O stone is just a middle ground between ugin and mindslaver. It's slightly faster than ugin but not by much. I rarely play it on turns 3-5 because I usually have better things to do with my mana on those turns. O-stone lock isnt great either since for 2 mana more you can straight up win the game with a slaver. I could see 2 to increase the likelihood of drawing it, but 3 is way too many imo
cutting any amounts of thirst is wrong. It's what makes mediocre and bad hands keepable, and we all know how bad this deck mulls. It's like saying death shadow isn't good in the opener, therefore death shadow decks shouldnt play the whole set
Went 3-1 at 18player fnm Tournament on friday "protect the queen" blue tron. aka 4 Platinum Angels with spellskite, chalice and pact of negation.
win vs Jund
win vs Reanimator
win vs grixis shadow
loss vs humans
Some pictures and mini reports on top foreach round at instagramm: meddling_kids
Is this your crazy list with Padeems from ages ago? I played a few games with that list before and my opponent tried to flickerwisp my angel to win with padeem out
No way gr tron is close to 40:60. Maybe before ulamog and world breaker. There are like 5 GR tron players at my local, and so i prettu much play against it every week. Shok, Pie and a whole bunch of other mtgo grinders report a 25-30% winrate against the deck.
Its true that Merfolk arent as bad as it used to be, but its still unfavorable. I haven't played against it in a long time, but dismembers, and spatials did improve the matchup by a lot.
Dredge is the same as affinity, and burn. Very coinflippy and there so many variables that are out of your control.
My point is that the deck gets gatekept by a lot of decks that aren't that uncommon.
p.s
The deck can also have outside the game issues that don't make it GP friendly such as going to time, opponent slow rolling, not scooping to slaverlock, fatigue due to long games with not much time between rounds, etc
Having some 20% winrate matchups like gx tron, merfolk, and dredge that aren't exactly fringe decks really hurts u tron's GP performances
We also don't have that many "free win" hands. The best we have is a fast chalice and maybe a t3 wurmcoil, which arent that great compared to the godhands of other decks like burn, affinity, gx tron, eldrazi tron etc
Or, does it seem like the deck is inconsistent because we have anecdotal evidence coming from an overly verbal and inexperienced base of players?
Take this with a pinch of sugar, but this statement sums up the last 20 pages or so perfectly. The platinum angel argument is good proof of ancedotal evidence. The deck is incredibly consistent, bad hands and draws happen to every deck. Burn dies brutally when it floods or gets mana screwed, but it's still one of the most consistent decks.
Sometimes you must take a step back in order to take two forward, but some of the advice popping up are detrimental to the deck and the big grinders either aren't here anymore or are tires of repeating themselves over and over.
All those points are valid, but when you compare it to snapcaster, the bird looks pretty lackluster. Snapcaster is just far more powerful and versatile.
okoSheep do u squeeze Silent Arbiter in ur Main or SB?
How important is Spreading Seas for all of u?
I cut mine recently to get some more Negate amd Gravehate insted.
currently my sb is:
2 chalice (1 main)
2 extraction
1 gravediggers cage
2 negate
1 mindbreak trap
2 ...uh forgot the name bottlegnome-solemn-fox
2 dismember
1 spaical (2main)
2 hyrcals recall
i run 1 in the side, i might go up to 2 depending on my store
spreading seas are okay, 2 in the sb is fine. 4 is way too many, you just don't have enough things to take out for it
Anticipate is a superior serum visons for us because our issue isn't manacost, but U mana. I dont think nimble bird is good because neither of its modes is what we're looking for.
If Remands are bad for you right now, replace them with mana leaks, spatials or anything else with similiar cmc. Snapcaster might actually be the best option. The deck is actually very consistent because TFK and Condescend are OP. If that isn't enough for you, jam a Gifts in there just for value. I think what you're actually looking for is speed or ways to stablize against fast decks. Silent Arbiter is an MVP for me in that regard. I call it baby the Platinum Angel. You can even run dumb cards like Steel Wall
They never had a decent matchup against us. If anything, they got better at the matchup. We just have too many threats, and too many answers to their things. Relic destroys their snapcaster shenanigans, and their paths and verdicts don't do much against Koth/Stormbreath.
Our hastey boys dunk on gideon if they ever tap out for it
cutting any amounts of thirst is wrong. It's what makes mediocre and bad hands keepable, and we all know how bad this deck mulls. It's like saying death shadow isn't good in the opener, therefore death shadow decks shouldnt play the whole set
Is this your crazy list with Padeems from ages ago? I played a few games with that list before and my opponent tried to flickerwisp my angel to win with padeem out
pie shared a spreadsheet, and theres a video on his youtube channel where he shows anothet spreadsheet that includes multiple players, including shok. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRg9VaC08KmqPJBfqqzNF9TmtTwJyPsXMoyPWTWrw7GXk9DWFsz52Um7Vic5QepcZMyykDaU9BTdpu7/pubhtml?gid=1901420698&single=true
I remember playing 1of this with tons of dragons and reckoners
Its true that Merfolk arent as bad as it used to be, but its still unfavorable. I haven't played against it in a long time, but dismembers, and spatials did improve the matchup by a lot.
Dredge is the same as affinity, and burn. Very coinflippy and there so many variables that are out of your control.
My point is that the deck gets gatekept by a lot of decks that aren't that uncommon.
p.s
The deck can also have outside the game issues that don't make it GP friendly such as going to time, opponent slow rolling, not scooping to slaverlock, fatigue due to long games with not much time between rounds, etc
We also don't have that many "free win" hands. The best we have is a fast chalice and maybe a t3 wurmcoil, which arent that great compared to the godhands of other decks like burn, affinity, gx tron, eldrazi tron etc
Take this with a pinch of sugar, but this statement sums up the last 20 pages or so perfectly. The platinum angel argument is good proof of ancedotal evidence. The deck is incredibly consistent, bad hands and draws happen to every deck. Burn dies brutally when it floods or gets mana screwed, but it's still one of the most consistent decks.
Sometimes you must take a step back in order to take two forward, but some of the advice popping up are detrimental to the deck and the big grinders either aren't here anymore or are tires of repeating themselves over and over.
i run 1 in the side, i might go up to 2 depending on my store
spreading seas are okay, 2 in the sb is fine. 4 is way too many, you just don't have enough things to take out for it
If Remands are bad for you right now, replace them with mana leaks, spatials or anything else with similiar cmc. Snapcaster might actually be the best option. The deck is actually very consistent because TFK and Condescend are OP. If that isn't enough for you, jam a Gifts in there just for value. I think what you're actually looking for is speed or ways to stablize against fast decks. Silent Arbiter is an MVP for me in that regard. I call it baby the Platinum Angel. You can even run dumb cards like Steel Wall
Our hastey boys dunk on gideon if they ever tap out for it
its supposed to be an almost exact copy of shoks list
http://f2fseries.facetofacegames.com/vancouver-open-january-20th-2018/