature removal...but if each dork replaces itself, those issues are mitigated. Playing a ton of them works well with the Craterhoof as well.

    I do think that if they ever print a [GG - 1/1 Draw a card] creature, that will lowkey go a long way to making a Craterhoof devotion plan more resilient. Also, I plan to play around with Frilled Mystic when RNA comes out.

    I totally agree. I've always been a fan of Visionary and many times have said I wish they would print a GG version of it (it could even be 0/2 for all I care Smile ) It would solidify an overrun deck. I like it for all of the reasons you mention and because I often find the play of 1-2-1 better than 1-3 (as spot removal becomes less damaging).

    I've liked Carven Caryatid in my Combo decks in the past for the same reason (I've tended to find that Wistful Selkie can be tough to cast on curve with four Nykthos and often one other land like Kessig Wolf Run)...the only issue with it is that it is not great with Cratherhoof. The biggest (in my opinion) killer of Devotion decks in general tend to be board wipes. We have to build a board, and green tends to be so creature heavy that even if you play a good amount of Walkers and/or enchantments you still get 3-for-1'd or more. The Cantrip-Creatures mitigate this in a big way while also playing right in to what Devotion wants to do (fill up the board with green symbols).
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Hey buddy is here (and with the weather the way it is here; he may be here for a while Smile He is working on the images (sizing them so they are small enough) and I will post in a few hours when the pics are done. It is the last item (save a few links, but that can be fixed while the Primer is live). I'll post in a couple hours when it is up.

    Quote from GarfieldKlon »
    Woops, Unburial should be in there. And no, it's not a devotion deck. It's a Who Let the Hoof out deck. And really, isn't that what most Devotion decks really aim to do anyway? :p
    I really love the crazy Brews around the Big Mana Decks. i believe somewhere in the future one of the shenanigans Decks lead to competiv version.
    Who Let the Hoof out :p Grin (the right Soundtrack for this deck)

    In a Counters Devotion matters deck , i really like to add this infinite mana Combo.
    Incubation Druid + Vigean Graftmage
    , but hell i don't know i get viable version to abuse all the puzzle pieces .

    I haven't heard a lot about that combo...but that is crazy. Something we could look into (As Incubation Druid is good by itself and playing a 1-of of the other Combo piece could be an "oops I win" play. Interesting indeed.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on Jeskai Tempo /Delver/Prowess ("The Jeskai Way" )
    Good to hear from you Mazeron. That stinks about your account getting deleted. Glad you are back though. I think Pteramander will get a lot more interest back into delver style decks. It's obviously going to go directly into the phoenix decks with ease. That deck will be pretty darn good. We have to avoid being a worse version of that deck.

    I do agree with what many of you have said lately that cantriping is where it's at right now. Faithless Looting works very well with any deck that runs on efficiency and has a lot land count. Having a one land hand is so much easier to keep when you have a first turn cantrip. With that said, my main concern is making sure I am not to open to graveyard hate. Right now I am running 2 Bedlam Reveler, 3-4 Snapcater Mage, and 1 Pteramander. This amount of graveyard reliance is right on the edge of if someone should side in hate. I don't think many opponents will side in graveyard hate, but if they do it's also not too damaging to the gameplan.

    As for Pteramander, I have tested it rather heavily. I have found the card to be exactly what we expected it to be. In a deck with a lot of "air" such as Manamorphose, Thought Scour, Gut Shot, etc, the card is very good. I think it will he a shoe in 4 of in the phoenix deck.

    I am not a thought scour or manamorphose fan and like to have control over the game a little more. In this case, Pteramander is a great "flex" card. By that I mean it's a great one or two of in the deck. It is similar to Spell Queller in that sense. Queller allows us to add additional distruption while also having an additional threat. I don't want a ton of "bad" disruption in the deck, but it fills the gaps as a one of. Pteramader also fills the gaps a little bit. I think of them as glue cards. It allows us to add another 1 drop threat to the deck that is fine as a play on turn one while also adding an additional late game threat that can finish a game out. I could see cutting a bedlem reveler and running two copies of pteramander. I know a lot of players don't like having 1 or 2 ofs in their deck so if you love this card you will have to build your deck around it.

    On the Pyromancer's Ascension topic, I don't have a lot of experience with the card. Based on theory alone it feels like a win more card. However, with the addition of ptremander along side swiftspear, it could be a really awesome 1 or 2 of or even sideboard card. I would assume any time it got online the game would end rather quickly. I don't think anyone has every tried to couple ascension with prowess/"delve" threats so it's uncharted territory. With scour and faithless looting it shouldn't take very long to have ascension on line almost immediately.

    Unfortunately, the meta right now means that Geist is not great. I still run one copy because the card is still great in a lot of matches, but with the downswing in control he isn't as necessary. I am also running one copy in the sideboard. Crackling Drake is a great sideboard card or even mainboard card for any deck that relies heavily on the graveyard. It basically nullifies their hate. I really like that idea Mazeron if you go with a scour/faithless looting style build.

