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  • posted a message on [POLL] Planeswalkers as playable generals
    Ashiok says spells and abilities your opponents control. Maralen is your effect, not theirs.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Painter's Servant
    The only similar card is really Mycosynth Lattice, who costs twice as much and instead of accidentally breaking colored repeated cards it just shuts them off, and makes all artifact removal better.

    They’re all in good fun when that’s the desired effect of the interactions
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Painter's Servant
    Because running Jokulhaups is one thing and being 'forced' to cast one is another, specially when that isn't even the intent of the card in your deck (also Jokulhaups spares enchantments so you can come up on top of it). Living lands interacts badly with less cards than Servant, ie basically just boardwipes and Linvala.

    Thirty Saprolings (which seems like a very likely undercount) into puprophorus or repeatably discarding peoples hands isn't particularly sweet.


    Agreed. I would want to know what situation we're worried about here, exactly.


    Anyways dunno why you even bothered asking that since you've constantly dismissed everything that doesn't agree with you, but that's to be expected since it's what you've been doing across several different threads.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Painter's Servant
    Oh, totally forgot that Painter’s also works as a second Darkest Hour for Teysa.

    Edit 1 Turns Jaya into a reusable vindicate too.

    Edit 2 and interacts with most if not all of the non elder Shard legendary dragons.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Painter's Servant
    Because if there’s a servant in play that didnt name my color and I’m forced to play my boardwipe (read Ugin, Dust, or [email protected]) because I’ll lose otherwise it’s going to be a *****ty time, probably for everyone involved.

    Everything else I mentioned is a bad interaction for everyone who isnt the player gaining advantage because of someone elses Servant.

    I’ve played Mycosynth Lattice to lock people out and I’ve played against Evening x Aura Thief. They’re all in good fun when that’s the desired effect of the interactions... and also not the point since the point is that the issue is the interaction with the cards other people play, not your own two card combos.

    The issue obviously isn’t people casting the painter’s into any of those cards, that would be painter’s casters fault. The problem is casting those cards into a field that already has a Painter’s.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Painter's Servant
    Which is ironic since Niv Mizzet is probably the only deck that would even want to run a Servant lol
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on [POLL] Planeswalkers as playable generals
    If anything these new walkers are more reason for why they shouldnt be allowed, lol.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Painter's Servant
    Did you utterly skip the part where I say all those things are fine when YOU the controller of Painters play them?
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  • posted a message on Painter's Servant
    Again, pretty sure the issue has to do with how many cards work differently with Painters.

    -Iona locks everyone out instead one color.
    -Ugin Spirit Dragon wipes lands with -0.
    -All is Dust wipes the entire board instead of (mostly) non-artifacts.
    -Mother of Runes completely protects creatures instead of partially.
    -Mana Maze becomes Arcane Laboratory.
    -Akroma’s Memorial (and the Akromas) adds unblockable and shroud.
    -Pyroblast/REB turn into the best counters and spot removals in the game, instead of good but narrow answers.
    -The “Spells of x color cost {1} stones” become one sided Helms of Awakenings.

    And theres probably more cards that see play that deal with color and I’m forgetting about.
    The issue is not necessarily you playing Painters with any of these cards, if it was all two card combos would be banned, it’s that someone might play one of them into a painters because they have to (the boardwipes) or because suddenly its very advantageous to them, and thus ruin the game ‘accidentally’.

    The only similar card is really Mycosynth Lattice, who costs twice as much amd instead of accidentally breaking colored repated cards it just shuts them off, and makes all artifact removal better.

    Someone mentioned Enchanted Evening, but that one would only make enchantment removal better... unless someone epse was randomly running an Aura Thief in their deck for no real reason.

    If Iona was the only issue, Painters would likely not be banned, she’s just the first thing that people think of.

    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Discussion Thread for the Rules Committee Commander Advisory Group
    Except you aren’t done against Avacyn (unlike iona w/o colorless answers if she picked your color). You can keep playing the game and doing things, you just can’t destroy it or attack into her (probably).
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Discussion Thread for the Rules Committee Commander Advisory Group
    Quote from JqlGirl »

    My disdain for Avacyn comes from the same place as my disdain for Iona in that she can basically lock out some mono-color decks from ever doing anything meaningful against that player again. How does mono-red get rid of Avacyn? They can't. Avacyn leads to unfun game states and limits interaction to the point where I feel that she's bad for the format.

    Various ways to deal with avacyn in monored, mostly from the top of my head.

    Chaos warp, warp world, stingscourger, decree of annihilation, aligned hedron network, brittle effigy, duplicant, helvault, and scour from existance.

