I am Winston Churchill, vanilla town.
I led Britain against Hitler during WWII, was friends with Franklyn Roosevelt, and now must lead Britain once again to victory.
Just a check-in post before Shabbat begins. I'll make a real post after Shabbat ends, in about 25 hours. Until then, I'd just like to wish our Mod an easy and speedy recovery, and to everyone else, a peaceful day.
These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch. But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them. The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die. I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
Would you mind explaining why you don't want to die without revealing information about your role?
That's not why I don't want to die. I don't want to die because I'm enjoying the game. If I were brought to claim-range I would obviously claim.
Also, I'd like to make it clear that I still believe EtR is scum. It's only in his last few posts that he's felt less scummy. I do however still support this lynch.
Uhm... I added the role information at the end of the question so that you didn't mistakenly give out any role information. I did not say nor mean that your role was the reason why you didn't want to die... I'm not sure you purposely misrepresented what I said or you truly believe that I meant your role was the reason for being However, you're response was more telling about you than what I was expecting.
You just went from calling Eron's post "sincere" to "less scummy than before". And you also said "I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch" which shows you believe Eron to be town in that statement, but then say "I support his lynch". You've also waffled quiet a bit on Eron as well.
Unvote Vote: LoT
Please list your top suspects with reasoning.
I totally read that part about role information wrong. Now I see what you meant there. My response about not wanting to die still stands though.
EtR's posts looking sincere is why he seems less scummy than before. I haven't changed my position on EtR because it's going to take more than a few good posts to outweigh what preceded them. In other words, I went from being something like 90% sure EtR is scum to being around 80%. It doesn't make EtR not scum, it makes me a little less certain. 80% is pretty sure, but not so sure that I don't fear the outcome if I'm wrong.
My top suspect is EtR still, and the reasoning is still the case on Rhand and the response to criticism of that case.
These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch. But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them. The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die. I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
Would you mind explaining why you don't want to die without revealing information about your role?
That's not why I don't want to die. I don't want to die because I'm enjoying the game. If I were brought to claim-range I would obviously claim.
Also, I'd like to make it clear that I still believe EtR is scum. It's only in his last few posts that he's felt less scummy. I do however still support this lynch.
These last few posts from EtR feel so sincere, I'm a little afraid of the outcome of this lynch. But in a sense, EtR himself is keeping my vote on him. He's right in saying that we have no other clear suspects. Certainly nobody with a great case made against them. The only thing in the past few posts from EtR that I don't like is him saying that it would be okay if I died, but I think that's just because I don't want to die. I'm not sure what my point really is here, as I've been drinking a bit tonight, but mostly I just wanted to put it out there that the last few posts from EtR are making me a bit nervous.
The request for a name claim came from Seppel. Seeing as Seppel entered the game by vigging scum, and scum that nobody was looking into at the moment at that, I would say that Seppel is as close to confirmed town as we're going to get at the moment. So at this point I take a request from Seppel as a request from town.
You are very eager to know why you are name-claiming, but not interested enough to refuse Seppel. Why are you so interested in appeasing the request of one person?
Because the request came from town, so complying is helping a townie to further their understanding of the game. That can only help the town. I'm eager to know why simply because it bothers me that people are seeing things that I'm not, and it's a bit frustrating to me that I can't figure it out.
I'd like you to name-claim as well, given I can guess Seppel's reasoning for asking.
Also, expand on why you think you name-claiming justifies a mass name-claim.
I suppose you and Seppel are aware of something that I'm not, as I can't really understand Seppel's reasoning for asking me to claim. As for a mass claim, I think that if I understood better why I'm specifically being asked to claim, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with being the only one to claim. But to me it seems that if some useful information can be gleaned from a name-claim from me, that same information could be gained concerning every player if there were a mass claim.
2.It's your low number of posts, and nothing I can find points to you being very likely to be town. Your low number of posts reduces the chances that something like that can happen.
1. I'm not really into the idea of claiming right now unless you can expand on your reasoning for asking me to. Also, if I'm going to name-claim, we might as well have a mass name-claim.
