Oh. I asked because I was playing a game and my opponent started grabbing duals because the word Forest was in them. I allowed it, but only cause he was gonna make a fight about it, and it was a casual game. not worth it. He can get corrected in a FNM by an actual judge.
I had just wanted someone to explain to me the ruling on Nissa, Vastwood Seer as I have been out of MtG format since the Khans block. I don't understand how Nissa or other cards that fetch basic land will pull out a duel land if the keywords (in Nissa's case) are "basic" and "[insert land type here]" since none of the duel lands say basic, they simply have two land type names. Thank you.
Hey guys. Thanks for the help, comments, advice, suggestions, etc. We actually had a talk with him last night and basically told him by taking and losing the deck, he fractured his relationship with us, and we're likely to be less trusting of him with things in the future.We just really tried to explain it to him for about an hour, and then told him we were going to leave it up to him to figure out what he should do. Someone mentioned earlier about restoration, not punishment. So that's kind of the way we went down, and we'll see whether or not he really gives two tugs of a dead dog's... tail (Transmetropolitan fans, you know what I mean).
I did want to address a few things Renasce brought up:
I do, however, have to question some of your parenting decisions here. For example: If he's lost decks before, why would you let him keep this one after FNM? You said it didn't really mater before because they weren't expensive - but did you punish him then? Did you do anything to teach him about the value of someone else's stuff? I mean, to me, it sounds like you just give your kids whatever they want like replacing the Kindle at Christmas. While that's a nice sentiment, I can absolutely see why they would think money is infinite if they're effectively treated as if it is.
Also - grounding a teenager for searching up adult material? Not really relevant, but that's such an oddly puritanical view. He's a teenager. He's gonna find porn, one way or the other. His sex drive isn't gonna go away just because you say no. Did you have a talk with him on sex? Did you talk with him about the fact that porn doesn't reflect the real world? Did you tell him about safe sex? Because I can guarantee you, your kid is gonna find porn and he's gonna have sex and there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop him - all you can do is educate him. Don't be the kind of parent that only promotes abstinence and lets his/her kid ruin their own life by getting/getting someone pregnant because they didn't know well enough. And don't try and force his sex drive to go away. It won't. He'll just go to further extremes to get off. At least if he's doing it in your own home, you have some control over it.
Well, right off the bat, he wasn't "allowed to keep it" after FNM. We brought everything home in our FNM bag, and left it where it belongs until we start to prepare for the next time we go. When we talked with him last night, he pulled his regular "I'm terrible at everything I do and everyone hates me" card, and I shut that ship down by telling him that I've already made peace with all those cards being lost forever, but what pissed me off was that when we were getting ready for that FNM, he wanted to go and had no deck and I built one for him to use for that night. The agitation came from him "deciding" that it was his to use however he wanted, and in my opinion, he essentially stole it from me by taking it without telling or asking me, not to mention he's not supposed to take that stuff to school in the first place. That's a frequent issue with him; he believes that he's entitled to picking up random things around the house (like cards, decks, books, a DS, etc) and just walking away with them because he really wanted to use it like super right now, and he gets bored in five minutes and no one knows where things that we have put someplace has gone.
I'd also like to point out that, as I mentioned earlier, I didn't really support him getting another Kindle to break for Christmas. I still think that was a bad parenting decision, but I was over-ruled on that one. At least I'm with you there.
As for the last paragraph, perhaps I should explain what I did to someone who sent me a PM with some advice:
"As for the adult material... Yeah, we're liberal about that, too. We know people have urges, especially teen boys. The problem is that he tends to only have a fascination with lesbian BDSM bondage and that stuff. We've had at least three conversations with him about how that stuff in fake, creates a false and negative portrayal of sex and love, and not how to respect women in reality, but we finally just locked down every device in the house after he came in a month ago and woke us up at 2 am to tell us he stole his brother's kindle to search for it on the web, and got a warning from the FBI about it (it's totally a virus program, but I wasn't gonna tell him that). We talked to him YET AGAIN and mentioned how it's technically illegal, and he could probably get our ass thrown in jail if someone was tracking what he looked at, or if he was looking for underage stuff. Regardless, we just decided to not even have the hassle, and locked stuff down."
Basically, we've had backlash from my wife's cousin after he used there daughter's phone to look at adult material, he's stolen his brother's Kindle to look for it, and we have been very open about if he feels like he absolutely needs to see that kind of stuff, we would rather just go get him a magazine and tell him to keep it under his bed. The problem with the adult material is not that he's going through what every teenage boy does, but again it is the stealing, the lying, and the borderline obsession with only pornography that is neglectful and/or damaging to a developing young adults attitudes towards women. We have given him multiple attempts to be an adult and just come to us about it. We have told him about how he very much has a family member in jail who is there because of child porn, and how he is lucky every day he wakes up, because people in prison hate people who are there for reasons that involve children. At this point, if he wants to keep going to further extremes, then let someone else catch him and bring their own hammer down hard because I certainly get the impression he just thinks we're kidding about everything we say. And I've told him several times that people who don't know him don't care about him, so they won't give him any free passes.
