I find it almost impossible that someone can be that unaware of how marketing works.Like did you never hear of the term fan service?
While true, it is an unbased claim as to her intentions, and is utterly insulting to her fanbase as a whole, and intelligence of any reasonable person, including you. He is playing you for an idiot by making this claim, because it requires you to simply accept his statement as the gospel truth on her intentions without providing a shred of reason to believe its true.
While "sex sells" is a thing, you would have to be willfully obtuse if you think that people are slavishly swayed by sexuality in such a way. It also speaks nothing to the heterosexual women whom financially support her, the adults and friends whom financially support her, and plenty of other people who just enjoy the cosplay scene. He is relying on you to simply accept it as the case that she is a predator preying on stupid male teenagers who can't think beyond their genitals. Let that bloody well sink in.
Further, it has nothing at all to do with the conversation, because it has nothing at all to do with why Christine quit. She quit because of harassment she received from playing Flip It or Rip it, which included death threats and the like for daring to destroy Magic cards. She received incredibly lewd comments that well above and beyond simple comments on her appearance.
To bring up this utterly silly notion that Cosplayers are predators preying on young boys who can't control their sexual desires plays right into the same falatious thinking that Jeremy and his ilk accuse SJWs of doing. It is present Young Males as being incapable of controlling their sexuality, and being easily manipulated due to their stupidity and base inability to control their sexual desires, and need to offload sexual aggression.
What you are doing is falling for his diversion tactics. He very clearly knows he's an ass who doesn't have a leg to stand on, at all, and very likely will be facing repercussions for being an ass. Rather than admit culpability in the situation, however, he is pointed you down a road of where the REAL problem is. Don't bother looking at the fact that he is a self-admitted ass who insults people on the daily, whose beef with Christine stems from personal issues involving their shared history, and that he has over the last few years made unprovoked attacks against her because of said personal issues. No, you have to go look at the REAL problem of Women being Sexual Predators for preying on stupid young men who can't control their sexuality.
As far as rip it or flip it, i didnt even know that was a thing until yesterday and I guess I always knew people get mad about people ripping up magic cards but I never got it.
Do you have a source for that?
Yes, it was about that. Go look at the early social media threads on it.
It wasn't until well after this whole thing got rolling that Jeremy & Co. starting changing the narrative on the subject to be that she is a whiny cosplayer who doesn't like that people say mean things about her or sexualizing her. Neither of which has anything to do with the issue. The issue is that Jeremy has a lot of beef with Wedge, TCC, and Sprankle for being snubbed from an event a few years ago. Rather than realize that the reason he was snubbed is because he is an ass that people didn't want to be associated with, he decided that it was persecuting him for his beliefs. So he went off the damn deep end, doubled down on his persecution complex, and became an even larger ass.
Again do you have a source, Im not being pendantic I have watched the Professors video, Magic Mics and then his video, and they all seem to focus on that exchange and then some his other stuff regarding other people.
I have to do all the work around here, don't I? Anyway, there weren't any articles written about this as the conversation quickly morphed by outside forces, but read the first major reddit thread. To make it easy, just ctrl+F "Flip it or Rip it". There are enough posts to get the point across.
And honestly its sounds the same as what people say about Ben Shapiro, is Ben Shapiro off the deep end?
I honestly have never seen, nor heard, anything by Shapiro that I can recall. I won't comment on someone I honestly can't recall any anecdote about. That said, I despise the current trend of passing off political commentator as news or some vital truth, rather than for what it is: opinion. I have a fundamental lack of respect for any regular person labled as "commentator", regardless of political leaning.
On to the point, Jeremy is off the deep the end for complete other reasons than politics. All of this nonsense stems from him having problems with Wedge two years ago, and the drama that unfolded because of it. He hates TCC and Christine because they are friends with Wedge, to be frank. He tries to sell it to his audience as some greater concern, but all of this is just petty bullocks because Wedge got him dis invited from an mtg Youtuber convention because Wedge didn't like him, and threatened to pull out of it. I am by no means supporting Wedge, mind you; he did not and has not been much better, if at all. That said, Jeremy has decided that the best way to cope with this snubbing is to act more and more like an ass over the years, creating more and more problems. He attacks anybody who works with Wedge or is friends with him largely out of vindictive spite, and pettles it as something else.
If you think he is "telling it like it is" to Wedge and Co. because of PC nonsense, you are being played by a truly petty individual who has a history of weaponizing his followers in a long-standing feud with another youtuber. While Wedge is hardly blameless in this, the fact is Jeremy has decided to go on an endless crusade against him and everyone whom associates with him out of pure spite that he dresses up as political witch huntery. The problem is, he has crossed several lines in this crusade, and has decided that the best way to deal with this feud is as a miserable edgelord. Acting like a miserable edgelord, regardless of your reasons, comes with consequences and repercussions.
To be frank, I don't think Jeremy is a massive misogynistic ultra-conservative women-hating Nazi. I think he peddles the vapid Anti-SJW talking points in order to sell the notion that he is telling it like it is, when in reality it's just deflection for years of feuding with other MTG youtubers because of personal problems.
Uhhh what? You think the idea that maybe an attractive women who dresses up revealing might be taking advantage of romantically challenge magic players is a tin foil conspiracy?
Yes, it is a tinfoil hat conspiracy. My god, this has seriously gone off the rails...
I find it almost impossible that someone can be that unaware of how marketing works.Like did you never hear of the term fan service?
While true, it is an unbased claim as to her intentions, and is utterly insulting to her fanbase as a whole, and intelligence of any reasonable person, including you. He is playing you for an idiot by making this claim, because it requires you to simply accept his statement as the gospel truth on her intentions without providing a shred of reason to believe its true.
While "sex sells" is a thing, you would have to be willfully obtuse if you think that people are slavishly swayed by sexuality in such a way. It also speaks nothing to the heterosexual women whom financially support her, the adults and friends whom financially support her, and plenty of other people who just enjoy the cosplay scene. He is relying on you to simply accept it as the case that she is a predator preying on stupid male teenagers who can't think beyond their genitals. Let that bloody well sink in.
Further, it has nothing at all to do with the conversation, because it has nothing at all to do with why Christine quit. She quit because of harassment she received from playing Flip It or Rip it, which included death threats and the like for daring to destroy Magic cards. She received incredibly lewd comments that well above and beyond simple comments on her appearance.
To bring up this utterly silly notion that Cosplayers are predators preying on young boys who can't control their sexual desires plays right into the same falatious thinking that Jeremy and his ilk accuse SJWs of doing. It is present Young Males as being incapable of controlling their sexuality, and being easily manipulated due to their stupidity and base inability to control their sexual desires, and need to offload sexual aggression.
What you are doing is falling for his diversion tactics. He very clearly knows he's an ass who doesn't have a leg to stand on, at all, and very likely will be facing repercussions for being an ass. Rather than admit culpability in the situation, however, he is pointed you down a road of where the REAL problem is. Don't bother looking at the fact that he is a self-admitted ass who insults people on the daily, whose beef with Christine stems from personal issues involving their shared history, and that he has over the last few years made unprovoked attacks against her because of said personal issues. No, you have to go look at the REAL problem of Women being Sexual Predators for preying on stupid young men who can't control their sexuality.
As far as rip it or flip it, i didnt even know that was a thing until yesterday and I guess I always knew people get mad about people ripping up magic cards but I never got it.
Do you have a source for that?
Yes, it was about that. Go look at the early social media threads on it.