2. I suppose I understand the low number of posts thing. I would be weary of someone who intentionally tried to avoid posting in order to avoid drawing attention to themselves. Is this the only "anti-town" or "scummy" thing I've done though? This is less a question relevant to the game, and more for my own education.
I don't know. With Hitler being town, flavor gaming is nearly impossible. Also not fun. I don't know if the claim really changes anything. I won't unvote, as I'm still pretty certain we've caught scum. We'll see, I suppose.
Also, Seppel, why am I on your scum shortlist? Is it my low number of posts? Is that generally considered scummy?
Sorry again for the distance between my posts. I wish I had a good excuse, but really I just need to be more involved, and remember to check the game more often. I assume about once daily would be a step in the right direction. A bit of a side note on that topic, I cannot post on Shabbat, that being Friday sundown to Saturday at sundown, as using electronics on Shabbat is forbidden by Jewish law. So at least once a week I will have to be absent for about 25 hours. However, from now on, I will do my best to post at least once every other day of the week.
More on topic, thank you Seppel for the advice, but I fear that if I tried to ask every single other player a question, some of the questions would be less relevant and only serve to distract from the more important or useful questions. I would like to pose a few questions, and make some observations, but I'm going to stick to the most current, relevant, and pressing matters.
First of all, @Vox: You said in post #325 that Lenon is "either town or was getting bussed due to being painfully obvious new scum at the time."
Which of those options do you believe to be more likely? And if you believe that Lennon was being bussed, why not pursue that as a scum-catching opportunity?
@Wessel: In post #327, you said "Also, Seppel, if you're a town dayvig, setupwise it's unlikely there would be a Serial Killer. So no need to fear me."
This looks to me like an attempt to imply that as far as your alignment is concerned, the only options are SK and town. I know that most people wouldn't want to make a post insinuating that they could be scum, but in reality, as far as other townies are concerned, anyone could be scum. So, basically, if this post isn't an attempt to subtly imply that the only options present exclude you being scum, why say it at all? In other words, if you weren't trying to manipulate people into believing that you can't be scum, what were you trying to do?
@EtR: Post #333. Obviously it's already been mentioned, but the readiness with which you give in to Seppel's case against you is deeply troubling in my eyes. To me it seems that a member of the town would argue to the last vote against a lynch of themselves, as we need to keep townies alive in order to win. By giving up, you're allowing the scum a mislynch that they need for them to win. Why not try to defend yourself? Even if it seems futile, you should still do it in the hope that you will be able to convince others not to lynch you. Even if you can never change Seppel's mind, without support from other players, Seppel alone cannot lynch you. Well, in this case, that's somewhat false, as Seppel can day-vig you, but the point still stands.
On the slightly heated exchange between Vox and Mr. Santorum: First of all, please try to remember that this is a game. Try to have fun, and not to get so angry about things. That being said, Santorum's reaction to a somewhat tedious, yet basic and I'd assume commonly acceptable request seems to be disproportional. That is to say, it seems to me that even if I didn't see the value in commenting on everyone on the list, I would still offer some comments for each, as it was a direct request of a specific player. Normally that isn't done simply as an exercise in wasting time. Although it turned out that Vox was in a way attempting to make Santorum comment on more players than Vox was actually interested in hearing about, it shouldn't have gone so far without Santorum offering some comment other than a refusal to comment(which fittingly, is exactly the reaction I would expect from the actual Rick Santorum :P). So @Rick Santorum: Why are you so reluctant to offer your opinion on the players listed? Or are you really that opposed to the idea of typing a few lines of text at the request of another player?
Finally, @Mod, a votecount would be really nice to see, when you have a moment to post one. Thanks.
Hey everyone, sorry for the extended absence. Sickness is bad, but Israeli healthcare is often worse.
Things to comment on:
Obviously, Captain flipping scum changes things. I'm not well versed enough in mafia, and more specifically, in behavior analysis to really know how to even begin to react to someone dying, and what their alignment then allows us to conclude about other players.