I feel half bad for wanting to take Magic away for this. He's already grounded from all electronics for bad grades amongst other reasons (such as searching for "adult" material; yeah, it's THAT age). I feel like if we cut out Magic, he won't really have anything left. But maybe he does need that for a time so that he can learn self discipline and respect. I always liked that about martial arts, not that his short lived experience in that had any lasting impression...
As a GW player, I can tell you there are some great white control cards. GW generally seems to be built to either two strategies: all-out aggression attacking every turn with buffs until you win, or a slow steady build with white control and blockers until you get beastly green stuff out.
But for reals, it really is the attitude that makes me go berserk. I don't know if it's typical teenage apathy, but he generally acts like he's 6 years old. There's just never really been a real connection to him doing stuff, and consequences following. He's been a little pampered, and we do believe in giving our kids stuff we never had. However, I don't want to encourage the "expectant" attitude. When he broke his kindle, his punishment was having to wait a few months until Christmas when it got replaced (I had zero to do with that).
So, here's a bit of a story. My family likes to play MtG at FNM at our LGS, so two weeks ago, I took UW Heroic and built a BG deck for my oldest son (he's 13). The BG deck I built him was a kinda hodge-podge from what we had in our collection, but is very similar to what is popping up in Top 32 on SCG tournaments right now. Anyway, with the release of Fate Reforged, I bought some Soulflayers and Chromanticores to build a new deck idea with, wrapped inside a BGU control shell. So I asked my son to get the BG deck I built for him so we could dismantle it and try the new idea, but he has absolutely no idea where it is. He basically brick-walled me and now he thinks maybe he took it to school to play with a friend, even though we don't allow this (especially decks with a lot of "money" cards in them). I sat down with him and used TCGPlayer to tally how much everything in that deck costs: roughly $450. He's absolutely apathetic about losing the deck, and gives off an attitude that it will eventually just be found again, and he doesn't care what a big deal it is to lose a deck (not to mention ignoring our rules against taking decks to school).
I would just like some advice on what I should do, mainly to help him understand responsibility. I guess I view the situation as I built something to lend to him, he broke our rule and took it to school (maybe? Also, stealing?), and doesn't care. Anyone have similar situations or suggestions. This isn't the first deck he's lost, but there was a lot of value in it. Thanks in advance.
So, I learned a long time ago that if one casts a spell on a target, and the target somehow becomes a non-valid target, then the game "rewinds" to a point before the illegal action was performed. Which leads me to this exploitation I've been thinking of:
Say I had a Last Breath in my hand and my opponent has some random creature out in play, played as a Morph creature (so, a 2/2 whatever). If I cast my Last Breath on said Morph creature, and my opponent then decides to activate the creature's Morph ability and pay its cost and flip it so that it no longer can be a valid target (say, it's now a 5/6 creature after being Morphed), is there a check upon resolution to see if the creature is a legal target, and if not, does the game rewind back to before I cast my Last Breath, causing the Morph to be undone, and essentially allowing me to see what is under the Morph card?
Man, I am so sad I missed the meat of this thread...
My girlfriend and her kids actually got me into playing Magic with them, then I rushed headlong into FNMs and kept getting my butt kicked, but progressively learned more and more during said kickings. She didn't actually start wanting to go to FNMs until she found the deck that best matched her personality: terrible, horrible U/W control. She is a college professor, so control appeals to her desires to think and plan. I won't go into detail about the other aspects of her personality that mesh up with control player characteristics (such as taking away all your pretty toys and not letting you do anything without repercussions).
Awesome. Before I even take this deck somewhere, I know someone's going to tell me that if I pull that board trick for game, people are going to harp on the Guardian's ability not being triggered all at once.
I want a bit of clarification on the new Dredge deck combo. If you're playing a deck with Immortal Servitude and Grim Guardian based around a mostly 3 CMC enchantment creature deck, if I use the Immortal Servitude to bring out the creatures from the graveyard, can I prioritize how they hit the battlefield so that they constantly triiger the Grim Guardians effect, or will I need to have a Grim Guardian already out there?
Also, will a Nighthowler that is brought back hit the field and trigger the Grim Guardian before dying if there are no creatures in any graveyards?
Thank you!