    Edit: nearly forgot about All is Dust
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Wishes
    Yeah, obviously it isn't an improvement at all which was my point a few posts back, but Sheldon just said:
    The main baggage sideboards carry for me, at least personally, is that they are inseparable from competitive Magic

    Which to me says that sideboards not existing doesn't have anything to do inherently with the wish cards. So basically what I want to clear up is if:
    A) The RC just doesn't want wishes to function as intended because it'd be annoying, which is fine by me
    B) The RC would probably allow them if side/wishboards actually existed, but they don't so wishes don't work
    C) Something else entirely.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Wishes
    Quote from Sheldon »
    The main baggage sideboards carry for me, at least personally, is that they are inseparable from competitive Magic, and that's not a weight we care to load Commander with. The association is enough to want to keep the streams from crossing.


    What about just having them work as written, like what the person who revived the thread was asking?

    In terms of sideboard, on their own they don’t really make sense in commander regardless of competition. Technically it’s a “best of 1” format since there aren't any rounds. That said, nothing stops people from having a pack of cards on hand and switching up cards based on what they just played against. I’ll sometimes do that if I’m somewhere new and notice there’s some literally dead cards in my deck, but that’s about it.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Gifts Ungiven
    Found it, turns out it was an SCG article and not a post here, whoops.

    Quote from = Toby aka Papa_Funk »

    Hien Nguyen asks, "I would like the Rules Committee to explicitly state their criteria for banning cards; and for the RC to be consistent with bannings. If you want it phrased as a question: Why are some cards banned but other similar cards aren't? (such Gifts Ungiven is banned, but Intuition isn't)."

    Card banning is binary (it's banned or it isn't), but cards themselves aren't so cooperative. They fall on a continuum that stretches from completely safe to never ever. At some point along that continuum, there's a ban threshold. No matter where you set that, there will always be cards that fall just on one side or the other, and cards that may be superficially similar have enough differences to affect their placement. So while it might appear that we ban a card while endorsing another, that's just the binary overlay.

    I'm always interested by the choice of "inconsistent" as an epithet. There isn't a science or a formal logic to be inconsistent with. (If one day we ban a card that has an identical-except-in-name alternative, then objection withdrawn.)

    In the case of Gifts and Intuition, I'll note that the highlander nature of Commander makes Intuition weaker than it is in normal Magic play (where the most common scenario is to get three of the same card), while that same nature renders Gifts' drawback irrelevant. I believe Gifts is stronger in Commander, and they end up on different sides of the line.


    And link: http://www.starcitygames.com/article/36937_Ask-The-Commander-Rules-Committee-Other-Than-Me.html

    Anyways, yeah, intution is also a 3 card tutor, but a) it's always a three card tutor, and b) Gifts puts two cards in your hand vs just one, which is automatically a lot stronger. If it's just combos that they're worried about then Gifts could easily come off, but if it's just the CA then nothing has changed in it's texts to change it.
    Personally I don't think it's a big deal, reanimator decks don't even have that many good cards to set up their things to begin with, and combo players gonna combo. I think it just depends on how the RC is looking at it.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Gifts Ungiven
    The fact that -you- use Intuition fairly is pretty meaningless.

    Quick examples with Kess
    Intuition for:
    Mystical tutor
    Doomsday
    Gush

    If Mystical, cast it during upkeep to put a cantrip on the top of the deck, use kess to cast doomsday, break pile with cantrip win.

    If Gush, cast doomsday with Kess, break pile with Gush, win.

    If doomsday, cast mystical turor with kess during upkeep for a cantrip, cast doomsday, break pile with cantrip, win.

    With Kess and a cantrip in hand you can also do
    Tainted Consultation/Pact
    Unearth
    Laboratory Maniac.

    If tainted, exile your deck, unearth labman with kess, cast cantrip, win.

    If unearth, unearth labman, cast tainted from grave, cantrip, win.

    If labman, cast labman, cast tainted from grave, cast cantrip, win.

    In general you can do X card you need with Yawgwin, Regrowth, Noxious Revival, Past in Flames, ect piles to guarantee your card, and depending on what that card is, win.

    With Gifts you can do any pile and look up a Pact, FoW, Swan Song or any other interaction and now the combo is harder to disrupt or easier to cast no matter what pile you make.

    Anyways, on wether or not it should be banned, most piles it makes can already be made with intuition, so banning it for combo seems silly and like hulk, it doesn’t combo by accident.
    If it’s because it creates a big resource inbalance for four mana at instant speed, on the other hand, it should probably stay banned. For most graveyard decks the piles themselves won’t matter much and tutoring for that many cards will be back breaking.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
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