Something I can be sure of, however, is how depressingly bad EtR's case on Rhand is. I suppose it could just be a case of really awful tunnel vision, and EtR really does think Rhand is scum, and is trying too hard to justify that, but to me it seems more that EtR is doing his(?) best to find anything at all to convince everyone to lynch Rhand. It looks to me as if EtR is just throwing out anything he(?) can think of, and hoping that something sticks. I'm more than a little concerned by that behavior. And so, I'm going to go ahead and Vote: EtR.
I unfortunately don't have many other leads or strong reads on other players at this point. I just have a hard time knowing whether someone seems genuine or not through text. My only real mafia experience is with games played in person, where reading someone is much more about physical clues, and less focusing on things like how they word things.
Also, welcome to the game Seppel. Not really a big Hitler fan, but I'll try to be nice.
I don't like the narrow mindedness that you are showing towards swishh. You're pushing a scum mind set onto swishh based on a post that is more null than anything else. On top of your narrow mindedness you are not supplying a sufficient answer to why it is a scum mind set and would rather use sarcasm than actually answer and then when pressured a little more you give an answer, that while could be indicative of a scum mind set, you refuse to acknowledge that swishh is inexperienced and/or a newb here.
This makes your vote and conviction towards swishh weak and shows that either you are not thinking things through or you're simply pushing swishh as an easy target. (Low hanging fruit... again)
Since that post from swishh have seen anything other posts from swishh that makes you question his alignment?
To be honest, I haven't really been playing the past few days since I've been sick. The game's developed a lot, and I've only been answering posts directed toward me.
Whether or not swishh is new, I didn't like that post, in the context of the game as it was a few days ago. Now, I have to really catch up to keep my reads current, and my vote may or may not stand where it is. The climate is different, and that post may not stand out as much in light of any new developments. Basically, I need to re-read, and catch up.
I am Winston Churchill, vanilla town.
I led Britain against Hitler during WWII, was friends with Franklyn Roosevelt, and now must lead Britain once again to victory.
I totally read that part about role information wrong. Now I see what you meant there. My response about not wanting to die still stands though.
EtR's posts looking sincere is why he seems less scummy than before. I haven't changed my position on EtR because it's going to take more than a few good posts to outweigh what preceded them. In other words, I went from being something like 90% sure EtR is scum to being around 80%. It doesn't make EtR not scum, it makes me a little less certain. 80% is pretty sure, but not so sure that I don't fear the outcome if I'm wrong.
My top suspect is EtR still, and the reasoning is still the case on Rhand and the response to criticism of that case.
That's not why I don't want to die. I don't want to die because I'm enjoying the game. If I were brought to claim-range I would obviously claim.
Also, I'd like to make it clear that I still believe EtR is scum. It's only in his last few posts that he's felt less scummy. I do however still support this lynch.
Because the request came from town, so complying is helping a townie to further their understanding of the game. That can only help the town. I'm eager to know why simply because it bothers me that people are seeing things that I'm not, and it's a bit frustrating to me that I can't figure it out.
B'seder. My character is Winston Churchill. Am I going to be let in on why I'm claiming though?
I suppose you and Seppel are aware of something that I'm not, as I can't really understand Seppel's reasoning for asking me to claim. As for a mass claim, I think that if I understood better why I'm specifically being asked to claim, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with being the only one to claim. But to me it seems that if some useful information can be gleaned from a name-claim from me, that same information could be gained concerning every player if there were a mass claim.
1. I'm not really into the idea of claiming right now unless you can expand on your reasoning for asking me to. Also, if I'm going to name-claim, we might as well have a mass name-claim.
2. I suppose I understand the low number of posts thing. I would be weary of someone who intentionally tried to avoid posting in order to avoid drawing attention to themselves. Is this the only "anti-town" or "scummy" thing I've done though? This is less a question relevant to the game, and more for my own education.
Also, Seppel, why am I on your scum shortlist? Is it my low number of posts? Is that generally considered scummy?