It wasn't until well after this whole thing got rolling that Jeremy & Co. started changing the narrative on the subject to be that she is a whiny cosplayer who doesn't like that people say mean things about her or sexualizing her. Neither of which has anything to do with the issue. The issue is that Jeremy has a lot of beef with Wedge, TCC, and Sprankle for being snubbed from an event a few years ago. Rather than realize that the reason he was snubbed is because he is an ass that people didn't want to be associated with, he decided that it was persecuting him for his beliefs. So he went off the damn deep end, doubled down on his persecution complex, and became an even larger ass.
Ok I read up on this. I only have one comment on the matter.
Citation needed. I’m not taking the listen and believe bull*****. Unless this girl has some proof this Jeremy dork harassed her then she’s full of *****. Also dude can’t be held responsible for the actions of others.
Ps critique isn’t harassment.
Yes, because this is "critique", and not intentional denigration of her (by name, no less!), and involving her in his Anti-Female-Spike crusade for no damn reason at all:
At the core of it Jeremy is critically flawed in his thinking regarding choice of outfit of cosplayers and it's likely a result of the sub-culture he is a part of. When I see a cosplayer in a skimpy outfit I'm mostly being reminded of my fine arts class when we were dealing with drawing nude models. It's not about the sex (well, the original character was probably about the sex appeal), but rather creating a faithful recreation of the character in real life. Jeremy might as well be complaining about every single Felicia, Morigan Aesland, Bayonetta, Mai Shiranui, etc cosplayer. If he wants to be against gaming companies like EA putting runway models up at E3 or something to draw more viewership I'm fine with that, but that isn't his angle.
Look, Sex Sells is a thing. It's all over the place. People like to look at other people they find sexually attractice, and yes occasionally have sexual fantasies about others. This is all normal human behavior, regardless of who you are.
To imply, however, that Young Males are slavishly devoted to this, and are unwittingly being preyed upon by predatory Cosplayers, is asinine. Not only is it patently absurd and reinforces the concept of males (particularly male gamers) being idiot sex obsessed neckbeards, it is utterly unfair as you said in this case. Very little of what Sprankle has could even remotely be interpretted as overtly sexual in nature; her promotional material is hardly what I would call sexual in nature. I highly doubt, further, that the people sending overly graphic lewd messages are her actual supporters, and are likely idiot trolls being idiots for the lulz.
I have yet to see Sprankle ever criticize a single person for saying she was attractive or what not; the only comment I have seen is her criticize a truly gross messages that was obviously meant to make her uncomfortable, likely by a troll.
So has anyone addressed the concern about cos players behaving in a predatory manner to young men financially?
Because Im skimming through all of the responses and they seem to focus on harassment but not refuting that point.
That's because it's not a point that passes the smell test in any version of reality. In fact, it may be the most absurd idea proffered in this entire thread. You sir, are a visionary when it comes to nonsensical tinfoil hattery.
Did Ms. Sprankle promise any kind of sexual remuneration in any of her Patreon videos? Nope. She sure didn't, so why am I wasting time responding to such an asinine idea, despite the fact that it is so stupid that my IQ may have dropped a few notches for having read it? I really don't know; perhaps I'm a masochist.
Uhhh what? You think the idea that maybe an attractive women who dresses up revealing might be taking advantage of romantically challenge magic players is a tin foil conspiracy?
Yes, it is a tinfoil hat conspiracy. My god, this has seriously gone off the rails...
I find it almost impossible that someone can be that unaware of how marketing works.Like did you never hear of the term fan service?
While true, it is an unbased claim as to her intentions, and is utterly insulting to her fanbase as a whole, and intelligence of any reasonable person, including you. He is playing you for an idiot by making this claim, because it requires you to simply accept his statement as the gospel truth on her intentions without providing a shred of reason to believe its true.
While "sex sells" is a thing, you would have to be willfully obtuse if you think that people are slavishly swayed by sexuality in such a way. It also speaks nothing to the heterosexual women whom financially support her, the adults and friends whom financially support her, and plenty of other people who just enjoy the cosplay scene. He is relying on you to simply accept it as the case that she is a predator preying on stupid male teenagers who can't think beyond their genitals. Let that bloody well sink in.
Further, it has nothing at all to do with the conversation, because it has nothing at all to do with why Christine quit. She quit because of harassment she received from playing Flip It or Rip it, which included death threats and the like for daring to destroy Magic cards. She received incredibly lewd comments that well above and beyond simple comments on her appearance.
To bring up this utterly silly notion that Cosplayers are predators preying on young boys who can't control their sexual desires plays right into the same falatious thinking that Jeremy and his ilk accuse SJWs of doing. It is present Young Males as being incapable of controlling their sexuality, and being easily manipulated due to their stupidity and base inability to control their sexual desires, and need to offload sexual aggression.
What you are doing is falling for his diversion tactics. He very clearly knows he's an ass who doesn't have a leg to stand on, at all, and very likely will be facing repercussions for being an ass. Rather than admit culpability in the situation, however, he is pointed you down a road of where the REAL problem is. Don't bother looking at the fact that he is a self-admitted ass who insults people on the daily unapologetically, whose beef with Christine stems from personal issues involving their shared history, and that he has over the last few years made unprovoked attacks against her because of said personal issues (Including days before she decided to quit, when he made an unprovoked attack on her on twitter). No, you have to go look at the REAL problem of Women being Sexual Predators for preying on stupid young men who can't control their sexuality.
If you believe he is at all concerned with this junk, you have been played hard by somebody who is a self-absorbed ass who is doing everything in his power to deflect you from seeing the actual reasons for why he has been blacklisted.
You can hate somebody for their views/speech/actions, but you CANNOT act on that hate in a vigilante matter. There are proper avenues to follow, and when you choose not to and act on those impulses, you are no different than the person you are acting out against.
Ultimately, this is not a matter the public needs to be involved in or needs to solve.
The problem here is that the "opposing" side is already very active in their harmful behavior. At a certain point inaction becomes unacceptable, allowing hugely negative groups and individuals (see: Jeremy) to have a truly untoward effect on how our subculture is perceived. To the outside we're already a masculine dominated, often-aggressive, and socially awkward bundle of "nerds." Adding this kind of hateful behavior to what we're known for isn't something that the community should allow, nonsensical hyperbole examples entirely aside.
So it’s ok to send this guy Jeremy death threats, then? Because he’s a an A-Hole of the highest caliber, he deserves to be hounded by death threats? I guess he can’t hurt anybody’s feeling if he’s dead.
Eye for an Eye? That is what this thread, the mods, this site, is effectively endorsing, and it’s disgusting.
I assume you are all sitting at home in your Batman costumes waiting for commissioner Gordon to light the lamp on the bat signal to enact your “social justice” on the bad people of this world.
I get there is a lot of hyperbole in this particular post, but this is just nuts at this point. It’s like a compilation of recent South Park episodes, playing out in real life. Rabble, rabble, rabble....
It is not okay for Jeremy to get death threats. Jeremy getting death threats, however, does not mean his is innocent of wrong doing. The people sending him death threats should be held accountable. Including DCI bans, if they play magic.
