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The Limited Archetypes of Dominaria
  • posted a message on Coalition Victory
    Why is this thread even a thing still? Like what is even the argument anymore?

    That it shoupd be unbanned? Well, the RC already said theres no plans of it coming out of the list.

    That it's just like any card that combos with the commander? Yes and no. Just like curiosity and niv mizzet (for example) it just needs the natural progression of the game to win: play lands, get your commander out, use the card. Buuut.... on the one hand Curiosity (and most of these other combos) only work with one commander, while CV works with all 5c commanders. And on the other unless everyone is already mostly dead you still need some way to not deckout as you draw your entire library, while CV needs nothing else.

    That it's a fun card? People groan at expropriate and actually has effects, some people might be like "oh, cool card!" once or twice, but the generally reaction will probably start from "oh" to various degrees of annoyance.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Should sideboards be allowed in the official rules?
    I'm in different to whether or not wishboards are allowed. I dont think thry add much if anything for most players, i just think the color hoser feer seems overblown.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Should sideboards be allowed in the official rules?
    One the one hand, even if that happened people would probably notice how spending 6 mana to mildly annoy people is actually pretty bad, and on the other I'm pretty sure that "that kind of player isn't who the RC ban for".
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Should sideboards be allowed in the official rules?
    But that's exactly what a side deck is for, cards that might be dead against certain match ups. Run stuff like Shatter Spree, Spreading Seas, Zacama if no ome is playing control, glacial chasm against aggro, so on so forth. It just feels really unlikely that people are going to jam them full of color hate cards, that's an absurdly huge waste of resources most of the time.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Brawl, Planeswalkers and Commander

    EDIT 2: 122 people is also far too small of a number for a community with thousands of players. It is at best anecdotal, like if I polled 4 people out of a possible 100 in a building.


    If your study looks at multiple buildings in a city you don't really need more than 4 people in each building you sample, and you aren't sampling every building either.

    Anyways, no online survey is representative of anything due to a variety of factors. There's pretty much no way to get perfectly accurate results of what people in EDH care about because even if WotC included a little survey in each EDH product: 1) not everyone will buy the product, 2) not everyone who buys it will send it back; so that will create a skew towards the type of player who does buy the product and does send back the survey.

    But honestly, with the amount of people who look at this sites EDH Subforums and that 4,748 people looked at the thread and didn't feel strongly enough about the results as to add more votes, it's a pretty good assumption that most people either agree with the current results on the poll or don't care about it. And if most people really neither want them nor care one way or the other then what's the point of changing the rules?

    Also, while adding PWs as commanders *might* be fun, with no BaaC list the normal banlist will just get longer because of certain PWs being banned (either current ones or future printings) even though they're perfectly fine within the other 99, and that's not a great thing.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Bad River in UR Deck?
    As long as it doesn't have the black mana symbol, yes
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Can Silumgar Sorcerer exploit himself?
    Silumgar Sorc is at best a Cancel, which is already pretty bad. It's alright exclusively in Inalla where... it's literally a mystic snake.

    Mystic Snake is not in "semi-rare" colors in EDH, U/G/x is fairly popular due to being one of the strongest color combination.

    Glen Elendra is a double counter that needs to be answered twice to get rid of it... which also flies which can be relevant, so it's also very good.

    False, he can be used with Inalla. The copy still ETBs even if you decide to get rid of it due to legendary rule, so it can bounce up to two things, itself included so you can keep reusing him.

    Lastly, Daring Apprentice can be nifty in Inalla since you can play him first before trying to combo off or in order to protect something else. I would never run it, but it's not a horrible choice if you lack better counters. He's actually potentially better than the sorc since it can counter two things, albeit it's telegraphed.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Coalition Victory
    > Would a strictly better version that doesn't even require the creature part to be present on cast need to be banned?

    So basically now you can only hope it either gets countered or you can destroy 1-x lands in hopes that the land type condition can't be met.
    Are you serious? Lol.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Commander Black Multiplayer Competitive ..... Is it possible to do it?
    Along the lines of what was mentioned earlier, storming off is probably one of the better gameplans for mono black in cEDH.

