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Quote from Jason Justis »Am I the only one who noticed that the loyalty abilities aren't ordered from biggest '+' annuit ability down to the biggest '-' ability like they normally do? Almost all planeswalkers followed this pattern. Just seems strange.
Quote from Gashnaw II »Quote from Dunharrow »Quote from Hermes_ »NEW SWORD! I WANT! Sword of Truth and Justice oh how I wish they could have reprinted the whole cycle of x and y swords. They have never printed all 5 swords in one set.... they will definitely break up the cycle over 2-3 sets. I think it would be cool if we got a second one, maybe Sword of Black and Red or Green and Red. How would you rank the swords (for commander)? Fire and Ice Feast and Famine Light and Shadow Truth and Justice Body and Mind War and Peace Though truth and justice could easily be higher if built around. Yes however, this is not a core set. There is a good chance they will print all 5 in this set (They may also use it just to fill the rare slots easier, plus if they released a new sword in a core set, that would mean that while modern has access to all, the standard player peasant will never have had a chance to use the sword of Truth and Justice. The sword were previously released in core sets so we might have a different outcome this time. I would like to have all 5 come out in Horizons since the while point of a set is to give modern a bunch of new cards. (Even with the nice things we have, Horizons is not a commander set. The cards we are censoreding over are the rare ones.
Quote from Dunharrow »Quote from Hermes_ »NEW SWORD! I WANT! Sword of Truth and Justice oh how I wish they could have reprinted the whole cycle of x and y swords. They have never printed all 5 swords in one set.... they will definitely break up the cycle over 2-3 sets. I think it would be cool if we got a second one, maybe Sword of Black and Red or Green and Red. How would you rank the swords (for commander)? Fire and Ice Feast and Famine Light and Shadow Truth and Justice Body and Mind War and Peace Though truth and justice could easily be higher if built around.
Quote from Hermes_ »NEW SWORD! I WANT! Sword of Truth and Justice oh how I wish they could have reprinted the whole cycle of x and y swords.
Quote from asmallcat »I guess if you want a 3rd big colorless PW, this is your guy, but the ramp is pretty narrow and being on a six drop feels very meh to me. So it's really all about the other 2 abilities, and the removal leaves him very vulnerable and can randomly miss some threats, and the 2/2 draw a card when it dies feels very good but 6 mana is a lot. I like new Lili at 6 more than this guy. Edit - that +1 is gonna create some annoying memory issues since you have to track which card is tied to which spirit. I guess you just use the face-down card as the token. Also, since it sounds like you can only look at each card once, and then you're gonna have to remember which card is better and which token you want to block with.
Quote from BlackWaltz3 »This is pushed so hard. Great tempo play regardless based on just the pushed stats and flying alone and I can think of quite a few decks I would happily run this in. I mean off the top of my head Chart a Course....you're probably drawing 4 and discarding 1 for 2U Staggershock 8 damage over two turns split in 4 increments of two for 2RR Fiery Confluence is 12 to the face (Or a wrath + damage) for 2RRRR Fractured Identity for 3 with a copy in hand? Gross.
Quote from Flisch »Minor nitpick incoming: I don't like how the eternals are handled in this set artwise. I mean, they were created from the cream of the crop of Amonkhet, from a culture entirely devoted to perfecting various martial arts and combat styles. And they get consistently owned in art by run of the mill Boros legionnaires, wurms, trolls and even vines? What the...
Quote from Taleran »Quote from Pollaski »Just to make sure I'm right on the rules here- this trigger happens on cast, right? I get that if it gets countered, it goes to the graveyard, because it never resolved. But once that cast trigger goes on the stack, as long as the spell resolves, you're getting it back, no matter what happens to Feather, right? That is how the trigger reads to me.
Quote from Pollaski »Just to make sure I'm right on the rules here- this trigger happens on cast, right? I get that if it gets countered, it goes to the graveyard, because it never resolved. But once that cast trigger goes on the stack, as long as the spell resolves, you're getting it back, no matter what happens to Feather, right?
Quote from theMarc »Quote from CalvinSchwa »Quote from FunkyDragon »Quote from Stoogeslap »Naive question alert: Why, outside of Zendikar blocks, don't they just call it "landfall?" Is it because it would push the card into evergreen territory and WotC R&D doesn't want it to be an evergreen keyword?It's a good question. The name is self-descriptive, and they would still spell out the trigger, so it's not like it would make things hard for noobs. And they use it often enough to warrant being deciduous (if not evergreen).I think it's a signalling problem. This is already a super complex set (as planeswalkers at uncommon will do...), which I imagine helped contribute to the whole 'two named mechanics' thing. For a new player being introduced to Magic, there's already so many things to learn -- another mechanic, even a self-descriptive one, might be too much. They always talk about how they got complaints about Mercadian Masques not having mechanics, despite having a bunch of them (Rebels, Mercenaries, and Spellshapers as the most visible) -- because they didn't explicitly have ability words attached to them, so they were just seen as individual cards. Players' understanding of the set, at least at the time, didn't become centered around the abilities (despite the 4 full cycles of Spellshapers, or 30ish Rebels/Mercenaries). Compare to today: someone bringing up, say, Amonkhet, would probably mention Embalm / Eternalize, exert, cycling, or even -1/-1 counters, before they would mention the Cartouche/Trial double cycle or the Desert mechanics, even though there's a relatively comparable number of Deserts to exert cards (across both sets, 19 to 28, with 10 to 0 cards without the mechanic that call it out by name eg "if you control a desert..."). With that in mind, I'm assuming this is a deliberate attempt to go in the other direction -- to not provide that cohesive unity. If a new player sees a cool ability involving proliferate and land drops, they may or may not get the card, but either way they can move on until it comes up in game. If they see something labeled 'landfall', though, that's an indication that they should remember and learn that term, and look out for it in other places in the set -- when, in fact, landfall isn't even a deliberate theme of Ravnica and just happens to come up on one or two cards.I don't see how it would be worse than, say, Kaladesh only having one creature with prowess, or Eldritch Moon only having one card mention double strike.