That said, Jeremy deserves all of the generalizated hate he is getting (As in, people hating on him in general, not death threats and the like). He is not hated or disliked because of his politics. He is hated and disliked for intentionally making people miserable. He revels in being and edgelord. He is an ass because he wants to be. You have a right to be an ass, but there are repercussions, social and otherwise, for it. He bemoans the fact that Wizards doesn't acknowledge him, and has done so for years; hell, that's where a lot of his disdain for other content creators comes from, to be blunt. He feels it is a great wrong done to him that he can't get a preview card, or can't get officially listed on Wizard's site, or what-have-you. Some of his most fervent fans fully admit this, unwittingly, by saying idiotic things such as "If only Wizards hadn't taken his previews away, or let him in the community cup, he would be different! He only went off the deep end after that!"
The simple fact is, he wants all of the freedom to act like an ass with all of the privileges that come with following the rules. That's not how life works. Wizards is not going to reward someone for being an intentional ass. Nobody is, or should. If he doesn't want to act like an adult, he doesn't get the privileges afforded to those who do. Color me completely unimpressed with people defending a grown man acting like a complete child. He has been throwing a years-long tantrum over the fact that Wizards took his toys away for not playing by their rules, and he has a personal vendetta against those who have a working relationship with them.
You know, we're going to end up with fans of people like Unsleeved and Desolator on one side, and Wedge and Professor Hippy Hair on the the other. I can't help but think that Wedge and the Prof, among others, are just making it worse. Now, I don't like Mr. Unsleeved Media guy at all. His content annoys me, whereas I've built MTGO decks showcased by Wedge, and often watch the Prof. for entertainment.
That said, I ALSO don't like Sprankle. If you really want a realistic view on the subject, I suggest Desolator Magic.
Yes, a realistic version of the events starts with a complete character assassination of Sprankle based entirely around assumptions based upon arm-chair philosophisizing about her reasons for cosplaying. Makes wide-standing generalizations about cosplayers and their personalities, and then fully admits to not knowing a damn thing about her yet is willing to accept his own fabrications as the likely reality.
Not only that, but he then creates a fabrication that this situation arose because "1-in-10 comments are mean". That's not what bloody well happened, at all. She received death threats for playing flip it or rip it. He is operating under the assumption that she is being over-dramatic because of generalizations and fabrications he created through limited contact with other people.
I don't care much about cosplay, and I don't know a thing about Sprankle. But Desolator is being utterly asinine with the very premise of this video, and this is hardly a realistic version of events. It is fabricating a version of events that there is no evidence of.
Not only then, he then goes on to say she just blamed Jeremy because he's an easy target; that is hardly the case. Jeremy and her have a long history, and he has ***** on her constantly, the last time by denigrating her appearance and dragging her into his anti-female-Spike rants, unprovoked mind you, earlier this month.
And then he goes on a rant about "dumbass leftist liberals". This is rich coming from a person who accepts his own fabrication as reality after admitting to not knowing anything about the situation, and then utterly misrepresents Jeremy as only off-handedly mentioning her once. He has a hate-on for her, has engaged in this off and on for almost two years, has made it damn well clear he hates her, and has made unprovoked attacks against her on his twitter feed this month. He very clearly has personal beef with her, and this is hardly a case of one comment from a month ago. Is it possible Christine acted the same to him? Perhaps, I don't know. He certainly hasn't provided any reason to think that, while there is plenty to see that he engaged in harassing behavior unprovoked towards on several occasions.
DesolatorMagic is completely out of touch with reality. He has fabricated a fiction that he just assumes has to be true. And then tries to sell it as gospel truth. For someone who says that people don't do their research, I find his completely moronic rant that is so far off base with the reality of how this went down to be the richest thing I have heard. He literally accepts Jeremy's word as gospel, without question, because it fits his narrative.
These sort of armchair, smug, self-aggrandizing philosophers who think they are "so" much more intelligent than us "sheeple" who don't "research" anything, and just go with leftist-mobs are more often than not utterly and laughably wrong. DesolatorMagic's entire arguments centers around a total fabrication what he thinks Christine is like, without ever actually meeting her or showing a single shred of evidence to indicate that is her motivation. Meanwhile, we have plenty of evidence to show that yes, Jeremy is an ass. A massive one, whom goes out of his way to make unprovoked attacks on people because, in his own words, he is an edgelord. I don't need to form an opinion on what Jeremy is like, because he is fully honest about it. He lets you know he is a miserable person. Great, awesome, you told me why I shouldn't give two craps about you and you made your own case against you.
If you want to be an edgelord and make people's lives miserable for the lulz, do not be surprised when your privileges are revoked. Playing Magic is a privilege. Going to tournaments is a privilege. Having a patreon account is a privilege. Having a youtube channel is a privilege. It is not a right. You have the right to be a miserable edgelord, but you do not have a right to enjoy the privileges provided to you by these platforms. They get to set the damn rules, and they get to decide if you broke them.
I think right now, everyone thinks the truth is what they want to believe, and not the actual truth.
Comparing MTG to the NHL, Jeremy says something Christine doesn't like, and a mob comes after him, to the point of giving him death threats. A player purposely brutally injures a player and is out for season. Fans of teams let the league handle it and will only complain if punishment isn't harsh enough. That suspended player gets booed by fans of injured player's team every time he gets on the ice after suspension is over. No death threats.
Steve = Quarterback.
Sean = Pass rusher.
Helmet to helmet contact.
Steve gets concussion.
If this thread was talking about football, all fans of the team Sean plays on would be banned. Saying that Steve lowered his head and Sean couldn't lay off, because you are a biased fan of Sean's team, would get you banned. Saying and agreeing with anything but "Sean is a dirty player" will get you banned.
That is not what the situation is, at all. Jeremy is an intentional edgelord whom revels in making others miserable. He has personal beef with Christine.
He is nownfacing backlash because he of his decision to be a miserable edgelord, on purpose mind you.
Jeremy has a massive cjip on his shoulders because various groups want nothing to do with him, at all. He was booted from a youtuber event for being a massove ass. WotC took his previews away because he is a massive ass. He moans a out not getting invited to the Community Cup or being officially recognized by WotC, however that may have to do with him being a giant edgelord ass who makes rape jokes, insinuates one of their employees is a pedophile amd sexual predator, constantly insults their employees by name, opened a video by giving them the middle finger, and constantly craps on the company and product. All of this is his right to do (well, the idiocy he pulled on Rosewater is not), however he is a gobsmacking moron if he thinks WotC is going to support him after all of that. Saying what you wamt when you want has consequences in the real world, kid, and the real world is not in the market of rewarding edfelords for being edgelords. He is a whiny brat who believes he is owed something, and bemoans how unfair he is being treated. Because of his massive entitlement complex, he has decided to lash out at everyone because he didnt get his candy.
I am not making a knee-jerk reaction based on my favorite content creators amd famboyism. I find TCC to be rather uninteresting, with a quality reminiscient of unironicly low quality high achool media productions. I have yet to see a video from Wedge that piques my interest at all. I could care less about cosplay to any degree. The only videos I watch on any regular basis are Rudy's (however his intentional melodramatic style grows old at times) and MTGGoldfish (as they have the most polished style with actually unique content).
I agree. I also feel that by doubling down on Jeremy, by removing his social media presence, his Patreon account, his Youtube channels, and destroying his reputation all because of this abuse (and I'm not just talking about Christine, but everyone who can supply evidence of his harassment), will set a precedent that can be used in the future for others to lean on when facing similar problems.
Also, by making an example of Jeremy, we, as a community, can go a long way to showing those who are outside our bubble that we do not appreciate this kind of behaviour in our shops, homes, pro tours, GPs, etc. and will not stand for it.
