Now that we've ruled out at least one of the common possibilities, the app only shows 100% certain commons (well, maybe we should say 99%, weird things can happen) and now that we know where the commons are, we have an idea about where the rare card could be located.
If you have opened any of those 25% rare packs, that just narrows down your options. If you want to take it to the next level, you can use a digital scale on all of the packs that say 25% rare and only open the heaviest.
Anyone with the new version willing to run the data I added on page 25 through real quick and give me some hints on where foils may lurk?
I hate to even ask, because a favor like this that I literally can't repay makes me feel a bit schmuckish, but knowing Apple, it'll be a week+ before the version with foil data hits.
Well, it all works based off which foils you got and which packs definitely didn't contain a foil.
I haven't yet programmed the connection from uncommon to rare yet. (this is to be done on the server end, so by the time you get the update, it'll probably be able to tell you which packs most likely contain rares based off just one uncommon opened)
It does make a connection between the rares and commons though. Open a common and it will show you where the rare could be.
Also, where it shows 50% common. If you have opened any of those 50% common packs and they didn't contain a foil, then it will narrow down the commons to 100%
The <uncommon> is definitely going to be an uncommon. We don't have that area of the uncommon track complete yet, otherwise it would say what it will be.
edit: Also, forgot to mention, basic foil lands can appear on the uncommon track too.
Vinz, have you added this shuffling fixing to the app? Or should we post here and beg for your pattern expertise? I opened a gtc box not long ago and your app could not help me because it was too scrambled
Yes, the app currently handles all factory shifts. The only time you'll have problems now is if there are too many removals or packs moved in the box during shipment.
I'm going to eventually be adding some detection for packs moving. But in the meantime, let me know what you have.
I've just uploaded v1.2.1 which has data on foil card locations. The server collects foil card data from this version and is currently learning the foil card order. There are measures in place to make sure that the data being received is accurate, so don't worry if you just want to experiment with it.
The sleeve interface has changed, you can now enter sleeve data much faster.
The more foil data that gets entered into the program, the more accurate the results will be.
Android version is already in distribution, the iOS version should be hopefully soon. The nice thing is that the data gets processed by my server so updates to the foil cards happen immediately on both platforms.
I'm going to post the foil card lists here once they are completed and verified, along with all of the distribution information you might need so that anyone can map them.
Also once the data collection is complete I will hard code it into the app so it will no longer rely on internet access.
when i put it in your program the program thinks it has it figured, but the numbers on the left side of the screen all scrambled (The row heading) am I suppose to move the rows to match that?
No, just pretend like those numbers aren't there. I'm going to make that a little more clear in the next version.
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I've highlighted the two packs that you need to move. The bottom middle moves to the bottom right, the top right moves to the top middle. So it'll look like this:
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So I wanted to try out your program and see if it worked. I very excitedly bought a box today, unpacled it the way you showed. and was met with this pattern
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Now assuming the pattern is suppose to be vertical, whenever there is 2 or more of the same art in a row then something has been messed with. Well... they've almost all been messed with. There are the correct number of each art (7s and 8 of one) but they just seem completely jumbled. Is this the kind of jumbled box you talk about in your video? Do you think this will ever be solvable or just crack the box old school?
BTW I went out and bought a second box, it was in 100% perfect order right out of the box no row replacements no deletions nothing. Program worked like a charm and now I have 18 packs to draft with buddies. Very very cool work.
You had packs move around in the box. This is a very tricky one.
Take your bottom middle, slide it to the bottom right. Push everything up, take your extra pack now at the top right and slide it to the top middle.
Oh sorry, I've included them now. I realised that I was using the free app, I've just bought your app and I am going to try it again. I've opened Unexpected results (L1), Glaring spotlight (L2), Whispering Madness (m1), Thespian's Stage (m3), Luminate Primordial (M10)
Okay, it looks like this box is just fine. Aurelia's Fury should be in the r10 position, assuming we don't change track sequences.
So, is there any possibility of help with the sleeve map I posted? It's really confusing me and I'm not sure where to even start with this puzzle
Hi, I just set out to try this app for the first time. The app is unable to calculate anything after I input my sleeve map. Not sure what I can do from here:
Ok so i have cracked 2 boxes perfectly.. then i got 2 more.. and WHOa.. this things are beyond scrambled .. neither the app nor me have a clue on how to Unscramble this.. PLEASE HELP.
Ok, here's the last box I opened. I'm including the sleeve map, but NOT reordering it at all. This is exactly how it was in the box.
I don't have too much time right now to get into all of the foil specifics for this one box, so maybe someone can assist in the meantime.
But I'd just like to point out that this is coming in v1.2 (I've actually been working on the foils most of the day today - in addition to making a quick fix to the card price lookup feature. (v1.1.9 - which was uploaded today fixes the card price lookup crash that occured on some devices)
In this next version, the foil tab is going to make suggestions as to where the commons/uncommon/rares are. But then use cloud processing to suggest where specific foil cards might be located. As we find out more information, it'll immediately be updated in the cloud. This will allow iOS users to get more immediate updates, until we've solidified the foil tracks enough to make them a permanent fixture.
The nice thing about the app handling all of this is that you don't have to worry about counting the pack removals or following the row shifting. It'll all be done automatically.
Vinzito, I got the app and while I'm waiting for my boxes to arrive I was planning to start testing how the app works by mapping a box of GTC from random videos already on you tube. I did about 5 videos where guys just open a Box and although is tedious to watch half and hour just to get the sleeves order, at least its great to see the app predictions fall nicely until the end.
the app just cant figure out the mapping (the sleve map was done correctly as I checked twice) but after that when you try as little as 3-5 packs from wherever you want to start, it just says that it cant figure out the map.