    Hi Irdna. Good to hear from you. I do thing Pteramander will add a lot of new energy to izzet based spell decks and hopefully delver. We have discussed Chance for Glory a bit, but I haven't found the perfect way to do it yet. I am still working on my jeskai superfriends deck with Chance for Glory and Savor the Moment. Your sundile idea is super spicey and awesome. I can't wait to see it.

    I totally agree with you about manamorphose and scour. Looting can be flashed back so I'm ok with it. We are very similar players I think. I just don't like air or the advantage loss some of these cards offer. I like to have a bit more control over my gameplan. That's not to say these cards are bad in any way, they are obviously very good. However, they just don't fit how I like to play.

    I'm really happy that your deck is running well. I don't want to sound overly exaggerated, but I really feel like my deck is running more smoothly now than it ever has. With the addition of opt, 1-2 looting, and 1-2 pteramanders the deck really feels very consistent and powerful. I always love when new cards energize a playstyle again.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Love the Gifts decks! Very cool.

    P.S. you are right. I mentioned this a few pages back; Ruric Thar is really good right now. I’ve found the “package” of :

    Acidic Slime
    Ruric Thar
    Walking Ballista (and Polukranos)
    Scavenging Ooze

    Is a great interaction-package for us. Allows us time to go over the top if we don’t get the nut draw. I prefer to have at least 2 of each (save Polukranos) and 3 of some in my 75.

    Domri into Prime-Time is much like a Through the Breach for us...I’m quite liking the new Domri. Giving things haste is absolutely bonkers; and he draws a lot of cards. The 4-CMC is the only reason he works so well m; so thank you WOTC Smile

    Small list updates:

    - switched out Fauna Shaman for a 1-of Tireless Tracker. Just a great card with interaction with Primeval Titan.

    - could make that Tireless Tracker a Courser of Kruphix (and maybe turn Domri or one Elvish Visionarybinto a Courser to get two in the list). I agree that every list should start with Courser in it. A few of my lists weren’t great at 3-CMC; so Courser isn’t a great fit; but in 90% of situations Courser is far and away the best 3-drop choice.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Posting shortly today. A few of the pictures were large and kinda got “cut off” on the screen. The didnt look that large when i copies the from google images....I’m not great with this stuff; so it takes me time to fix it (and by that I mean find someone who knows how to fix it Smile ). It only takes up half the page now; so that’s more fine for me Smile
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on Jeskai Tempo /Delver/Prowess ("The Jeskai Way" )
    On other note, there was a sweet jeskai tokens deck that got 10th at the star city modern classic. Here is a link:

    Also Jordan Boisvert wrote another great delver article with pteramander. I love reading his articles. He is great at building tempo style delver decks. I prefer aggro control, but I learn a lot from his builds. It's worth a look. Here is a link:

    It looks like he adopted our strategy of adding Echoing Truth to the mainboard also which is awesome. I'm not saying he got it from us, but it's definitely picking up steam in the delver world. Well done guys!
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on Jeskai Tempo /Delver/Prowess ("The Jeskai Way" )
    Welcome to the forum topic Anuben and welcome to MTGSalvation. Your list is a spicy one. We love spicy lists here. It is a bit more midrange than I play, but there are several other players on here that play similar decks and will be able to help you out. I really can't see much I would change based on theory alone. Maybe the other who play more midrange style decks will be able to help. I will look into the list more and try to build it so I can help you out with any recommendations.

    WickedApp- Nice finish. Any time I have more wins than losses I'm happy with that night. Those are some sweet decks to play against. I have never played against that elves list and I haven't seen merfolk in a long time. Merfolk can be very tough given the island walk, but we have enough removal that we are likely favored. Thanks for the write-up

    StevomatUWR- Sometimes we just get unlucky. That's part of the reason the game is fun. With that said, I do think you are on the right track with two faithless looting. I am currently running two copies in my deck based on a recommendation by my brother. We noticed in testing that a decent percentage of the games I lost were due to drawing too many lands. In addition looting helps with ptremandor, snapcaster mage, and bedlam reveler. It is technically card disadvantage the first time you play it. If you flash it back you get that card back. Also if if helps one of the cards I listed it also helps. I would highly recommend try several copies. I think I am currently running 2 looting, 4 opt, and 3 serum visions.

    That chance for glory list is sick. I haven't been able to build my list yet, but I can't wait to try it out! Keep us posted.

    Now onto the Pteramander topic. I tested 3 copies in my deck and while it was good it opened the deck up to graveyard hate too much for my liking. I think a combination of swiftspear and pteramander is the way to go. I ended on three swiftspear and one pteramander. Swiftspear is better earlier and the drake is better later. a 5/5 flier for UU is a great late game creature in a deck with very few lands. I will be going with that combination for a little while. This is part of the reason I added the second faithless looting as well. Here is the list:

    I will go over the sideboard later. It hasn't really changed much except for having a second copy of my favorite card ever Geist of Saint Traft. I had to cut the one copy of Boros Charm and 1 copy of Geist of Saint Traft. This hurt a lot to do, but it was correct in the current meta. If/when control starts to grow again I will add the second or even third Geist back into the deck. I will be playing in a 4 round "fake friday night magic" tonight and will let you know what I find. "Fake Friday Night Magic" is a testing session where my group plays their chosen deck against 4 random decks out of 30 decks similar to what you would see at a FNM. It's not the same, but it does give some information.