Edit: That's a good read, Teia. I hope that the call for introspection doesn't fall on deaf ears though.
For me this is exactly whats so wrong about even considering this to be any form of "solution".
Its lynch mob thinking.
You just want blood and you want to burn someone for a topic that neither deserves this form of punishment or even such an reaction at all.
Its a topic that could and should be solved without the giant fuzz of the public and without any major casualties.
And to do that you need a neutral judge , and neither person is neutral in this topic, especially as it becomes such a topic that doesnt even allow a neutral perspective, if its so extreme and takes much harsher topics into the mix, just to further bolster sides and make any actively productive discussion downright impossible.
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Nothing Jeremy did justifies any over the top reaction. Critic yes, its even totally fine to blame his behavior, and it should be discussed as what it is, do not make this person responsible for ANY problem just to have someone to blame and put all the blame on.
By doing so you simply push a topic and hurt the community more, as it will further split people apart and make the problem just deeper and persistent.
Every time comments and arguments go further and become more harsh, at some point people have to say so and find a balance again.
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If there is an form of greater issue, especially in your local environment, it should be dealt with.
But putting all the blame and shame on Jeremy alone, is an entire problem of its (thats just wrong).
The truly harmful individuals arent so easily taken out of responsibility, anybody that sends death threat emails is a real issue on its own and cannot simply put the blame on Jeremy (adults should be responsible enough to see they have to think what they are doing and not mindlessly rampage and insult people around them).
Make sure you arent just becoming part of a lynch mob. If justice should be truly done, it needs to have a proper call from a neutral party, it cannot be a fair solution to burn on side to the ground and just ignore them.
Yeah, it's lynch mob nonsense taken to the extreme.
Someone doesn't tow the far Left line? BURN THE HERETIC! /sarcasm
I just read the editorial on the front page of the site. Thinly (very thinly) veiled hard Left call for speech codes within the greater MTG community.
This site can set w/e rules they want for what can and can't be posted here. It's private property. If they want to drive away everyone but people who would be comfortable at some hole of groupthink like UC Berkley (for example), they have the right to do so.
BUT, try that within the larger community of all MTG players, and you'll do nothing but divide the game and its players along political lines.
Just more of what our world needs. /snort
People do not want Jeremy punished for his political views. They want him punished because he is am intentional POS edgelord who revels in being a miserable person and making others miserable.
Playing Magic is not a right, it is a privelege. Going to tournaments is not a right, it is a privelege. Having a youtube channel is not a right, it is a privelege. If you act like a child you will be treated like one. Jeremy is an overgrown child who does not want any form of responsibility for what he does or says publicly, amd wamts to say whatever he wants without being held accountable. Too bad, kiddo, that is not how the world works. It is time for him to grow up, and if he decides not to there are consequences for that. We do not reward people for being POS edgelords, nor should we. This entire situation is self-inflicted nonsense from someone who needs to grow up.
If the gender roles were reversed, none of this would be happening.
Impossible to say. Also, utterly meaningless to bring up in this conversation.
Jeremy seriously made his own bed, and is a self-proclaimed edgelord who does and says things to offend people, on purpose. He is hardly a victim of some great conspiracy against him by SJWs. If anything, it's surprising it took this long for it to blow up on him. Contrary to what you may think, sometimes people deserve what comes to them. This isn't a crusade against a haplass individual who accidentally said something off-color. This is somebody who has a serious hate-on for Sprankle, and contrary to what he and his supporters say has made derogatory unprovoked remarks about her over a sustained period of time, up to and including when this whole thing blew up.
He has nobody to blame but himself that people don't want anything to do with him, and his constant blathering about being a victim is hollow. As I said before, Eric Cartman is not a laudable personality, and people should not be rewarded for being Eric Cartman. Eric Cartman deserves all of the derision he gets for being Eric Cartman, and yes that includes punishment if his Cartmanning goes too long and causes too many problems. He needs to grow up, act like an adult, stop being an edgelord, and stop obsessing about imagined slights. The world doesn't owe him anything, and the reason why the larger community wants nothing to do with him has nothing to do with politics, but rather because he is a downright miserable human being. Of course they don't want to hang around him or support him. It's downright childish to think that they even should.
He whinges and moans about how Wizards won't invite him to the Community Cup or give him previews, or blacklist him from being listed as a content creator on their site. Any half-sane person would see that he flipped WotC off in a video he made, jokes about rape, used an image proclaiming Rosewater is a pedophile and sexual predator for a video, insults their employees by name, and constantly screams and bemoans how Wizards is destroying Magic. In what sane world would a corporation even acknowledge said person, let alone in a positive light?
I honestly find it patently ridiculous that anybody thinks that Jeremy has a case against Sprankle at all, particularly for Defemation. Defamation (in this case Libel) requires the person to make a statement that is untrue, and cause damages to be incurred because of it. The fundamental problem is that there is a good deal of evidence that Jeremy has been harassing Sprankle, up to and after Sprankle made her announcement.
To be clear, nobody has suggested that Jeremy has a case, and as far as I know none of the relevant parties have suggested that they plan to take things to court. The question is whether it would be worth if for Sprankle to file a case against him, regardless of whether she could win it or not. Filing a case in court is always risky, and that's why I think it had not crossed her mind to do so. You give the reason why in your post-- damage to one's character isn't enough to win a defamation case.
I honestly find it patently ridiculous that anybody thinks that Jeremy has a case against Sprankle at all, particularly for Defemation. Defamation (in this case Libel) requires the person to make a statement that is untrue, and cause damages to be incurred because of it. The fundamental problem is that there is a good deal of evidence that Jeremy has been harassing Sprankle, up to and after Sprankle made her announcement.
To be clear, nobody has suggested that Jeremy has a case, and as far as I know none of the relevant parties have suggested that they plan to take things to court. The question is whether it would be worth if for Sprankle to file a case against him, regardless of whether she could win it or not. Filing a case in court is always risky, and that's why I think it had not crossed her mind to do so. You give the reason why in your post-- damage to one's character isn't enough to win a defamation case.
Ah, thought this was in reference to Jeremy talking about suing Sprankle for defamation, which he has actually has fielded.
If Jeremy refuses to settle with her and it went to court he'd be hurting himself more than Christine. There are already legal cases that set due precedent and I'm going to disagree on the costs. Jeremy would likely be paying both his and her court fees.
The primary reason she may not do it is she never did it before and doesn't know how to start the case. Fear of the unknown is often a factor in these things.
I honestly find it patently ridiculous that anybody thinks that Jeremy has a case against Sprankle at all, particularly for Defemation. Defamation (in this case Libel) requires the person to make a statement that is untrue, and cause damages to be incurred because of it. The fundamental problem is that there is a good deal of evidence that Jeremy has been harassing Sprankle, up to and after Sprankle made her announcement.
From November 16th, for instance, he made an unprovoked tweet about her, deriding her appearance, and involving her (by name, no less) in his arguments surrounding why Spike being female was bad; there was really no reason he had to dig Sprankle into this, and there was no impetus for it.
He seems to have a very big personal problem with Sprankle, and is more than will to make it very public, even though there appears to be no impetus for it. While it may not seem like the biggest deal, the severity doesn't particularly matter here. He made unprovoked statements that derided and harassed her under any reasonable definition of the word. It is not enough for her to do anything to him, but it is certainly enough to indicate that her statement was not a total fabrication as he has claimed and discredits his claim that the only time he said anything about her was 6 months ago in one video (which is demonstrably untrue).