Quote from CalvinSchwa »Quote from FunkyDragon »Quote from Stoogeslap »Naive question alert: Why, outside of Zendikar blocks, don't they just call it "landfall?" Is it because it would push the card into evergreen territory and WotC R&D doesn't want it to be an evergreen keyword?It's a good question. The name is self-descriptive, and they would still spell out the trigger, so it's not like it would make things hard for noobs. And they use it often enough to warrant being deciduous (if not evergreen).I think it's a signalling problem. This is already a super complex set (as planeswalkers at uncommon will do...), which I imagine helped contribute to the whole 'two named mechanics' thing. For a new player being introduced to Magic, there's already so many things to learn -- another mechanic, even a self-descriptive one, might be too much. They always talk about how they got complaints about Mercadian Masques not having mechanics, despite having a bunch of them (Rebels, Mercenaries, and Spellshapers as the most visible) -- because they didn't explicitly have ability words attached to them, so they were just seen as individual cards. Players' understanding of the set, at least at the time, didn't become centered around the abilities (despite the 4 full cycles of Spellshapers, or 30ish Rebels/Mercenaries). Compare to today: someone bringing up, say, Amonkhet, would probably mention Embalm / Eternalize, exert, cycling, or even -1/-1 counters, before they would mention the Cartouche/Trial double cycle or the Desert mechanics, even though there's a relatively comparable number of Deserts to exert cards (across both sets, 19 to 28, with 10 to 0 cards without the mechanic that call it out by name eg "if you control a desert..."). With that in mind, I'm assuming this is a deliberate attempt to go in the other direction -- to not provide that cohesive unity. If a new player sees a cool ability involving proliferate and land drops, they may or may not get the card, but either way they can move on until it comes up in game. If they see something labeled 'landfall', though, that's an indication that they should remember and learn that term, and look out for it in other places in the set -- when, in fact, landfall isn't even a deliberate theme of Ravnica and just happens to come up on one or two cards.
Quote from FunkyDragon »Quote from Stoogeslap »Naive question alert: Why, outside of Zendikar blocks, don't they just call it "landfall?" Is it because it would push the card into evergreen territory and WotC R&D doesn't want it to be an evergreen keyword?It's a good question. The name is self-descriptive, and they would still spell out the trigger, so it's not like it would make things hard for noobs. And they use it often enough to warrant being deciduous (if not evergreen).
Quote from Stoogeslap »Naive question alert: Why, outside of Zendikar blocks, don't they just call it "landfall?" Is it because it would push the card into evergreen territory and WotC R&D doesn't want it to be an evergreen keyword?
Quote from LucidVision »As someone that was hyped and thoroughly dissapointed by prophetic flamespeaker, I expect this card to not be good enough. In an agressive deck, it absolutely requires a bunch of 1 cmc spells to be good enough, and might force you to sequence your spells in a way you don't want. Connecting on your opponent isn't a trivial task... and the magical christmas land of throwing equipment on this and getting a fact or fiction is going to be very rare. There will be shells where this card is a very solid playable in, but many shells where it's the first card you cut from your deck. I don't think the upside justifies the narrowness, but it's close and I could be wrong.
Quote from Impossible »Quote from KamikazeArchon »You really don't need to be able to cast everything in your deck. You just need a decent chance to cast most things in your deck. Things this does: - Bypasses counterspells. - Gives flash. - Grants card selection. - Fixes mana costs. - Bypasses additional costs. For all that upside, you get the chance you might whiff. That chance can be lowered by deck construction. And if you don't want that chance at all, topdeck manipulation is quite easy these days, with Scry being evergreen, Surveil being currently in Standard, and a variety of other one-off topdeck tricks existing. Whether this is highly played will depend on what lives around it, but it certainly seems to have potential.Okay then, in Standard, at what cost do you think it's correct to start activating this? 3 seems ambitious. 4 is pretty borderline. 5? Is the plan to play this on 2 and then just wait 3 turns for any payoff? CoCo this is not.
Quote from KamikazeArchon »You really don't need to be able to cast everything in your deck. You just need a decent chance to cast most things in your deck. Things this does: - Bypasses counterspells. - Gives flash. - Grants card selection. - Fixes mana costs. - Bypasses additional costs. For all that upside, you get the chance you might whiff. That chance can be lowered by deck construction. And if you don't want that chance at all, topdeck manipulation is quite easy these days, with Scry being evergreen, Surveil being currently in Standard, and a variety of other one-off topdeck tricks existing. Whether this is highly played will depend on what lives around it, but it certainly seems to have potential.
Quote from Raptorchan »Also why not just Davriel Cane and Teyo Verada as well?
Quote from SilverWolf_27 »So, is there a way to break the Ghostform? It resets walkers, so it certainly gives some Saheeli Cat vibes...
Quote from Flamebuster »Aww and here I thought the hat lady would've been Pauline from Super Mario Odyssey Another 'walker where the - abilities leave a remainder of 1 loyalty Maybe The Wanderer and Tibalt ought to get a room or something to pass the time if they're just gonna stand around and do nothing after. Edit: Still good abilities nonetheless. 'buster