    Here's a link to probably one of the better lists. The main goal is to use Sidisi to rush out a Razaketh and use him along side cheap creatures in order to boost your storm count while grabbing the pieces you need.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Should sideboards be allowed in the official rules?
    Mechanically it doesn't really seem that useful outside of not playing consistently in a single meta. Due to the restrictions of the wishes you're likely going to limit yourself to two, maybe three, wishes. So if you absolutely need those cards to deal with the current meta you're gonna need to expend resources to get the wish, to then cast it, and then use your card. Much more efficient to jam them mainboard if you know they're good in your group.

    I know some people say that they'll get used for land color hate, but that seems pretty bad. It will probably only seriously damage one player, but then you still have two others to deal with. If they were legal the only card i can really think of off the top of my head that I would run there instead of main board is Glacial Chasm, but i also play control and just try to counter anything that seems problematic, kek.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on The (Multiplayer) Mulligan Rule Discussion Thread
    Partial was pretty meh. It made it so that deckbuilding didn't really matter.
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
  • posted a message on Sidisi, Brood Tyrant: Zombie horde and shenanigans! (Competitive, Budget, and Zombie Tribal - 3 versions!)
    Quote from KitsuLeif »
    I also think I made a mistake regarding the sorting of triggers, but I'm unsure:
    I resurrected World Shaper with Atzal, Cave of Eternity, sacrificed it in Altar of Dementia to mill myself for three (I had a lot of lands in the grave at that time) and milled Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre. I wasn't sure and didn't want to cheat, so I didn't get any lands back and shuffled my graveyard into my library. But now that I think about it, I believe I could have gotten the lands back into play before the shuffling happened.

    Since World Shapers is a death trigger and sacrificing for the altar is a cost you can't mill 3 first, World Shapers ability would resolve before the altar. You would get all the lands currently in the grave, then mill 3, then resolve the Ulamog trigger that popped up.

    Only time you decide the order of triggers is when they happen simultaneously, for example if in those three cards you killed both a Narcomeba and an Ulamog. In this case you could either stack narcomeba on top of Ulamog to get into play before shuffling, or vice-versa to send narcomeba back to the deck.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Sidisi, Brood Tyrant: Zombie horde and shenanigans! (Competitive, Budget, and Zombie Tribal - 3 versions!)
    Quote from DementedKirby »
    The Obzedat player was locked out of using his commander when the Damia player cast Trickbind in response to Obzedat returning from exile. So Obzedat stayed in exile. Without ever changing zones, it couldn't return to the command zone. Once that happened, I knew my threat was going to be Damia.


    Pretty sure Obzedat is like Norin where when you exile him you can instead send him to the command zone and his trigger will put him back in play as long as he doesn't change zones again.
    Posted in: Multiplayer Commander Decklists
  • posted a message on Turn 0 kills with Leyline
    Similar to what someone else posted:

    Leyline
    Lotus Petal
    Mana Crypt
    Show and Tell
    Omniscience
    Any 'to hand' tutor.

    Use the rocks to fuel Show and Tell.
    Show and Tell into Omniscience
    Cast the tutor searching for another 'to hand' tutor.
    Use the second tutor to grab Seasons Past.
    Use Seasons Past to grab the tutors.
    Use one tutor to fetch Praetor's Grasp and the other to get Seasons Past again.
    Then each loop of Tutor -> Seasons Past lets you exile one card from an opponents library while searching for one in your own. Deck everyone out while storming off.


    But as also mentioned above, a lot easier, albeit still very unlikely, with P.Hulk.
    Posted in: Commander (EDH)
  • posted a message on Idea for a modular banlist
    Quote from Onering »
    I'm not sure what changes cEDH players would be looking for beyond perhaps the fast mana. My regular playgroup is more casual, and when you play online you rarely get a mix where everyone is running 100% decks, so I don't have enough experience actually playing at that level to have any suggestions, and I mostly follow ban list discussions from a casual perspective or 1v1 sub formats (which don't really translate well into multiplayer). What ideas do you have?


    Banning fast mana would probably be a bad idea for cEDH as it would push decks into green even more. Their style of play seems pretty healthy using the RCs banlist as a variety of decks and gameplans exist (except pure Agro which is bad even in casual because 90-120 life is a lot).
    Posted in: Commander Rules Discussion Forum
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