Couple that with what he said in the past, the videos he put out, and his actions and statements after about her (Calling her a prostitute, ****, drama-queen, etc.), and he has more or less torpedo'd any chance in hell he has of convincing a sane court that Christine was lying when she put out her statement as to why she was leaving. Part of defamation, as I said, is that the person is making it up. Unfortunately for Jeremy, he seems to have had a long-standing problem with Sprankle, which he has vocalized recently in derogatory manners on his public platforms. It certainly does not help him any further that Christine has remained rather quiet since her statement, and has not been leading the efforts at all to have him removed.
The second problem with defamation cases is that unless you can prove that the person was acting maliciously, you are pretty much relegated to the realm of actual empirical damages that have stemmed from the statement. Lost wages, lost revenue, etc. Just having your character damaged isn't enough to sue for libel if there were no actual real-world damages incurred. The problem is, one could argue that this mess has actually *helped* him, as he has seen viewer-spikes and seems to be gaining subscribers (Although he had a minor drop early on).
Jeremy has honestly done no favors for himself with his tactics and style, and if he is dumb enough to try and bring this to court he is going to learn a very harsh lesson that being an edgelord and ****lord does have consequences. In this case, he would likely go bankrupt trying to win a case he will inevitably lose, and likely be forced to pay for Christine's court costs in the process. There is a very good reason why corporations push everything through a legal team before making a statement, and why Lawyers advise their clients to not comment on a case they are involved in until the suit is over.
Right and Left have nothing nothing
to do with sexual/online harassment being OK or not.
Politics has nothing to do with harassment being ok or not.
Every community should protect itself from abusive people and have rules/a system to adjudicate.
It's not ok.
In other words:
You are allowed your opinions.
You are allowed to voice your opinions.
If you decide tuat the best means of voicing your opinion is to be a complete childish ***, do not be surprised when people treat you like a complete childish ***. You are not being persecuted for political beliefs, you are being put in a corner because you are a child who cannot act like an adult.
Supposedly people were messing with the guys patreon and facebook, its hard to tell especially when its clear the conversation is only allowed to flow to one conclusion.
Eric Froelich is the only one I could think of as well, but as I understand it he has at least admitted he was being an *** and implied he would be stopping. Granted, an adult never would have been in a situation where you needed to admit, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and if he does it again after he took a stance here he should get ripped apart by the community. Honestly, I would be shocked if people aren't going to keep an eye on Eric going forward, on both sides. Schadenfreude is totally a thing.
The fact that he thinks he should be a member of the star chamber shows very little self awareness IMO.
I think a lot of the reaction has to do with partisanship, I cant think of any magic "personalities" endorsed by WotC or pros that wear their rightist political leanings on their sleeve but I can think of a lot on the left, can you?
Supposedly people were messing with the guys patreon and facebook, its hard to tell especially when its clear the conversation is only allowed to flow to one conclusion.
Eric Froelich is the only one I could think of as well, but as I understand it he has at least admitted he was being an *** and implied he would be stopping. Granted, an adult never would have been in a situation where you needed to admit, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and if he does it again after he took a stance here he should get ripped apart by the community. Honestly, I would be shocked if people aren't going to keep an eye on Eric going forward, on both sides. Schadenfreude is totally a thing.
The fact that he thinks he should be a member of the star chamber shows very little self awareness IMO.
I think a lot of the reaction has to do with partisanship, I cant think of any magic "personalities" endorsed by WotC or pros that wear their rightist political leanings on their sleeve but I can think of a lot on the left, can you?
The fundamental problem with rightist personalities in the modern day is that they have pushed the concept of being an intentional ass as a fundamental tennet of their ideology. Jeremy revels in being an insulting troll who makes rape jokes. He full admits to being an edgelord who intentionally trolls people for the lulz. Why should thos behavior be rewarded?
There are plenty of calm, rational conservative personalities out there. They get eclipsed, however, by people like Jeremy whom intentionally inflame situations and people. It should be no small wonder to any reasonable person, regardless of political leaning, why Jeremy is not supported. It has little to do with his message, and everything to do with his tactics amd approach. Perhaps if edgelords would support the calm, rational sorts instead of people like Jeremy, you would see a bit of a different relationship emerge.
Even still, Wizards has no obligation to give abyone a platform, or associate themselves with any specific person. Wizards wamts to present themselves as being inclusive, and are trying to shed the nerd stereotype. In what world would any organization trying to do that associate themselves with someone whom loudly, and angrily, bemoans this as destroying the game, and how representing females on a card is destroying the game, or calls other content creators prostitutes? Hell, in what world would any company or organization freely associate and prop up someone whom actively despises your current direction, and spews crap constantly about it?
It is asinine to think Wizards should associate with him. We do not reward the Eric Cartmans of the world for being Eric Cartman. Eric Cartman isn't hated because people are jealous of him or disagree with him. Eric Cartman is hated because hr is a whiny brat whom intentionally makes other peoples lives miserable. If you intentionally make other people's lives moserable for the sake of making them miserable, you should not be surprised when others want nothing to do with you.
So I'm going to willingly take another infraction to make my point, and my case here, because it has to be made.
Coming into any discussion, if you set the rules, "This happened, don't deny it" but refuse to provide the necessary proof that this has happened, then it's not a discussion at all, it's an echo chamber. I was told to watch The Professor's video, so I did. It doesn't answer my question.
My question was very, very simple: where is the proof? The claim is made that Jeremy personally led a targeted, prolonged campaign of harassment against Christine. I decided to do a bit of digging, and aside from a handful of tweets spread over months, which give his opinion that I could understand in the context he provided (mainly, that socially-awkward people will flock to protect someone who is moderately attractive), and a single video and one stream in which she was mentioned, I cannot find it. I simply can't. I cannot seem to find this much vaunted evidence that everyone says exists. Or doesn't exist. Because it was apparently...deleted? Why is it that people in this day and age can master the art of social media, but don't understand screencaps and archive.is? Why is it that we have to "listen and believe" when this comes up, but when pushed for the evidence to support the claim the people asking for the evidence are suddenly the bad guys? I come from a "trust, but verify" mindset, in everything I do, because sometimes people can lie, and other times people pass on what is going on, which is hearsay.
The Professor makes a good case for Jeremy being an edgelord and an ass. Guess what? That's not proof of him leading a crusade (No no...what do the American pig-dogs call it? Right, peacekeeping!) against a single individual. In my postings on Reddit, my blog postings, and videos on my YouTube channel I've gone after Studio Wildcard for performing shoddily, and providing a subpar product despite the hype they provided. SidAlpha has gone after Alex Mauer and Andrew Watt recently in the wake of spurious claims. We have been more focused on our respective targets than he has on Christine, and yet it wouldn't be harassment.
More to the point, if Jeremy is held accountable for people doing their own thing and attacking people, when he did not instigate any attacks (making a video does not indicate responsibility for creating a hate mob), does this mean that if he provides actual evidence of targeted harassment against himself by followers of Fournier, Christine, and even The Professor? Will you then launch a thread like this against them, or will it be a, "That's completely different"?
Make no mistake: I do not, in any way, condone targeted harassment campaigns by anyone. However, you have to provide the evidence to support your accusations, something I don't believe has been done in this. As such, taking a preponderance of the evidence, Jeremy is an ******** sometimes, but that doesn't make him the Hitler of targeted harassment.