I did want to address a few things Renasce brought up:
Well, right off the bat, he wasn't "allowed to keep it" after FNM. We brought everything home in our FNM bag, and left it where it belongs until we start to prepare for the next time we go. When we talked with him last night, he pulled his regular "I'm terrible at everything I do and everyone hates me" card, and I shut that ship down by telling him that I've already made peace with all those cards being lost forever, but what pissed me off was that when we were getting ready for that FNM, he wanted to go and had no deck and I built one for him to use for that night. The agitation came from him "deciding" that it was his to use however he wanted, and in my opinion, he essentially stole it from me by taking it without telling or asking me, not to mention he's not supposed to take that stuff to school in the first place. That's a frequent issue with him; he believes that he's entitled to picking up random things around the house (like cards, decks, books, a DS, etc) and just walking away with them because he really wanted to use it like super right now, and he gets bored in five minutes and no one knows where things that we have put someplace has gone.
I'd also like to point out that, as I mentioned earlier, I didn't really support him getting another Kindle to break for Christmas. I still think that was a bad parenting decision, but I was over-ruled on that one. At least I'm with you there.
As for the last paragraph, perhaps I should explain what I did to someone who sent me a PM with some advice:
"As for the adult material... Yeah, we're liberal about that, too. We know people have urges, especially teen boys. The problem is that he tends to only have a fascination with lesbian BDSM bondage and that stuff. We've had at least three conversations with him about how that stuff in fake, creates a false and negative portrayal of sex and love, and not how to respect women in reality, but we finally just locked down every device in the house after he came in a month ago and woke us up at 2 am to tell us he stole his brother's kindle to search for it on the web, and got a warning from the FBI about it (it's totally a virus program, but I wasn't gonna tell him that). We talked to him YET AGAIN and mentioned how it's technically illegal, and he could probably get our ass thrown in jail if someone was tracking what he looked at, or if he was looking for underage stuff. Regardless, we just decided to not even have the hassle, and locked stuff down."
Basically, we've had backlash from my wife's cousin after he used there daughter's phone to look at adult material, he's stolen his brother's Kindle to look for it, and we have been very open about if he feels like he absolutely needs to see that kind of stuff, we would rather just go get him a magazine and tell him to keep it under his bed. The problem with the adult material is not that he's going through what every teenage boy does, but again it is the stealing, the lying, and the borderline obsession with only pornography that is neglectful and/or damaging to a developing young adults attitudes towards women. We have given him multiple attempts to be an adult and just come to us about it. We have told him about how he very much has a family member in jail who is there because of child porn, and how he is lucky every day he wakes up, because people in prison hate people who are there for reasons that involve children. At this point, if he wants to keep going to further extremes, then let someone else catch him and bring their own hammer down hard because I certainly get the impression he just thinks we're kidding about everything we say. And I've told him several times that people who don't know him don't care about him, so they won't give him any free passes.
Good luck, mate. Love those colors.
But for reals, it really is the attitude that makes me go berserk. I don't know if it's typical teenage apathy, but he generally acts like he's 6 years old. There's just never really been a real connection to him doing stuff, and consequences following. He's been a little pampered, and we do believe in giving our kids stuff we never had. However, I don't want to encourage the "expectant" attitude. When he broke his kindle, his punishment was having to wait a few months until Christmas when it got replaced (I had zero to do with that).
I would just like some advice on what I should do, mainly to help him understand responsibility. I guess I view the situation as I built something to lend to him, he broke our rule and took it to school (maybe? Also, stealing?), and doesn't care. Anyone have similar situations or suggestions. This isn't the first deck he's lost, but there was a lot of value in it. Thanks in advance.
Say I had a Last Breath in my hand and my opponent has some random creature out in play, played as a Morph creature (so, a 2/2 whatever). If I cast my Last Breath on said Morph creature, and my opponent then decides to activate the creature's Morph ability and pay its cost and flip it so that it no longer can be a valid target (say, it's now a 5/6 creature after being Morphed), is there a check upon resolution to see if the creature is a legal target, and if not, does the game rewind back to before I cast my Last Breath, causing the Morph to be undone, and essentially allowing me to see what is under the Morph card?
My girlfriend and her kids actually got me into playing Magic with them, then I rushed headlong into FNMs and kept getting my butt kicked, but progressively learned more and more during said kickings. She didn't actually start wanting to go to FNMs until she found the deck that best matched her personality: terrible, horrible U/W control. She is a college professor, so control appeals to her desires to think and plan. I won't go into detail about the other aspects of her personality that mesh up with control player characteristics (such as taking away all your pretty toys and not letting you do anything without repercussions).
Also, will a Nighthowler that is brought back hit the field and trigger the Grim Guardian before dying if there are no creatures in any graveyards?