    Welcome again to Anuben!

    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Inferno Titan sounds like the best Sneak Attack candidate for Domri...unless you're playing Valakuts.

    I played Craterhoof Reanimator on Thursday and it felt pretty good. I'll be sleeving it up again this week for a good time.

    I’m interested to hear more about this Craterhoof Reanimator deck...
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Here’s what I’ve been testing:

    Obviously the board is under construction.

    P.S. primer needs only image files! Will add them tomorrow
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    I’m kind of interested in potentially playing Domri, Chaos Bringer into Primeval Titan (in Christmasland I would play Primalcrux...which I of course will test Smile ) a la Amulet decks...not sure exactly why. Just seems powerful.

    I also like a 1-of Fauna Shaman potentially in a Domri deck (as a late game one with haste is good). I’ll try out a Domri deck later. He seems good with Doubling Season of course (hits and “ultimates” while staying with 2 loyalty...and then every end step from there on you’re making 2x 4/4 trample tokens)...the only issue is he is so Creature-centric that there is a strain playing a traditional Doubling Walkers style deck.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Primer will be up by Saturday at the latest! I removed a few things to simplify it; but was can add on with suggestions from the community.

    I will post when up.

    I’m also testing more today and will provide a detailed testing/list analysis this weekend. This will include cards like Cindervines.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on Jeskai Tempo /Delver/Prowess ("The Jeskai Way" )
    I am going to test ptremander in the slots fo Monastery Swiftspear to see how it plays. I am still on the fence, but with more copies in my deck it will be easier to see how it works. I will keep you all posted.
    Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)

    I honestly thought that the Galloping Lizrog could be a top end to a +1/+1 counter devotion deck. It would get out of hand big quickly. I'd love to hear more about your deck. Just the combo of it, a bunch of tiny creatures, 4 copies of Nissa, Voice of Zendikar and Lizrog is a great start!

    Then there is the below card...What do we think of this? I am excited to hear about the +1 counter brew :). Probably a tough hoop to jump through (when you can play Devoted Druid, etc.); but cool nonetheless.

    There are so many fun brews that can be made in Devotion (although only a few are viable). I'm so tempted to built a Grull Devotion deck with the new Domri and Primalcrux just because I love Primalcrux (old school devotion :)... I am having trouble determining where the "cut off" should be on the Primer (as many lists makes the Primer huge) but I am trying to put them in their own section with dropboxes.


    And here is the green Mythic. This one may have a shot for grindy match ups (seems super slow but would snowball)...I play Acidic Slime and Scavenging Ooze already...may have to try this out just for fun. It "feels" too slow; but may be one of those "have to try it to really get a feel for it..." cards. I love that it is a mana sink and gets out of hand within a few turns...but 5-CMC gets into some pretty good cards. I do wonder if Wolfbriar Elemental is just better (but a mana sink is a very different think from a kicker card....). Likely too slow; but Interesting nonetheless.

    Would make for a fun tribal deck with Experiment One, Scavenging Ooze, Chameleon Colossus, and Acidic Slime. Lots of value and mana sinks!

    Quote from Rendroc »
    Yeah, Cindervines is nice addition to the G/R arsenal.

    Totally agree. I will be trying it in the board immediately.


    All in all this far i think we’ve got some fun cards to brew with; but no “Devotion Staples” in this set. One potential sideboard option and one Value Walker in Creature heavy decks...don’t see anything crazy.

    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on Azorius Skyguard, Arrester's Admonition
    Quote from CurdBros »
    My brother and I designed the exact same card as arrester's adominition, however we had it at 2 CMC, not 3. I feel like any time there are spell based mechanics they almost ALWAYS over cost them from a modern point of view (I don't play a lot of standard). I was excited for Rebound and it was way overcosted on every card. I was excited for spell mastery and it stunk for the most part. I was excited for jump-start and it was underwhelming. Not all of the cards with those mechanics were bad, but non really affected modern. Now I was excited to get at least one decently costed addendum card, but again most of them seem overcosted. I figured the bounce spell would be the most "safe" card to push a bit in terms of using addendum because it doesn't fit into every deck, but I was wrong. I think my standards too high because I play modern almost solely. However, it seems like the creature based mechanics are pushed every set and the spell based mechanics get the shaft. I may just have too high of standards because I play modern delver.

    With that said, this should be a good limited card and could see some standard play.

    Sounds like you should play Standard

    I think you might be right. I did play standard for awhile during the original Innistra and Return to Ravnica days. I stopped around M14/Theros. I kind of moved onto to modern and due to time constraints (running company, family, etc). Modern worked out better for me. I also cube draft each week. I have had an itch to get back into standard lately because it looks like a great environment for an Izzet/Jeskai pleyer. I may just have to scratch the itch.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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