And for the record, Jeremy makes an interesting case for her having started this because her Patreon numbers were shrinking (related graph: https://imgur.com/a/tkFqk). I'm not saying it's true, but it's interesting from an evidentiary standpoint.
The problem is that Jeremy was smart enough to delete a lot ofnthe offending content before this blew up massively on social media sites. I normally wouldn't give much creedence to this argument, except that in this case I personnally read some of the tweets he put out recently that have been deleted. Take that as you will, but for me at least, I read enough to know that Christine is honest on this one, To be blunt, Jeremy has made a concerted effort to remove the proof that he was harassing her inorder for him to sell his victimhood complex to people who were not paying attention.
Jeremy is playing the professional victim here, and when he gets called out he proclaims he is being treated unfairly, amd manipulates people like you into it by appealing to common sense rhetoric (wheres the proof?!) while simultaneously removing his contebt that was the proof.
And then we finally get to the end result, where people are justifying his terrible behavior because they honestly believe he is the "real" victim.
Christine Sprankle made one comment at the start of this in why she was leaving. One. She is not playing the victim at all, and the narrative that she is is just plain idiotic. She has stayed out of this mess since it started. The only one playing thenvictim here is Jeremy. And Jeremy is a child whindoes not want consequences for saying some teulybqretched things, so he convinces hapless individuals like yourself that Christine is being a professional victim here. Meanwhile Jeremy has been spring boarded by multiple well-known youtubers, his video viewership has gone through the roof by being springboarded, and he is even promoting people selling shirts with his likeness. He is using this to create a brand, and has brought up his Patreon on multiple occasions. Christine, contrary to the bullocks spewed by Jeremy, never even mentioned her Patreon in any of her posts. At all.
I have to do all the work around here, don't I? Anyway, there weren't any articles written about this as the conversation quickly morphed by outside forces, but read the first major reddit thread. To make it easy, just ctrl+F "Flip it or Rip it". There are enough posts to get the point across.
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/7fb3iz/christine_sprankle_quitting_magic_cosplay_due_to/#bottom-comments
I honestly have never seen, nor heard, anything by Shapiro that I can recall. I won't comment on someone I honestly can't recall any anecdote about. That said, I despise the current trend of passing off political commentator as news or some vital truth, rather than for what it is: opinion. I have a fundamental lack of respect for any regular person labled as "commentator", regardless of political leaning.
On to the point, Jeremy is off the deep the end for complete other reasons than politics. All of this nonsense stems from him having problems with Wedge two years ago, and the drama that unfolded because of it. He hates TCC and Christine because they are friends with Wedge, to be frank. He tries to sell it to his audience as some greater concern, but all of this is just petty bullocks because Wedge got him dis invited from an mtg Youtuber convention because Wedge didn't like him, and threatened to pull out of it. I am by no means supporting Wedge, mind you; he did not and has not been much better, if at all. That said, Jeremy has decided that the best way to cope with this snubbing is to act more and more like an ass over the years, creating more and more problems. He attacks anybody who works with Wedge or is friends with him largely out of vindictive spite, and pettles it as something else.
If you think he is "telling it like it is" to Wedge and Co. because of PC nonsense, you are being played by a truly petty individual who has a history of weaponizing his followers in a long-standing feud with another youtuber. While Wedge is hardly blameless in this, the fact is Jeremy has decided to go on an endless crusade against him and everyone whom associates with him out of pure spite that he dresses up as political witch huntery. The problem is, he has crossed several lines in this crusade, and has decided that the best way to deal with this feud is as a miserable edgelord. Acting like a miserable edgelord, regardless of your reasons, comes with consequences and repercussions.
To be frank, I don't think Jeremy is a massive misogynistic ultra-conservative women-hating Nazi. I think he peddles the vapid Anti-SJW talking points in order to sell the notion that he is telling it like it is, when in reality it's just deflection for years of feuding with other MTG youtubers because of personal problems.
Yes, it was about that. Go look at the early social media threads on it.
It wasn't until well after this whole thing got rolling that Jeremy & Co. started changing the narrative on the subject to be that she is a whiny cosplayer who doesn't like that people say mean things about her or sexualizing her. Neither of which has anything to do with the issue. The issue is that Jeremy has a lot of beef with Wedge, TCC, and Sprankle for being snubbed from an event a few years ago. Rather than realize that the reason he was snubbed is because he is an ass that people didn't want to be associated with, he decided that it was persecuting him for his beliefs. So he went off the damn deep end, doubled down on his persecution complex, and became an even larger ass.
Yes, because this is "critique", and not intentional denigration of her (by name, no less!), and involving her in his Anti-Female-Spike crusade for no damn reason at all:
https://twitter.com/mtgheadquarters/status/931189044905742338
But hey, the only time he ever mentioned her at all was in one video six months ago, and it was only critique. Right.
Look, Sex Sells is a thing. It's all over the place. People like to look at other people they find sexually attractice, and yes occasionally have sexual fantasies about others. This is all normal human behavior, regardless of who you are.
To imply, however, that Young Males are slavishly devoted to this, and are unwittingly being preyed upon by predatory Cosplayers, is asinine. Not only is it patently absurd and reinforces the concept of males (particularly male gamers) being idiot sex obsessed neckbeards, it is utterly unfair as you said in this case. Very little of what Sprankle has could even remotely be interpretted as overtly sexual in nature; her promotional material is hardly what I would call sexual in nature. I highly doubt, further, that the people sending overly graphic lewd messages are her actual supporters, and are likely idiot trolls being idiots for the lulz.
I have yet to see Sprankle ever criticize a single person for saying she was attractive or what not; the only comment I have seen is her criticize a truly gross messages that was obviously meant to make her uncomfortable, likely by a troll.
While true, it is an unbased claim as to her intentions, and is utterly insulting to her fanbase as a whole, and intelligence of any reasonable person, including you. He is playing you for an idiot by making this claim, because it requires you to simply accept his statement as the gospel truth on her intentions without providing a shred of reason to believe its true.
While "sex sells" is a thing, you would have to be willfully obtuse if you think that people are slavishly swayed by sexuality in such a way. It also speaks nothing to the heterosexual women whom financially support her, the adults and friends whom financially support her, and plenty of other people who just enjoy the cosplay scene. He is relying on you to simply accept it as the case that she is a predator preying on stupid male teenagers who can't think beyond their genitals. Let that bloody well sink in.
Further, it has nothing at all to do with the conversation, because it has nothing at all to do with why Christine quit. She quit because of harassment she received from playing Flip It or Rip it, which included death threats and the like for daring to destroy Magic cards. She received incredibly lewd comments that well above and beyond simple comments on her appearance.
To bring up this utterly silly notion that Cosplayers are predators preying on young boys who can't control their sexual desires plays right into the same falatious thinking that Jeremy and his ilk accuse SJWs of doing. It is present Young Males as being incapable of controlling their sexuality, and being easily manipulated due to their stupidity and base inability to control their sexual desires, and need to offload sexual aggression.
What you are doing is falling for his diversion tactics. He very clearly knows he's an ass who doesn't have a leg to stand on, at all, and very likely will be facing repercussions for being an ass. Rather than admit culpability in the situation, however, he is pointed you down a road of where the REAL problem is. Don't bother looking at the fact that he is a self-admitted ass who insults people on the daily unapologetically, whose beef with Christine stems from personal issues involving their shared history, and that he has over the last few years made unprovoked attacks against her because of said personal issues (Including days before she decided to quit, when he made an unprovoked attack on her on twitter). No, you have to go look at the REAL problem of Women being Sexual Predators for preying on stupid young men who can't control their sexuality.