Does the app needs more tweaking? Or is there something about the row swap or pack removal in this box that couldn't be predicted.
I looked at this one. It looks like the whole bottom row of that box (before any shifting happens) was completely wrong. Everything else lines up perfectly. So it looks like a factory glitch with those three packs.
I'm pretty sure we've got everything down 100%, it just comes down to the occasional factory hiccup. Anything with more than two pack removals will be a problem.
Someone reported back after opening 36 GTC boxes just recently, 34 were mappable using v1.1.6. I didn't get the details on those two boxes, but I would guess they are also factory glitches or packs could have moved in the box during shipment.
It looks like they are printing in Belgium again, so if anyone has any Belgium boxes, please post them. They are definitely different, but the packing order seems to be the same as the older Belgium sets.
For me, the fun is in the mapping so I map by hand. So I have a couple quick questions!
1. There are 4 track orders in the OP. Is this the case for GTC? I remember RTR only having 1 track order (I think it was A B D A B D D A A B C A C D C C B D C B D C).
2. In track D, there are some extra cards in parenthesis. Why are they in parenthesis? It seems there are also 9 more cards in track D than track C. Is that correct?
Thanks!!
Yes, it can be any one of those 4 track sequences, you'll figure it out as you open packs.
If you have opened any of those 25% rare packs, that just narrows down your options. If you want to take it to the next level, you can use a digital scale on all of the packs that say 25% rare and only open the heaviest.
Well, it all works based off which foils you got and which packs definitely didn't contain a foil.
I haven't yet programmed the connection from uncommon to rare yet. (this is to be done on the server end, so by the time you get the update, it'll probably be able to tell you which packs most likely contain rares based off just one uncommon opened)
It does make a connection between the rares and commons though. Open a common and it will show you where the rare could be.
Also, where it shows 50% common. If you have opened any of those 50% common packs and they didn't contain a foil, then it will narrow down the commons to 100%
The <uncommon> is definitely going to be an uncommon. We don't have that area of the uncommon track complete yet, otherwise it would say what it will be.
edit: Also, forgot to mention, basic foil lands can appear on the uncommon track too.
Only on GTC for now. RTR will be ready soon since it uses the same distribution pattern I just have to put all of the card information in.
The other sets will eventually follow.
Yes, the app currently handles all factory shifts. The only time you'll have problems now is if there are too many removals or packs moved in the box during shipment.
I'm going to eventually be adding some detection for packs moving. But in the meantime, let me know what you have.
The sleeve interface has changed, you can now enter sleeve data much faster.
The more foil data that gets entered into the program, the more accurate the results will be.
Android version is already in distribution, the iOS version should be hopefully soon. The nice thing is that the data gets processed by my server so updates to the foil cards happen immediately on both platforms.
I'm going to post the foil card lists here once they are completed and verified, along with all of the distribution information you might need so that anyone can map them.
Also once the data collection is complete I will hard code it into the app so it will no longer rely on internet access.
No, just pretend like those numbers aren't there. I'm going to make that a little more clear in the next version.
MID -241313524354
LEFT -524132441352
I've highlighted the two packs that you need to move. The bottom middle moves to the bottom right, the top right moves to the top middle. So it'll look like this:
RIGHT-241354113524
MID -524131352435
LEFT -524132441352
You had packs move around in the box. This is a very tricky one.
Take your bottom middle, slide it to the bottom right. Push everything up, take your extra pack now at the top right and slide it to the top middle.
Okay, it looks like this box is just fine. Aurelia's Fury should be in the r10 position, assuming we don't change track sequences.
Your missing a sleeve number from each column. There should be 12 packs per column.
Which rares have you opened already?
Try swapping the 2 and 3 that I have highlighted. See if that works.
Actually, if you just swap the 2 and 5 that I've highlighted in box 2, it should work.
Box 1 looks like it has 4 removals, which isn't too bad, you could probably just space them out.
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Actually, just space two of them out and you'll be fine. Like this:
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The two red packs are the empty spaces we've made. But you'll still put them in your sleeve map.
The two green packs are the extras we have left over after shifting everything.
I don't have too much time right now to get into all of the foil specifics for this one box, so maybe someone can assist in the meantime.
But I'd just like to point out that this is coming in v1.2 (I've actually been working on the foils most of the day today - in addition to making a quick fix to the card price lookup feature. (v1.1.9 - which was uploaded today fixes the card price lookup crash that occured on some devices)
In this next version, the foil tab is going to make suggestions as to where the commons/uncommon/rares are. But then use cloud processing to suggest where specific foil cards might be located. As we find out more information, it'll immediately be updated in the cloud. This will allow iOS users to get more immediate updates, until we've solidified the foil tracks enough to make them a permanent fixture.
The nice thing about the app handling all of this is that you don't have to worry about counting the pack removals or following the row shifting. It'll all be done automatically.
I looked at this one. It looks like the whole bottom row of that box (before any shifting happens) was completely wrong. Everything else lines up perfectly. So it looks like a factory glitch with those three packs.
I'm pretty sure we've got everything down 100%, it just comes down to the occasional factory hiccup. Anything with more than two pack removals will be a problem.
Someone reported back after opening 36 GTC boxes just recently, 34 were mappable using v1.1.6. I didn't get the details on those two boxes, but I would guess they are also factory glitches or packs could have moved in the box during shipment.
It looks like they are printing in Belgium again, so if anyone has any Belgium boxes, please post them. They are definitely different, but the packing order seems to be the same as the older Belgium sets.
Yes, it can be any one of those 4 track sequences, you'll figure it out as you open packs.
Just use my track lists, they are in post 3.