More on topic, thank you Seppel for the advice, but I fear that if I tried to ask every single other player a question, some of the questions would be less relevant and only serve to distract from the more important or useful questions. I would like to pose a few questions, and make some observations, but I'm going to stick to the most current, relevant, and pressing matters.
First of all, @Vox: You said in post #325 that Lenon is "either town or was getting bussed due to being painfully obvious new scum at the time."
Which of those options do you believe to be more likely? And if you believe that Lennon was being bussed, why not pursue that as a scum-catching opportunity?
@Wessel: In post #327, you said "Also, Seppel, if you're a town dayvig, setupwise it's unlikely there would be a Serial Killer. So no need to fear me."
This looks to me like an attempt to imply that as far as your alignment is concerned, the only options are SK and town. I know that most people wouldn't want to make a post insinuating that they could be scum, but in reality, as far as other townies are concerned, anyone could be scum. So, basically, if this post isn't an attempt to subtly imply that the only options present exclude you being scum, why say it at all? In other words, if you weren't trying to manipulate people into believing that you can't be scum, what were you trying to do?
@EtR: Post #333. Obviously it's already been mentioned, but the readiness with which you give in to Seppel's case against you is deeply troubling in my eyes. To me it seems that a member of the town would argue to the last vote against a lynch of themselves, as we need to keep townies alive in order to win. By giving up, you're allowing the scum a mislynch that they need for them to win. Why not try to defend yourself? Even if it seems futile, you should still do it in the hope that you will be able to convince others not to lynch you. Even if you can never change Seppel's mind, without support from other players, Seppel alone cannot lynch you. Well, in this case, that's somewhat false, as Seppel can day-vig you, but the point still stands.
On the slightly heated exchange between Vox and Mr. Santorum: First of all, please try to remember that this is a game. Try to have fun, and not to get so angry about things. That being said, Santorum's reaction to a somewhat tedious, yet basic and I'd assume commonly acceptable request seems to be disproportional. That is to say, it seems to me that even if I didn't see the value in commenting on everyone on the list, I would still offer some comments for each, as it was a direct request of a specific player. Normally that isn't done simply as an exercise in wasting time. Although it turned out that Vox was in a way attempting to make Santorum comment on more players than Vox was actually interested in hearing about, it shouldn't have gone so far without Santorum offering some comment other than a refusal to comment(which fittingly, is exactly the reaction I would expect from the actual Rick Santorum :P). So @Rick Santorum: Why are you so reluctant to offer your opinion on the players listed? Or are you really that opposed to the idea of typing a few lines of text at the request of another player?
Finally, @Mod, a votecount would be really nice to see, when you have a moment to post one. Thanks.
Things to comment on:
Obviously, Captain flipping scum changes things. I'm not well versed enough in mafia, and more specifically, in behavior analysis to really know how to even begin to react to someone dying, and what their alignment then allows us to conclude about other players.
Something I can be sure of, however, is how depressingly bad EtR's case on Rhand is. I suppose it could just be a case of really awful tunnel vision, and EtR really does think Rhand is scum, and is trying too hard to justify that, but to me it seems more that EtR is doing his(?) best to find anything at all to convince everyone to lynch Rhand. It looks to me as if EtR is just throwing out anything he(?) can think of, and hoping that something sticks. I'm more than a little concerned by that behavior. And so, I'm going to go ahead and Vote: EtR.
I unfortunately don't have many other leads or strong reads on other players at this point. I just have a hard time knowing whether someone seems genuine or not through text. My only real mafia experience is with games played in person, where reading someone is much more about physical clues, and less focusing on things like how they word things.
Also, welcome to the game Seppel. Not really a big Hitler fan, but I'll try to be nice.
To be honest, I haven't really been playing the past few days since I've been sick. The game's developed a lot, and I've only been answering posts directed toward me.
Whether or not swishh is new, I didn't like that post, in the context of the game as it was a few days ago. Now, I have to really catch up to keep my reads current, and my vote may or may not stand where it is. The climate is different, and that post may not stand out as much in light of any new developments. Basically, I need to re-read, and catch up.