If you believe he is at all concerned with this junk, you have been played hard by somebody who is a self-absorbed ass who is doing everything in his power to deflect you from seeing the actual reasons for why he has been blacklisted.
It is not okay for Jeremy to get death threats. Jeremy getting death threats, however, does not mean his is innocent of wrong doing. The people sending him death threats should be held accountable. Including DCI bans, if they play magic.
That said, Jeremy deserves all of the generalizated hate he is getting (As in, people hating on him in general, not death threats and the like). He is not hated or disliked because of his politics. He is hated and disliked for intentionally making people miserable. He revels in being and edgelord. He is an ass because he wants to be. You have a right to be an ass, but there are repercussions, social and otherwise, for it. He bemoans the fact that Wizards doesn't acknowledge him, and has done so for years; hell, that's where a lot of his disdain for other content creators comes from, to be blunt. He feels it is a great wrong done to him that he can't get a preview card, or can't get officially listed on Wizard's site, or what-have-you. Some of his most fervent fans fully admit this, unwittingly, by saying idiotic things such as "If only Wizards hadn't taken his previews away, or let him in the community cup, he would be different! He only went off the deep end after that!"
The simple fact is, he wants all of the freedom to act like an ass with all of the privileges that come with following the rules. That's not how life works. Wizards is not going to reward someone for being an intentional ass. Nobody is, or should. If he doesn't want to act like an adult, he doesn't get the privileges afforded to those who do. Color me completely unimpressed with people defending a grown man acting like a complete child. He has been throwing a years-long tantrum over the fact that Wizards took his toys away for not playing by their rules, and he has a personal vendetta against those who have a working relationship with them.
Yes, a realistic version of the events starts with a complete character assassination of Sprankle based entirely around assumptions based upon arm-chair philosophisizing about her reasons for cosplaying. Makes wide-standing generalizations about cosplayers and their personalities, and then fully admits to not knowing a damn thing about her yet is willing to accept his own fabrications as the likely reality.
Not only that, but he then creates a fabrication that this situation arose because "1-in-10 comments are mean". That's not what bloody well happened, at all. She received death threats for playing flip it or rip it. He is operating under the assumption that she is being over-dramatic because of generalizations and fabrications he created through limited contact with other people.
I don't care much about cosplay, and I don't know a thing about Sprankle. But Desolator is being utterly asinine with the very premise of this video, and this is hardly a realistic version of events. It is fabricating a version of events that there is no evidence of.
Not only then, he then goes on to say she just blamed Jeremy because he's an easy target; that is hardly the case. Jeremy and her have a long history, and he has ***** on her constantly, the last time by denigrating her appearance and dragging her into his anti-female-Spike rants, unprovoked mind you, earlier this month.
And then he goes on a rant about "dumbass leftist liberals". This is rich coming from a person who accepts his own fabrication as reality after admitting to not knowing anything about the situation, and then utterly misrepresents Jeremy as only off-handedly mentioning her once. He has a hate-on for her, has engaged in this off and on for almost two years, has made it damn well clear he hates her, and has made unprovoked attacks against her on his twitter feed this month. He very clearly has personal beef with her, and this is hardly a case of one comment from a month ago. Is it possible Christine acted the same to him? Perhaps, I don't know. He certainly hasn't provided any reason to think that, while there is plenty to see that he engaged in harassing behavior unprovoked towards on several occasions.
DesolatorMagic is completely out of touch with reality. He has fabricated a fiction that he just assumes has to be true. And then tries to sell it as gospel truth. For someone who says that people don't do their research, I find his completely moronic rant that is so far off base with the reality of how this went down to be the richest thing I have heard. He literally accepts Jeremy's word as gospel, without question, because it fits his narrative.
These sort of armchair, smug, self-aggrandizing philosophers who think they are "so" much more intelligent than us "sheeple" who don't "research" anything, and just go with leftist-mobs are more often than not utterly and laughably wrong. DesolatorMagic's entire arguments centers around a total fabrication what he thinks Christine is like, without ever actually meeting her or showing a single shred of evidence to indicate that is her motivation. Meanwhile, we have plenty of evidence to show that yes, Jeremy is an ass. A massive one, whom goes out of his way to make unprovoked attacks on people because, in his own words, he is an edgelord. I don't need to form an opinion on what Jeremy is like, because he is fully honest about it. He lets you know he is a miserable person. Great, awesome, you told me why I shouldn't give two craps about you and you made your own case against you.
If you want to be an edgelord and make people's lives miserable for the lulz, do not be surprised when your privileges are revoked. Playing Magic is a privilege. Going to tournaments is a privilege. Having a patreon account is a privilege. Having a youtube channel is a privilege. It is not a right. You have the right to be a miserable edgelord, but you do not have a right to enjoy the privileges provided to you by these platforms. They get to set the damn rules, and they get to decide if you broke them.
That is not what the situation is, at all. Jeremy is an intentional edgelord whom revels in making others miserable. He has personal beef with Christine.
He is nownfacing backlash because he of his decision to be a miserable edgelord, on purpose mind you.
Jeremy has a massive cjip on his shoulders because various groups want nothing to do with him, at all. He was booted from a youtuber event for being a massove ass. WotC took his previews away because he is a massive ass. He moans a out not getting invited to the Community Cup or being officially recognized by WotC, however that may have to do with him being a giant edgelord ass who makes rape jokes, insinuates one of their employees is a pedophile amd sexual predator, constantly insults their employees by name, opened a video by giving them the middle finger, and constantly craps on the company and product. All of this is his right to do (well, the idiocy he pulled on Rosewater is not), however he is a gobsmacking moron if he thinks WotC is going to support him after all of that. Saying what you wamt when you want has consequences in the real world, kid, and the real world is not in the market of rewarding edfelords for being edgelords. He is a whiny brat who believes he is owed something, and bemoans how unfair he is being treated. Because of his massive entitlement complex, he has decided to lash out at everyone because he didnt get his candy.
I am not making a knee-jerk reaction based on my favorite content creators amd famboyism. I find TCC to be rather uninteresting, with a quality reminiscient of unironicly low quality high achool media productions. I have yet to see a video from Wedge that piques my interest at all. I could care less about cosplay to any degree. The only videos I watch on any regular basis are Rudy's (however his intentional melodramatic style grows old at times) and MTGGoldfish (as they have the most polished style with actually unique content).
People do not want Jeremy punished for his political views. They want him punished because he is am intentional POS edgelord who revels in being a miserable person and making others miserable.
Playing Magic is not a right, it is a privelege. Going to tournaments is not a right, it is a privelege. Having a youtube channel is not a right, it is a privelege. If you act like a child you will be treated like one. Jeremy is an overgrown child who does not want any form of responsibility for what he does or says publicly, amd wamts to say whatever he wants without being held accountable. Too bad, kiddo, that is not how the world works. It is time for him to grow up, and if he decides not to there are consequences for that. We do not reward people for being POS edgelords, nor should we. This entire situation is self-inflicted nonsense from someone who needs to grow up.
Impossible to say. Also, utterly meaningless to bring up in this conversation.
Jeremy seriously made his own bed, and is a self-proclaimed edgelord who does and says things to offend people, on purpose. He is hardly a victim of some great conspiracy against him by SJWs. If anything, it's surprising it took this long for it to blow up on him. Contrary to what you may think, sometimes people deserve what comes to them. This isn't a crusade against a haplass individual who accidentally said something off-color. This is somebody who has a serious hate-on for Sprankle, and contrary to what he and his supporters say has made derogatory unprovoked remarks about her over a sustained period of time, up to and including when this whole thing blew up.
He has nobody to blame but himself that people don't want anything to do with him, and his constant blathering about being a victim is hollow. As I said before, Eric Cartman is not a laudable personality, and people should not be rewarded for being Eric Cartman. Eric Cartman deserves all of the derision he gets for being Eric Cartman, and yes that includes punishment if his Cartmanning goes too long and causes too many problems. He needs to grow up, act like an adult, stop being an edgelord, and stop obsessing about imagined slights. The world doesn't owe him anything, and the reason why the larger community wants nothing to do with him has nothing to do with politics, but rather because he is a downright miserable human being. Of course they don't want to hang around him or support him. It's downright childish to think that they even should.
He whinges and moans about how Wizards won't invite him to the Community Cup or give him previews, or blacklist him from being listed as a content creator on their site. Any half-sane person would see that he flipped WotC off in a video he made, jokes about rape, used an image proclaiming Rosewater is a pedophile and sexual predator for a video, insults their employees by name, and constantly screams and bemoans how Wizards is destroying Magic. In what sane world would a corporation even acknowledge said person, let alone in a positive light?
Ah, thought this was in reference to Jeremy talking about suing Sprankle for defamation, which he has actually has fielded.
Carry on.
I honestly find it patently ridiculous that anybody thinks that Jeremy has a case against Sprankle at all, particularly for Defemation. Defamation (in this case Libel) requires the person to make a statement that is untrue, and cause damages to be incurred because of it. The fundamental problem is that there is a good deal of evidence that Jeremy has been harassing Sprankle, up to and after Sprankle made her announcement.
From November 16th, for instance, he made an unprovoked tweet about her, deriding her appearance, and involving her (by name, no less) in his arguments surrounding why Spike being female was bad; there was really no reason he had to dig Sprankle into this, and there was no impetus for it.
https://twitter.com/mtgheadquarters/status/931189044905742338
He also derided her for appearing at Grand Prix, once again unprovoked:
https://twitter.com/UnsleevedMedia/status/928005024474681345
He seems to have a very big personal problem with Sprankle, and is more than will to make it very public, even though there appears to be no impetus for it. While it may not seem like the biggest deal, the severity doesn't particularly matter here. He made unprovoked statements that derided and harassed her under any reasonable definition of the word. It is not enough for her to do anything to him, but it is certainly enough to indicate that her statement was not a total fabrication as he has claimed and discredits his claim that the only time he said anything about her was 6 months ago in one video (which is demonstrably untrue).
Couple that with what he said in the past, the videos he put out, and his actions and statements after about her (Calling her a prostitute, ****, drama-queen, etc.), and he has more or less torpedo'd any chance in hell he has of convincing a sane court that Christine was lying when she put out her statement as to why she was leaving. Part of defamation, as I said, is that the person is making it up. Unfortunately for Jeremy, he seems to have had a long-standing problem with Sprankle, which he has vocalized recently in derogatory manners on his public platforms. It certainly does not help him any further that Christine has remained rather quiet since her statement, and has not been leading the efforts at all to have him removed.
The second problem with defamation cases is that unless you can prove that the person was acting maliciously, you are pretty much relegated to the realm of actual empirical damages that have stemmed from the statement. Lost wages, lost revenue, etc. Just having your character damaged isn't enough to sue for libel if there were no actual real-world damages incurred. The problem is, one could argue that this mess has actually *helped* him, as he has seen viewer-spikes and seems to be gaining subscribers (Although he had a minor drop early on).
Jeremy has honestly done no favors for himself with his tactics and style, and if he is dumb enough to try and bring this to court he is going to learn a very harsh lesson that being an edgelord and ****lord does have consequences. In this case, he would likely go bankrupt trying to win a case he will inevitably lose, and likely be forced to pay for Christine's court costs in the process. There is a very good reason why corporations push everything through a legal team before making a statement, and why Lawyers advise their clients to not comment on a case they are involved in until the suit is over.
In other words:
You are allowed your opinions.
You are allowed to voice your opinions.
If you decide tuat the best means of voicing your opinion is to be a complete childish ***, do not be surprised when people treat you like a complete childish ***. You are not being persecuted for political beliefs, you are being put in a corner because you are a child who cannot act like an adult.
The fundamental problem with rightist personalities in the modern day is that they have pushed the concept of being an intentional ass as a fundamental tennet of their ideology. Jeremy revels in being an insulting troll who makes rape jokes. He full admits to being an edgelord who intentionally trolls people for the lulz. Why should thos behavior be rewarded?
There are plenty of calm, rational conservative personalities out there. They get eclipsed, however, by people like Jeremy whom intentionally inflame situations and people. It should be no small wonder to any reasonable person, regardless of political leaning, why Jeremy is not supported. It has little to do with his message, and everything to do with his tactics amd approach. Perhaps if edgelords would support the calm, rational sorts instead of people like Jeremy, you would see a bit of a different relationship emerge.
Even still, Wizards has no obligation to give abyone a platform, or associate themselves with any specific person. Wizards wamts to present themselves as being inclusive, and are trying to shed the nerd stereotype. In what world would any organization trying to do that associate themselves with someone whom loudly, and angrily, bemoans this as destroying the game, and how representing females on a card is destroying the game, or calls other content creators prostitutes? Hell, in what world would any company or organization freely associate and prop up someone whom actively despises your current direction, and spews crap constantly about it?
It is asinine to think Wizards should associate with him. We do not reward the Eric Cartmans of the world for being Eric Cartman. Eric Cartman isn't hated because people are jealous of him or disagree with him. Eric Cartman is hated because hr is a whiny brat whom intentionally makes other peoples lives miserable. If you intentionally make other people's lives moserable for the sake of making them miserable, you should not be surprised when others want nothing to do with you.
The problem is that Jeremy was smart enough to delete a lot ofnthe offending content before this blew up massively on social media sites. I normally wouldn't give much creedence to this argument, except that in this case I personnally read some of the tweets he put out recently that have been deleted. Take that as you will, but for me at least, I read enough to know that Christine is honest on this one, To be blunt, Jeremy has made a concerted effort to remove the proof that he was harassing her inorder for him to sell his victimhood complex to people who were not paying attention.
Jeremy is playing the professional victim here, and when he gets called out he proclaims he is being treated unfairly, amd manipulates people like you into it by appealing to common sense rhetoric (wheres the proof?!) while simultaneously removing his contebt that was the proof.
And then we finally get to the end result, where people are justifying his terrible behavior because they honestly believe he is the "real" victim.
Christine Sprankle made one comment at the start of this in why she was leaving. One. She is not playing the victim at all, and the narrative that she is is just plain idiotic. She has stayed out of this mess since it started. The only one playing thenvictim here is Jeremy. And Jeremy is a child whindoes not want consequences for saying some teulybqretched things, so he convinces hapless individuals like yourself that Christine is being a professional victim here. Meanwhile Jeremy has been spring boarded by multiple well-known youtubers, his video viewership has gone through the roof by being springboarded, and he is even promoting people selling shirts with his likeness. He is using this to create a brand, and has brought up his Patreon on multiple occasions. Christine, contrary to the bullocks spewed by Jeremy, never even mentioned her Patreon in any of her posts. At all.